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Yes, perhaps you won't divulge it but maybe others will! Pilots are a curious bunch!
Anyway my money is on Tui Belgium / Sunwing. Tui Belgium have a few 737s arrive this summer, factfile on their website, your recruitment numbers tie with their net fleet increase. I can only see it as a UK domicile with arrangements in place to commute for taxation/social security savings, given the rumour that the new owner appears to be a MOL fanboy.
Anyway my money is on Tui Belgium / Sunwing. Tui Belgium have a few 737s arrive this summer, factfile on their website, your recruitment numbers tie with their net fleet increase. I can only see it as a UK domicile with arrangements in place to commute for taxation/social security savings, given the rumour that the new owner appears to be a MOL fanboy.
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If they choose to divugle it then so be it !
However my boss is also my partner so I would get more than a slap on the wrist if I let it slip !
I really wish people would be more positive on here though. Its the first positive news for a while on the low hour scene and especially with them paying for the TR.
It is also highly frustrating, a few have been so negative on here rather than actually thinking there are still some good guys around yet if Susi air are taking on in the a** end of indonesia or Ryanair want you to pay £25k+ everyone thinks nothing of It.
This industry has become so so wrong! Everyone expects
so when something brilliant comes along it is automically a scam !
However my boss is also my partner so I would get more than a slap on the wrist if I let it slip !
I really wish people would be more positive on here though. Its the first positive news for a while on the low hour scene and especially with them paying for the TR.
It is also highly frustrating, a few have been so negative on here rather than actually thinking there are still some good guys around yet if Susi air are taking on in the a** end of indonesia or Ryanair want you to pay £25k+ everyone thinks nothing of It.
This industry has become so so wrong! Everyone expects
so when something brilliant comes along it is automically a scam !
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Yeah,I applied too,wasn't one of the 44 lucky ones...at least I tried.It was a good opportunity,let's hope there are more like that on their way as it is a good sign.Good job CandM 
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A supposed agency comes on PPRuNe, with an aggressive few postings, using bad language and bad grammar - not even close to professional conduct, ever seen any of the major pilot agencies comment on here and in such in manner?
That childish comment alone should bring on the warning bells! Which simply cannot be true...
And yet 44 people still haven't come forward onto PPRuNe and said they were successful, I don't think that's ever happened before! Considering the advert alone generated 4 pages!
Be careful guys - this is not professional or realistic, the Mods on this site are awesome at noticing these things and I hope someone is following this up to uncover this scam...
Although you may think your username protects you and makes you anonymous, people do tell us who you are !
And yet 44 people still haven't come forward onto PPRuNe and said they were successful, I don't think that's ever happened before! Considering the advert alone generated 4 pages!
Be careful guys - this is not professional or realistic, the Mods on this site are awesome at noticing these things and I hope someone is following this up to uncover this scam...
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Guys.
I agree with what has been said. Give the agency a break. It is good news that may draw some movement. It's sound all real from the start. Trust me on that one.
Ps will unsuccessful candidates be notified?
I agree with what has been said. Give the agency a break. It is good news that may draw some movement. It's sound all real from the start. Trust me on that one.
Ps will unsuccessful candidates be notified?
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I agree with C & M.
It's quite evident that there are “pilots” on here that make unfounded comments that are untrue, quite unfair and unnecessarily offensive. If one is to target an individual or group based on bogus information for a sustained period it’s rational you could get “feedback”.
No comments were childish. Not all, but the majority here use pseudonyms. This does protect your identity. Otherwise the comments made would not be ill-informed, quite so abrasive or indeed rude, as you would be directly connected and identified.
You do not have the facts to say it is a scam. To base judgment on writing style or grammar is laughable. That’s childish.
If people listen to “other people” and avoid opportunities because you think they’re “scams”, those individuals will never gain employment.
I say go for everything. Don’t listen to the naysayers. Send out your emails. Wait for replies. Then make up your own mind. Lots of guys are looking for their first job. C&M have responded.
It’s authentic.
It's quite evident that there are “pilots” on here that make unfounded comments that are untrue, quite unfair and unnecessarily offensive. If one is to target an individual or group based on bogus information for a sustained period it’s rational you could get “feedback”.
