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Old 26th Feb 2011, 23:35   #2181 (permalink)
 
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Old 27th Feb 2011, 00:54   #2182 (permalink)
 
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Suntory & friends:

Let's get one thing straight. The CX iCadets are nothing more than the CHEAPEST way CX can fill a map folding seat. Nothing more, nothing less. You are not part of ellite group as the speaches at the graduation ceremonies will tell you via a Goebels-esque propagander speach. If this were not true they would've employed the many pilots on the T & C's that they interviewed under & were successful in those interviews from 3 years ago. At least they (all but 1 i believe) had the experience knowledge of CX & the industry to see when they are being taken advantage of & refuse such an insult.

Pilots with actual CX experience and knowledge are not offering hints or advice, they are telling you & the others in no uncertain terms the truth. But it is obvious you & the others are so easily led & ignorant to to truth & facts that you insist on dismissing them.

When all is said & done you have actively & deliberately lowered the T & C's of a once great airline. In truth, I don't blame ignorant, starry eyed children for such mistakes. More so the greedy managements profiteering from this ignorance. I do & will blame ignorant, starry eyed children when all the advice & evidence is before them but they are so arrogant in their own assertion to be right that they ignore it.
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Old 27th Feb 2011, 02:35   #2183 (permalink)
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We expect to have to scrape by at first, and when using sensible figures and sources to calculate monthly expenditures, there's quite a lot of room to play with before exhausting that month's salary.
Wake up call......... A CX second officer has never had to "scrape by". It's always been a positive career move in many ways, financially mainly. Not so any more though. With all these SJS jumping at these inadequate conditions, they are sure NOT to improve.

By the way Pitot Probe, spell check before you spout off.
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Old 27th Feb 2011, 06:20   #2184 (permalink)
 
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Facts

Not a commercial pilot, not a cadet either. However, in reading these posts, it seems to me two things must be accepted if one has the choice to become a cadet:

1. Money is bad as SO, especially in HK. No housing credits either, likely never.
2. The overall airline trend is to cut benefits and pay. CX is no exception, and the cadet programme is a great example of that. Seems to me one must get used to that if they're in the industry. That's the way it is, join them eyes wide open.

What I wonder is how someone with limited experience as an aviator, after a flight school and undoubtedly great training, can expect to fly with 4 years of monkey see and zero monkey do (save for sim training I understand every-other month) with adequate performance in tough situations? So long as you accept the two facts above it seems like a great opportunity but will this give the proper foundation to move to FO and so-forth?

I'm not knocking what I am sure is expectational CX training, and nobody would move to JFO without passing the evaluations. Nonetheless it begs the question......
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Old 27th Feb 2011, 15:29   #2185 (permalink)
 
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The answer to that is 'DEFO', the FO spots will go to outsiders when needed, that is after the current DESO's are moved up to JFO.
My "crystal ball" is telling me the ICadets will stay as SO's for the maximum term of their contract, then be upgraded very slowly. Because after-all they will all be soooo bitter by then that as soon as they make FO and get some time on something larger than a Cessna.....they will be leaving in droves.

However if you are 20 now, you will be a Widebody FO before you are 30, and with 30 more years of flying ahead of you this might just payoff for you? Now if you are 30+......well......ahhhhh
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Old 27th Feb 2011, 21:32   #2186 (permalink)
 
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Cathay Salaries for Second officers

Hi, just joined the forum, I have never posted before, but do have a little bit of up to date information to share with you guys who are considering the Cathay Cadet Scheme.
The initial salary has just risen by 9% this year, will increase by 3% next year taking OTE to approxamately 40,000 per annum with the inclusion of annual bonus's and allowances. I have just found out from a very reliable source that there is going to be a housing allowance allocated to Second Officers of approx 10,000 per annum.
There are about 40,000 applicants in the pool at the moment looking for sponsorship and it seems that Cathay may be looking to double the intake for Cadets this year.
My experience of Cathay is limited, but I have found them up to press to be an extremely supportive company towards their cadets where opportunities for these young men and women are few and far between.
The Cadet scheme is open to all nationalities and has been since June 2009.
I know that the cost of living is expensive in Hong Kong, but the reality for these cadets is to have no prospect and no money or grasp this chance and have a carear with a first class world leading company and a bright future.
I sincerly hope this helps some of you hopefuls out there make a more informed decision. If any of you guys have interviews, the best of luck, be assured though, you will have to be exceptional to be chosen.
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Old 27th Feb 2011, 21:42   #2187 (permalink)
 
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Hey Guys,

How can I the best train myself for Stage 1? What sort of selection is it(interview,test)?

