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Cardiff City Footballer Feared Missing after aircraft disappeared near Channel Island

Old 19th Mar 2019, 08:30
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I suspect that might be the opening gambit in the UK side of things. It was a German reporter that spoke to my colleague but apparently there is French and Italian interest as well. .
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Old 19th Mar 2019, 12:52
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Yes . Here is the list of flights which are being investigated by the Air Charter Association :-
  • 5 December 2018 - Flight from Stapleford in Essex to Nantes - carrying Cardiff City manager Neil Warnock, assistant manager Kevin Blackwell, Willie McKay and Mark McKay to see Emiliano Sala play against Marseilles
  • 6 December - party returns from Nantes to Cardiff. Both flights made on G-KARE, operated by Surrey-based Flexifly Aircraft Hire Ltd
  • 8 January 2019 - Flight from Cardiff to Nantes - carrying Neil Warnock, Cardiff City player liaison Callum Davies, Willie and Mark McKay to meet Sala and his agent. They're flown back to Cardiff the same day. On N531EA, owned by Guernsey-based Channel Jets
  • 14 January - Sala's agent, Meissa N'Diaye, flown from Paris to Nantes. N'Diaye and Sala are flown from Nantes to Cardiff to have a look around the Cardiff City Stadium, returning to Nantes the same day. N'Diaye is then flown back to Paris. All flights made on N843TE - owned by Channel Jets
  • 18 January - Sala flies from Nantes to Cardiff for a medical and to sign his contract with Cardiff City. Via Channel Jets in N531EA. Sala's agent N'Diaye - who has travelled to Cardiff for the signing via a commercial flight - flown back to Paris by Lord George Porchester in his own aircraft, N14EF
  • 19 January - Sala flown back to Nantes by David Ibbotson on N264DB to bid farewell to his Nantes team-mates and make personal arrangements. Mr Ibbotson books into a hotel to await the return leg of the journey - on 21 January - to deliver Sala back to Cardiff for his first training session
  • 21 January - the flight leaves Nantes at 19:15 and disappears from radar around an hour into the journey.
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Old 19th Mar 2019, 12:52
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I think we all know there are many unanswered questions regarding the crashed Malibu and if I was investigating Gamston airport would be top of my list.

That is where the aircraft was based and it appears operated by David Henderson who the agents claim was their regular pilot.

I suspect he was also involved in arranging flights for the McKays if we believe their press statements.

I will be very surprised if we don’t see a CAA prosecution further down the line.

Clearly many aircraft operators have been hiding behind N registration to operate in the grey zone.

Europe appears quite lax in allowing N reg aircraft to be home based without returning to the USA.

These aircraft are operating under what clearly is a flag of convenience.

Across Asia to Japan and down to Australia and New Zealand this is not permitted.






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Old 19th Mar 2019, 13:49
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Channel Jets AOC

Originally Posted by korrol View Post
Yes . Here is the list of flights which are being investigated by the Air Charter Association :-
  • 5 December 2018 - Flight from Stapleford in Essex to Nantes - carrying Cardiff City manager Neil Warnock, assistant manager Kevin Blackwell, Willie McKay and Mark McKay to see Emiliano Sala play against Marseilles
  • 6 December - party returns from Nantes to Cardiff. Both flights made on G-KARE, operated by Surrey-based Flexifly Aircraft Hire Ltd
  • 8 January 2019 - Flight from Cardiff to Nantes - carrying Neil Warnock, Cardiff City player liaison Callum Davies, Willie and Mark McKay to meet Sala and his agent. They're flown back to Cardiff the same day. On N531EA, owned by Guernsey-based Channel Jets
  • 14 January - Sala's agent, Meissa N'Diaye, flown from Paris to Nantes. N'Diaye and Sala are flown from Nantes to Cardiff to have a look around the Cardiff City Stadium, returning to Nantes the same day. N'Diaye is then flown back to Paris. All flights made on N843TE - owned by Channel Jets
  • 18 January - Sala flies from Nantes to Cardiff for a medical and to sign his contract with Cardiff City. Via Channel Jets in N531EA. Sala's agent N'Diaye - who has travelled to Cardiff for the signing via a commercial flight - flown back to Paris by Lord George Porchester in his own aircraft, N14EF
  • 19 January - Sala flown back to Nantes by David Ibbotson on N264DB to bid farewell to his Nantes team-mates and make personal arrangements. Mr Ibbotson books into a hotel to await the return leg of the journey - on 21 January - to deliver Sala back to Cardiff for his first training session
  • 21 January - the flight leaves Nantes at 19:15 and disappears from radar around an hour into the journey.
I don't understand why there is a problem with the Channel jets flights; they have a Guernsey AOC.
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Old 19th Mar 2019, 14:17
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Originally Posted by captainspeaking View Post
I don't understand why there is a problem with the Channel jets flights; they have a Guernsey AOC.
N registered aircraft do not fly on Guernsey, EASA or even Mongolian AOC's, and this one isn't even covered by FAA Part 135 operation, therefore there is a problem with it operating for charter. The difference is between management of an aircraft and it being on an AOC. Where I work we have and AOC and manage aircraft on it, we also manage on behalf of owners aircraft both UK and foreign registered that are flown purely for the use of the owners. A couple of times we've found things arranged by the owners we've found either iffy, or just plane wrong. A brief chat with the owner along the lines of "you are risking our AOC, and our crew, please stop, or take your aircraft elsewhere" usually works, but I have gone as far as reporting an owner to the CAA and the authority in the state of registration.