No comments were childish. Not all, but the majority here use pseudonyms. This does protect your identity. Otherwise the comments made would not be ill-informed, quite so abrasive or indeed rude, as you would be directly connected and identified.
You do not have the facts to say it is a scam. To base judgment on writing style or grammar is laughable. That’s childish.
If people listen to “other people” and avoid opportunities because you think they’re “scams”, those individuals will never gain employment.
I say go for everything. Don’t listen to the naysayers. Send out your emails. Wait for replies. Then make up your own mind. Lots of guys are looking for their first job. C&M have responded.
It’s authentic.
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C & M, it is a perfectly reasonable assumption to make that this is less than legit given the unusual circumstances shrouded in utter secrecy. If it is legit, then what would bother you in the slightest about people commenting on a public forum to the contrary when, presumably, the candidates concerned who have been "successful" now have all the information from you to make up their minds accordingly?
Coming on here with a rant about unprofessionalism coupled with veiled threats and bad language does nothing to indicate any professionalism on your part. As you have seen above, this only adds to the skepticism. I can just imagine the interview now "can you give an example of a time in your life when you have had to deal with conflict?" then "can you identify who RexBanner is on pprune?"
Coming on here with a rant about unprofessionalism coupled with veiled threats and bad language does nothing to indicate any professionalism on your part. As you have seen above, this only adds to the skepticism. I can just imagine the interview now "can you give an example of a time in your life when you have had to deal with conflict?" then "can you identify who RexBanner is on pprune?"
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Did I miss something? an earlier post by C+M suggested 16 Vacancies, but we seem to have 52 successful applicants? why? Perhaps the 52 will be asked to pay a "sim evaluation fee" if so, don't go!
On another matter, of course airlines use agencies.. most of the new THY guys are from agencies, perhaps not in Botswana!
On another matter, of course airlines use agencies.. most of the new THY guys are from agencies, perhaps not in Botswana!
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If the comments are actionable and there is legitimacy behind this then the natural thing for a reputable company with its practices called into question to do would be to draw the attention of the mods (who already probably have an eye on it) to remove the "libellous" content. Since this has not been done in close to a month now, this kind of tells its own story.
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IF the planned recipient of these candidates is Sunwing then I would be interested to know how either Sunwing or the agency, depending on who is actually going to employ them plan to get foreign pilots the necessary permits to work in Canada? Sunpac, the Canadian union is running a very effective campaign to veto the use of foreign pilots.
Assuming that bit works out, I would also be intrigued to know how these guys will fit into a UK operation? Given that SWG is part of TUI and the only UK part of TUI is TOM, here are a few potentials for you:
SWG pilots are heavily in dispute with their management right now over a whole raft of issues. I suspect this is management trying to bypass the union. TOM has a reciprocal agreement with SWG whereby a number of TOM pilots operate in Canada over their busy winter and a number of SWG pilots operate in the UK over the UK busy summer. The number is matched.
TOM management would dearly love to have contract pilots do this work in summer. That is not going to happen again. If SWG think they are going to recruit contract pilots and then offload them to the UK in numbers in excess of what TOM send to Canada in the winter they are VERY badly mistaken. If TOM management think they will be able to do that they are equally VERY badly mistaken. To be absolutely honest, I don't think TOM have any hand in this at all and if they even know about it, I'd be somewhat interested because the position has been made very clear regarding external pilots doing TOM flying, as have the implications of trying to do it.
If these guys are not contract but permanent employees then the matched numbers argument still stands. SWG could well find themselves over borne in the quiet summer because TOM will not be accepting any more SWG lines of flying than the reciprocal agreement. There may be some flex in that on the back of the 787 debacle but that is a) another story and b) exceptional circumstances.
Finally, I'm really quite confused as to why a chap who professes to be in the TOM hold pool would be involved in a process that, given recently past management form, has the potential to directly affect adversely how long he spends in that pool?
Assuming that bit works out, I would also be intrigued to know how these guys will fit into a UK operation? Given that SWG is part of TUI and the only UK part of TUI is TOM, here are a few potentials for you:
SWG pilots are heavily in dispute with their management right now over a whole raft of issues. I suspect this is management trying to bypass the union. TOM has a reciprocal agreement with SWG whereby a number of TOM pilots operate in Canada over their busy winter and a number of SWG pilots operate in the UK over the UK busy summer. The number is matched.
