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Old 10th Feb 2010, 04:48   #1 (permalink)
 
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Vietnam Airlines. Rishworth or Parc Aviation?

Hi! That's basically the question, I'm thinking of applying. Some people told me that the Parc package is better but I don't see why.
Any advice from some of the guys that are in VA trough any of the brokers?

Maaaaaany thanks!
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Old 10th Feb 2010, 06:20   #2 (permalink)
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Virtually the same in my opinion, money arrives on time from both, insurance is very similar. DPI is not in the same boat.
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Old 10th Feb 2010, 08:34   #3 (permalink)
 
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Many thanks? What's DPI?
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Old 10th Feb 2010, 08:43   #4 (permalink)
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There are actually four contract agencies here, Parc, Rishworth Aviation, Direct Personnel, and Euro-Pacific. RAL and Parc having the most crews here.
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Old 11th Feb 2010, 04:45   #5 (permalink)
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what's wrong with DPI? I know they are new in game in VA but thought they were reputable company?
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Old 11th Feb 2010, 04:53   #6 (permalink)
 
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Stay Away From Rishworth!!!!!!!!

I have been here at Vietnam Airlines for over a year. Half the pilots I started with were Parc, half were Rishworth. DPI is a newcomer here so I don't have much info.
What I can tell you is STAY AWAY FROM RISHWORTH. This was my first contract, and I didn't know any better. Rishworth has a very well deserved horrible reputation in the contract world. Some experienced contract pilots told me that as soon as I got here, and I found out why.
They are lying scumbags that provide you with little to no service on contract. I watched Parc guys have a few problems, and the next day the problem is solved. we emaii Rishworth with a problem, and it takes them 4-7 days just to return the email, let alone do anything. Rishworth just unilaterally cut our pay, without our consent or signing a new contract.
FWIW, the 320 flying here is easy, and the schedules aren't bad. My average duty day is 7 hours long. 1-2 days a week it is as short as 4. Good job. Challenging place to live, and I have been all over Asia.
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Old 11th Feb 2010, 07:05   #7 (permalink)
 
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Many thanks! Quite straight answer! I'll stick to Parc then...
How many hours you fly per month apx? Many early mornings and double sectors?
Thanks again!
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Old 11th Feb 2010, 10:36   #8 (permalink)
 
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320 pilots have averaged about 3 sectors a day since i got here over a year ago. A mix of 2, 3, and 4 sector days with 1 hour on the ground. Expats do the short haul flying so the locals can run an import-export business out of their suitcase. Average sector length is 1 hour. Maybe twice a month you'll fly over 2 hours on a flight. A lot of flights are 25-45 minutes
Hours, since I got here I've averaged 80 hours a month on a full month. Sometimes a bit more, sometimes a bit less. Not real consistent actually.
They don't pay overtime, so you don't want to fly more. No layovers other than Hanoi. You average 2 nights a week in Hanoi.

Cultural problems at work? Yeah, but from what I read about Chinese and Korean jobs, it might be better here. Actually I have no complaints about the job itself. It is tough to live here in Saigon, although the same can be said of a lot of polluted overcrowded asian cities.

My biggest problem here was Rishworth. There are no repeat customers here for Rishworth. NONE. I have heard a few Parc guys say they won't fly a contract unless they are represented by Parc. I get emails from Parc about issues at Vietnam Airlines and it is night and day between them and Rishworth.

Contract wise I don'l think this would be a great one to move your family to. Schools are expensive and not subsidized by the airline, and wives don't do real well either.

If you are single, it is Disneyland.
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Old 11th Feb 2010, 20:31   #9 (permalink)
 
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Any interviews any time soon on A330 FO contracts?
What is the pass rate on for the sim screening.

thank you very much in advance.
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Old 12th Feb 2010, 02:58   #10 (permalink)
 
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Hands Down...Go with PARC!
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Old 12th Feb 2010, 03:43   #11 (permalink)
 
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Thanks again for that acurate info! I'm getting my ATPL next month, hopefully the hiring will last a while. Good flights!
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Old 12th Feb 2010, 07:12   #12 (permalink)
 
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Maybe we need to have a look at the other 60 some pages about Vietnam Airlines that exist within this zip-code (pprune). Parc and RAL don't seem to be providing too many new pilots to VNA these days. It would appear that only Direct Personnel folks are getting in. Sure, it's political, but that's just how is goes sometimes.

Whilst it is generally agreed that Parc is the best choice, if you really want to join VNA, you may need to consider DP as the most likely immediate option.
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Old 12th Feb 2010, 07:18   #13 (permalink)
 
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locals can run an import-export business out of their suitcase
Say it isn't so!


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Cultural problems at work?
Really! What problems?

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It is tough to live here in Saigon
You're joking, right?


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It's DisneyNam regardless of whether you're single or married.


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I have a question. Why would you take a Sandwich to a Buffet?
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Old 13th Feb 2010, 04:51   #14 (permalink)
 
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Some fine points.

Rishworth charges you 20 to 25 USD for your monthly salary wire transfer. Parc does not. Both are on time or early with your pay. Parc always by the 25th of the month. While BUPA Gold has had a few changes through Parc. They always paid for my stuff timely even for procedures in the US. I had 100%, no co-pay or deductable world wide. Don't know that much about Rishworth medical, but before you decide get the details of their fine print.
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Old 13th Feb 2010, 06:12   #15 (permalink)
 
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What about the expat driver who was run down on his motorbike (along with his girlfriend) and then beaten to a pulp (as was she).

Does that count as a cultural problem? How long was the hospitalisation?

GB
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Old 13th Feb 2010, 06:24   #16 (permalink)
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FWIW, I've heard that DPI pays on the 10th day of the month for the previous month even though they receive payment from VAC on the 24th, they also charge 25 USD for each wire transfer, no medical insurance, but personal accident and injury is included.
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Old 13th Feb 2010, 07:35   #18 (permalink)
 
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Nice post...........You are good.
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Old 13th Feb 2010, 08:02   #19 (permalink)
 
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fish 330 captains

Hi, anyone on this thread actually working for VNA, what's the T&C's for 330 Capt's or TRI"s, and 330 network if possible please? I have an offer out of the blue, and need some comparative info please?!
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If you join as an F/O what are the chances of eventually moving onto another fleet or a command upgrade?
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