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Old 19th Mar 2019, 14:21
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I assume the list is just a comprehensive coverage of all Sala-related flights. What emerges from under those stones may offer insight into all the related issues.
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Old 19th Mar 2019, 14:47
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If as has been suggested this has been raised and re-raised over a 7 year period what is so easy to investigate now that proved so difficult to get on top of before??
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Old 19th Mar 2019, 15:06
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Question

The football "transfer window" may be closed, but business trips surely still have to be arranged as managers and football club scouts travel to watch potential transfer targets. After all the attention Cardiff City F.C. has attracted, one wonders how its manager and associated agents arrange their flights.
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Old 19th Mar 2019, 20:22
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Both planes were registered in America, which means they cannot be flown commercially

From report on BBC website referring to a/c used on some of the flights listed:
'Both planes were registered in America, which means they cannot be flown commercially in Europe without the express permission of US regulator, the Federal Aviation Authority, and the CAA.

The flights were listed on flight plans, as non-commercial.

BBC Wales has discovered that eight days after the plane carrying Sala crashed, one of these planes was de-registered in the US and re-registered as a Guernsey-based plane.

It was then placed on the company's AOC.'
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Old 19th Mar 2019, 20:32
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oops!

No surprise here, I suppose. The plot thickens nicely.

Now it needs the authorities to devote the time, energy and manpower to follow up this ... and all the other cases.
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Old 19th Mar 2019, 21:42
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Originally Posted by parabatix View Post
From report on BBC website referring to a/c used on some of the flights listed:
'Both planes were registered in America, which means they cannot be flown commercially in Europe without the express permission of US regulator, the Federal Aviation Authority, and the CAA.

The flights were listed on flight plans, as non-commercial.

BBC Wales has discovered that eight days after the plane carrying Sala crashed, one of these planes was de-registered in the US and re-registered as a Guernsey-based plane.

It was then placed on the company's AOC.'
The aircraft concerned - Eclipse EA500 N531EA became 2-JEZA.
An attempt to cover the traces??
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Old 20th Mar 2019, 03:28
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The aircraft concerned - Eclipse EA500 N531EA became 2-JEZA.
An attempt to cover the traces??
Plenty of N Reg aircraft photos on Channel Jets website so presumably OK to offer for charter?.
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Old 20th Mar 2019, 06:42
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No, as mentioned in an earlier post, not OK for a US-registered aircraft to operate commercially under a Guernsey AOC, or at all if it is Part-91

Also, as Channel Jets is a Guernsey AOC, and Guernsey is non-UK and non-EU, they can't operate even a 2-REG aircraft commercially to/from UK or EU without a permit from the Authorities at both ends (e.g. a flight from France to UK would need a permit from both France and the UK)
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Old 20th Mar 2019, 10:15
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Originally Posted by Gurnard View Post
The aircraft concerned - Eclipse EA500 N531EA became 2-JEZA.
An attempt to cover the traces??
I was wondering where that AC went. It was a busy little bird, flying daily even through the middle of winter. And then suddenly dropped off of flight radar after the accident. That explains it.
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Old 20th Mar 2019, 10:30
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Originally Posted by korrol View Post
Yes . Here is the list of flights which are being investigated by the Air Charter Association :-
  • 5 December 2018 - Flight from Stapleford in Essex to Nantes - carrying Cardiff City manager Neil Warnock, assistant manager Kevin Blackwell, Willie McKay and Mark McKay to see Emiliano Sala play against Marseilles
  • 6 December - party returns from Nantes to Cardiff. Both flights made on G-KARE, operated by Surrey-based Flexifly Aircraft Hire Ltd
  • 8 January 2019 - Flight from Cardiff to Nantes - carrying Neil Warnock, Cardiff City player liaison Callum Davies, Willie and Mark McKay to meet Sala and his agent. They're flown back to Cardiff the same day. On N531EA, owned by Guernsey-based Channel Jets
  • 14 January - Sala's agent, Meissa N'Diaye, flown from Paris to Nantes. N'Diaye and Sala are flown from Nantes to Cardiff to have a look around the Cardiff City Stadium, returning to Nantes the same day. N'Diaye is then flown back to Paris. All flights made on N843TE - owned by Channel Jets
  • 18 January - Sala flies from Nantes to Cardiff for a medical and to sign his contract with Cardiff City. Via Channel Jets in N531EA. Sala's agent N'Diaye - who has travelled to Cardiff for the signing via a commercial flight - flown back to Paris by Lord George Porchester in his own aircraft, N14EF
  • 19 January - Sala flown back to Nantes by David Ibbotson on N264DB to bid farewell to his Nantes team-mates and make personal arrangements. Mr Ibbotson books into a hotel to await the return leg of the journey - on 21 January - to deliver Sala back to Cardiff for his first training session
  • 21 January - the flight leaves Nantes at 19:15 and disappears from radar around an hour into the journey.
I'm sure that they are aware already. But just a reminder that cost sharing is not legal on complex aircraft as per EASA regs.
So therefore, no cost sharing on any of the jets listed here.
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Old 21st Mar 2019, 09:03
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Complex aircraft?