TOM management would dearly love to have contract pilots do this work in summer. That is not going to happen again. If SWG think they are going to recruit contract pilots and then offload them to the UK in numbers in excess of what TOM send to Canada in the winter they are VERY badly mistaken. If TOM management think they will be able to do that they are equally VERY badly mistaken. To be absolutely honest, I don't think TOM have any hand in this at all and if they even know about it, I'd be somewhat interested because the position has been made very clear regarding external pilots doing TOM flying, as have the implications of trying to do it.
If these guys are not contract but permanent employees then the matched numbers argument still stands. SWG could well find themselves over borne in the quiet summer because TOM will not be accepting any more SWG lines of flying than the reciprocal agreement. There may be some flex in that on the back of the 787 debacle but that is a) another story and b) exceptional circumstances.
Finally, I'm really quite confused as to why a chap who professes to be in the TOM hold pool would be involved in a process that, given recently past management form, has the potential to directly affect adversely how long he spends in that pool?
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Hi
Guys and Girls,
Most of this is completely uncalled for. I really can't see why people come out with such malicious and shocking comments.
I am not going to put other agencies down but we do a hell of a lot more for our candidates than most and having been in completely same situation as most of you during the recession I personally along with my colleagues really try to help the low hour bunch as well as experienced.
Nobody will be charged any simulator fees or anything at all. 52 have been successful at this stage to go to interview etc. But obviously there will be further cuts from evaluation tests and sim checks.
If we can help with your CV, We will. If we hear any info of positions outside of our clients, We will let you know. We do not ask for any moneys at all from our candidates at any stage as we collect our fee from the operator. We are even currently looking at purchasing a 737 FBPT for our candidates to use before going to interview, Which will be free of charge. So how some of you can post rediculous comments on here is shocking.
We have not reported anything to the moderators as your all free to say whatever you like. We live in a democracy so freedom of speech is paramount.
Anyway, This will be our last post on here as investing time in our candidates is much more important that spending time on here replying to malicious and damaging rumours.
Most of this is completely uncalled for. I really can't see why people come out with such malicious and shocking comments.
I am not going to put other agencies down but we do a hell of a lot more for our candidates than most and having been in completely same situation as most of you during the recession I personally along with my colleagues really try to help the low hour bunch as well as experienced.
Nobody will be charged any simulator fees or anything at all. 52 have been successful at this stage to go to interview etc. But obviously there will be further cuts from evaluation tests and sim checks.
If we can help with your CV, We will. If we hear any info of positions outside of our clients, We will let you know. We do not ask for any moneys at all from our candidates at any stage as we collect our fee from the operator. We are even currently looking at purchasing a 737 FBPT for our candidates to use before going to interview, Which will be free of charge. So how some of you can post rediculous comments on here is shocking.
We have not reported anything to the moderators as your all free to say whatever you like. We live in a democracy so freedom of speech is paramount.
Anyway, This will be our last post on here as investing time in our candidates is much more important that spending time on here replying to malicious and damaging rumours.
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Hi Carl,
I just want to kindly ask if those 52 succesful guys are all for the Low Hours advertisement or include those for the Experienced one as well (I applied for the experienced).
Thank you for your help.
I just want to kindly ask if those 52 succesful guys are all for the Low Hours advertisement or include those for the Experienced one as well (I applied for the experienced).
Thank you for your help.
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Downright un-professional
Wow - I'm amazed at how un-professional this outfit (C&M) are.
Let the 'lucky' (?) 52 hope that their selection is done with more professionalism.
If this 'spokesman' for C&M worked for me I'd have shown him the door right about the same time he posted his rants for the first time. Clearly clueless to the consequences for C&M if (when ?) the airline get wind of his outbursts
How arrogant to think that, just because you are able to offer jobs on behalf of an Airline that you don't even work for you are qualified to talk to professional pilots, whatever their experience, the way you have.
Let the 'lucky' (?) 52 hope that their selection is done with more professionalism.
If this 'spokesman' for C&M worked for me I'd have shown him the door right about the same time he posted his rants for the first time. Clearly clueless to the consequences for C&M if (when ?) the airline get wind of his outbursts
How arrogant to think that, just because you are able to offer jobs on behalf of an Airline that you don't even work for you are qualified to talk to professional pilots, whatever their experience, the way you have.