Light Aircraft Down near Abergavenny
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I believe the mentioned instructor from Brize is no longer flying. Last I saw that aircraft was at Coventry with the company that operates from Dak House, who's name escapes me.
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Eaglescout did post. I read his/her post. It was along the lines that echo alpha was bounced off with 2 stages of flap at the end of the take off roll, [common short field procedure] climbed over the trees at near stall. He/she went on to mention something about the ailerons, which implied it to be a contributory factor to cause the crash. 
One notch of flap is OK but I have never used two. As I said earlier on any grass strip less than 800 metres in a PA28 with passengers the calculator is your best friend.
Anyone care to do the sums on this one?
Anyone care to do the sums on this one?
Jay Sata:
Just out of interest, I owned a PA-26-161 for 7 years and I ALWAYS used two notches of flap when taking off from grass (regardless of the length of the strip).
Just out of interest, I owned a PA-26-161 for 7 years and I ALWAYS used two notches of flap when taking off from grass (regardless of the length of the strip).
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I hadn't heard of this one until the AAIB report came out today:
Air accident monthly bulletin November 2016
(you have to download the whole bulletin to get the report).
The aircraft crashed on the A40 dual carriageway – the runway is right beside it. Luckily nobody on the road was involved. I wonder what would have been the consequences for the airfield if this crash had caused a multi-vehicle pile-up, as with the Hunter at Shoreham?
Air accident monthly bulletin November 2016
(you have to download the whole bulletin to get the report).
The aircraft crashed on the A40 dual carriageway – the runway is right beside it. Luckily nobody on the road was involved. I wonder what would have been the consequences for the airfield if this crash had caused a multi-vehicle pile-up, as with the Hunter at Shoreham?
Two observations (no axe to grind).
The need to conduct flight training at licenced airfields was rescinded a few years ago. However the non licenced airfield must be risk assessed as to its suitability for training - I wonder if this was carried out?
The carriage of passengers( other than trainees observing) seems to be exposing them to unesscessary risk.
The outcome and consequences could have been much worse for both the aeroplane's occupants and innocent people driving on the road.
The need to conduct flight training at licenced airfields was rescinded a few years ago. However the non licenced airfield must be risk assessed as to its suitability for training - I wonder if this was carried out?
The carriage of passengers( other than trainees observing) seems to be exposing them to unesscessary risk.
The outcome and consequences could have been much worse for both the aeroplane's occupants and innocent people driving on the road.
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I flew into Abergavenny from HG last October in my C150. The landing was uneventful but but the take off was a bit awry, with two of us, half fuel, and the C150's low powered 0-200 100hp engine struggling, we were well passed the halfway stage before rotation. There is quite a noticeable up-slope (or down-slope depending on which runway is in use). Sugar Loaf looms in the proximity and is a good reference point (as long as you don't fly into it)
I wouldn't care to try going in with my PA28 unless the strip was dry and rock solid. The guy who owns the strip is a really friendly chap (a farmer I think) and has a nice collection of aircraft based there.
I wouldn't care to try going in with my PA28 unless the strip was dry and rock solid. The guy who owns the strip is a really friendly chap (a farmer I think) and has a nice collection of aircraft based there.