PA46 and PC12 are not complex aircraft.

The term ‘complex motor-powered aircraft’ is defined in Regulation (EC) No 216/2008 as follows:

“‘complex motor-powered aircraft’ shall mean:

(i) an aeroplane:
  • with a maximum certificated take-off mass exceeding 5700 kg, or
  • certificated for a maximum passenger seating configuration of more than nineteen, or
  • certificated for operation with a minimum crew of at least two pilots, or
  • equipped with (a) turbojet engine(s) or more than one turboprop engine, or
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Old 21st Mar 2019, 12:19
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FAA rules are wobbly prop, wobbly gear and flaps. It's a tad more detailed than that (!) but them's the basics.

So a Piper Arrow is complex.
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Old 21st Mar 2019, 16:21
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Australia follows the same rules Sam.

Retractable undercarriage and variable pitch prop ratings seem logical to me.
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Old 21st Mar 2019, 16:28
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BTW EASA is an Agency; FAA is an Administration and CAA is an Authority.

Sad I know but I thought I'd mention it
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Old 21st Mar 2019, 16:38
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With regard to the Cardiff City incident this story gets more bizzare by the day.

This from the Guardian.

Willie McKay, who is no longer registered as a football agent but helped his son Mark complete the ill-fated Sala transfer, has been the subject of an investigation by South Wales police over claims he threatened to kill staff at the Premier League club in a dispute about who is liable for damages following the death of Sala in a plane crash
In a brief statement the Welsh force said the investigation “has been transferred to the Metropolitan police service”.

It is understood at least one of the alleged threats has been claimed to have occurred in London and that was confirmed in a statement from the Metropolitan police on Thursday.

“We] have received an allegation of a possible public order offence that took place at Kendall Street, W2 on Friday 22 February,” a spokesperson said. “Officers from central area command unit are investigating. No arrests have been made at this time.”

Kendall Street is in an upmarket part of London north of Hyde Park and 22 February was six days after Sala’s funeral in Argentina.
https://www.theguardian.com/football...f-staff-claims

Apart from the ill fated Malibu another N reg Malibu was also involved in the saga.

After Sala had signed up to play for Cardiff City, his agent Mr N'Diaye was flown back to Nantes on 18 January by Lord George Porchester, who flies his own Piper Malibu plane under the company name Altaclara.

The son of the Earl of Caernarfon, whose family seat is used as a filming location for TV's Downton Abbey, he holds a private pilot's licence.

As the plane is registered in the US, it cannot be flown commercially in Europe and Lord Porchester can only fly passengers in the EU on a cost-sharing basis, not for reward.

Lord Porchester has told BBC Wales he flew Mr N'Diaye as a "favour" for Willie McKay and did not receive any payment for the flight.

"I've got my own aircraft and I flew that flight," he said. "There was no financial arrangement at all with anyone, it was a private flight."

He added: "I've been pulled into this because I've done someone a favour."
The BBC Wales website also has the following facts.

  • 18 January - Sala flies from Nantes to Cardiff for a medical and to sign his contract with Cardiff City. Via Channel Jets in N531EA. Sala's agent Mr N'Diaye - who has travelled to Cardiff for the signing via a commercial flight - flown back to Paris by Lord George Porchester in his own aircraft, N14EF
  • 19 January - Sala flown back to Nantes by David Ibbotson on N264DB to bid farewell to his Nantes team-mates and make personal arrangements. Mr Ibbotson books into a hotel to await the return leg of the journey - on 21 January - to deliver Sala back to Cardiff for his first training session
  • 21 January - The flight leaves Nantes at 19:15 and disappears from radar around an hour into the journey.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-wales-47626855

N14EF is registered in Wilmington Deleware to Altaclara Aviation.

The same company with Lord Porchester at the helm is registered in the UK.
Their company description contains the following;

Renting and leasing of air passenger transport equipment
See https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/c...05530/officers
















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