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Old 14th Sep 2017, 17:54   #41 (permalink)
 
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I wonder how's the 10k bonus thing going on..

Well nevertheless Ryanair will do whatever they can to continue the same story with the cost of employees health and money. At least some happy news today from ECA;

"Ryanair’s Irish fiction refuted by European Court of Justice.

"This ruling puts the convenient fantasy that aircraft registered in Ireland are somehow an airline's own ‘private kingdom’, to the flame”, says ECA Vice-President Jon Horne.

“This argument has been wrongly used to deny mobile workers all over Europe their fundamental rights and made them feel like subjects, not employees. The Court not only clearly states that a worker's home base is their place of employment, but – in addition – that it is the real home base that matters, not an invention by some crafty employers."
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Old 14th Sep 2017, 18:02   #42 (permalink)
 
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This is why we can't have nice things.
I'm not sure I understand why Ryanair is stopping you having nice things, but if it's a different type of flight you are after then turn up at your preferred airport and await the private jet you could charter. Nice as you like if you've got the money.

My comment certainly stirred up a bit of a hornets' nest it would appear.

However, it seems to me that flying has become a thing of, and for, the masses and as a consequence market forces will drive payscales like most other private-sector places.

Perhaps a corner will be turned soon.

I would applaud the flight deck person who came on the PA and said "We've all got crap wages so would you all please put £10 in the hat as it goes round and I will ensure it gets shared fairly amongst us".

I'm sure if the airlines find staffing a problem (reduced profiyability) things might improve.
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Old 14th Sep 2017, 18:21   #43 (permalink)
 
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Why? care to expand on your comment?
The rumour is they intend to launch a direct entry command upgrade program for experienced FOs
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Old 14th Sep 2017, 18:28   #44 (permalink)
 
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I think there's a more reasonable option between "chartering a private jet" and the FR model of "screwing as much as we can get out of our crews". A few quid (literally single digit numbers) on the ticket price would more than cover adequate Ts & Cs and probably leave enough over for a few bottles of fizz at the CEOs Christmas party.

But that's the issue with the world isn't it? At some point in the last 20 or so years, certainly in my lifetime, we went from "a rising tide lifts all boats" to a "I want as much as I can, for as little as possible".

Like I said, that's why we can't have nice things.
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Old 14th Sep 2017, 18:56   #45 (permalink)
 
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If you want to work for Ryanair work for them, if you don't, then don't.

I don't get all the MOL bashing. He runs a VERY successful business with a business model that delivers.
My only criticism is there seem to be no 'family values' as part of the strategy, but that is their choice.

I know that's controversial, but that is modern transport - it's about moving people cheaply.
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Old 14th Sep 2017, 19:19   #46 (permalink)
 
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Because you don't get it does not mean others don't. Who started the race to the bottom on this side of the Atlantic ? With a strategy that is aimed at eliminating opposition by whatever means and a CEO who openly casts doubt on the ability of others to survive for no other reason than to further damage those operations, it is very reasonable to develop a bit of a dislike of the man. And when the strategy has succeeded what price cheap seats then ?
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Old 14th Sep 2017, 21:26   #47 (permalink)
 
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My comment certainly stirred up a bit of a hornets' nest it would appear.
Comes on a professional pilot forum with heavy European focus and wonders why those who are directly subsidising her flights, and those indirectly affected, aren't equally enthused. Genius.

Tone deaf.

Is there an online forum where some anonymity is traded for members submitting CP/ATP licence details to gain access?
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Old 15th Sep 2017, 07:15   #48 (permalink)
 
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Dozens of cancellations for today and tomorrow as well.

https://www.cloud.scorebuddy.co.uk/r...ate=2017-09-15

It seems that sh*t is starting to hit the fan down in FR
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Old 15th Sep 2017, 07:21   #49 (permalink)
 
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Only 80 flights cancelled today,

And another 80 so far tomorrow.

MOL must be going absolutely apoplectic over this. Oh to be a fly on the wall.

How much to cancel a flight? 30-50k at least? He just doesnt get it.....offer a day off payment to contractors and increase the payment for ryanair staff and maybe people will work a day off. Then address the fact why 100s are leaving.

For such a so called clever bright man, has he heard the phrase you "reap what you sow" before?
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Old 15th Sep 2017, 07:36   #50 (permalink)
 
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Seems like BA, Midland, Easy all cancelled flights due to ATC strike, why do you assume FR is due to crew shortages?
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Old 15th Sep 2017, 07:45   #51 (permalink)
 
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Seems like BA, Midland, Easy all cancelled flights due to ATC strike, why do you assume FR is due to crew shortages?
I didnt realise the stn-edi routes passed tgrough france. The french strike is a blessing in disguise
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Old 15th Sep 2017, 07:48   #52 (permalink)


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Because the strikes finished two days ago.
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Old 15th Sep 2017, 07:55   #53 (permalink)
 
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These flights are for today, the French aren't on strike today.

I suspect that most wouldn't be able to work a day off as most won't have the hours available to do so.
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Old 15th Sep 2017, 08:29   #54 (permalink)
 
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As I said, they have access to a lot of crew, simply call those FO's back who were command ready and put them straight on the command course, most would jump at the chance.
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Old 15th Sep 2017, 08:34   #55 (permalink)
 
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the French aren't on strike today
and haven't been for a few days, so I'm not sure why some posters are using the present tense.

It was a "one dayer", kicked in late Monday night, finished around Midnight Tuesday. At least one other airline operated full services into, out of and over France from Wednesday onwards and I flew into a French airport on Wednesday night.......so no, any FR cancellations today are not down to French ATC being on strike.

Mind you just so MOL and others can get their excuses in early they might want to be aware there is another "day of action" next Thursday...not sure of the level of ATC involvement.
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Old 15th Sep 2017, 08:38   #56 (permalink)
 
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"Ryanair’s Irish fiction refuted by European Court of Justice.

GS Capture: please supply a link. The next question: is this ruling binding and if so, what are the authorities going to do about enforcing it? And what recompense and other refunds can the victims claim back? If they have incurred expenses which should have been at the employer's cost then surely they should be refundable. There is also a question about lost 'are time' or time off. The commuters were on duty positioning in their own time and so were not operating according to a correct contact.
Will this can or worms ever be opened?
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Old 15th Sep 2017, 09:25   #57 (permalink)
 
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RYR only need to hang on until the clocks change and then enjoy another 6 month respite before the next season starts.
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Old 15th Sep 2017, 09:48   #58 (permalink)
 
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Having spoken to a few FR guys the 100hr/28 days bit is hurting. With delays etc... one commented that the 60 hrs/7 days was not enabling working days off or swaps. The roster apparently shows standby cover but crew auctually unable to be called due hours. Throw in a few standard sickness, technicals and all is in a bit of a pickle. Crew control not answering calls. One guy said most of his base are refusing days off as the very long days with min rest between is proving a bit punishing. Guys gasping for their months off which are about to start again. Only rumours off course.....
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Old 15th Sep 2017, 10:50   #59 (permalink)
 
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As I said, they have access to a lot of crew, simply call those FO's back who were command ready and put them straight on the command course, most would jump at the chance.
I wouldn't be so sure about that. Anybody that I know that has left Ryanair has never looked back. The place is toxic.

Southwest can have a profitable Airline and a happy workforce that see the job as a career....why can't O'Leary?

I seriously think they underestimate how much of a problem this will be for them.
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Old 15th Sep 2017, 11:26   #60 (permalink)
 
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They are totally feckless. Let's not forget for the last few months they have been flying in cabin crew from dub each morning as they are short on that front as well.

I do feel sorry for the people on the phones in crewing, the bosses have ballsed up, and they along with rest of staff are having to work hard. (Oh that is probably why have of crewing have also resigned in last month!!)
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