Thanks!
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Old 27th Feb 2011, 21:45   #2188 (permalink)
 
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have a look at my Cathay Stage 1 report!
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Old 27th Feb 2011, 21:57   #2189 (permalink)
 
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Captain Weird,

Few suggestions

1 - read this entire thread - there's alot of waffle going on, but also alot of good info regarding all aspects of the selection process

2 - what level of flight experience do you have? your knowledge should commensurate your level of experience at the very very least, but would be strongly recommended you study material beyond what you would be expected to know with your experience. There is a base knowledge level that is expected of you being the material in the JKI booklet that is sent to you when you are invited for stage 1.

3 - you can never be too prepared

goodluck and sit patiently till u get the email invite
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Old 28th Feb 2011, 03:35   #2190 (permalink)
 
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Quick question regarding the JKI test

Are the questions about specific information on the booklet CX sent us or are the questions more general stuff from the booklet.


For example

The book gives an example about variation.

"the variation in Burma and Western Australia is nil, whereas at Vancouver Island it is 25 Degrees E and the other side of Canada, in Newfoundland, it is over 30 Degrees W."

Could CX as a question like

"what is the variation in Burma and Western Australia"..

Im trying to figure out the best way to study for this...

Thanks
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Old 28th Feb 2011, 08:22   #2191 (permalink)
 
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Ad on internet today

Just a quick one. I noticed today CX advertising for cadets on a European website. I have had an application in for 6 months and not a peep from them. I have fATPL with the right education and thought I would at least get a reply. Others I know who applied at the same time have gone off for stage one and others as well as me hear nothing. Is there some magic wand that is waved to select people?

I find it hard to understand why they are advertising when they have I would think hundreds of people on the books already.

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Old 28th Feb 2011, 13:36   #2192 (permalink)
 
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Just out of interest tarmac, are you married or have kids/dependants?
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Old 28th Feb 2011, 14:11   #2193 (permalink)
 
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Section 2 Aviation Maths

Does Anybody know what is in the aviation maths test for the 2nd stage of interviews?

Anybody that has done it recently any info would be much appreciated
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Old 28th Feb 2011, 14:31   #2194 (permalink)
 
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Dear Orangeboy,

No, I don't have any flight experience!

@LHA: What a report! Thanks!
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Old 28th Feb 2011, 16:40   #2195 (permalink)
 
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Sloppyjoe, do you have insight as to why/whether being married with or without kids matters to CX? Obviously, one would need some other form of income to make that work on SO salary but would that automatically omit you from being a candidate, based upon your knowledge?
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Old 28th Feb 2011, 17:35   #2196 (permalink)
 
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Hi guys, I know this is a question from a novice but what is the JKI booklet and where can i get a copy?

thanks
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Old 28th Feb 2011, 18:48   #2197 (permalink)
 
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Quick question regarding the JKI test

Are the questions about specific information on the booklet CX sent us or are the questions more general stuff from the booklet.


For example

The book gives an example about variation.

"the variation in Burma and Western Australia is nil, whereas at Vancouver Island it is 25 Degrees E and the other side of Canada, in Newfoundland, it is over 30 Degrees W."

Could CX as a question like

"what is the variation in Burma and Western Australia"..

Im trying to figure out the best way to study for this...

Thanks


bump!!.........
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Old 28th Feb 2011, 19:32   #2198 (permalink)
 
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Most of the JKI questions are specific to the booklet, there are one or two questions the booklet doesn't cover (what's longer, a 747 or an A340-600...etc.)

The JKI test really is pretty basic - very little thinking and more of a memory test than anything else.

Basically, can you be bothered to read this booklet we've sent out to you, and understand the main points?

It really is not worth worrying about ... I think you need to focus on learning at least up to your experience level and beyond.

You'll also need to think about your career at CX, and whether it will suit you in the long term - some interviewers will ask. Hong Kong is NOT for everyone ...
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Old 28th Feb 2011, 20:12   #2199 (permalink)
 
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You can't calculate magnetic deviation since it's not evenly distributed. If you're in US, go down to your local pilot supply store and pick up either From The Ground Up (US edition) or ASA The Pilot's Manual PM2 - Ground School and start reading. At least understand the PPL bits of the book so you actually understand the JKI instead of repeating answers. They will for sure ask questions based on your experience.
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Old 1st Mar 2011, 04:41   #2200 (permalink)
 
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Record profits and yet they expect pilots to try and live in Hong Kong on this dismal package with no housing .... it's a joke guys.

Real-estate has gone up 120% in the past 5 years ... the P2X rating you get as a second officer is not a full rating ... you cant do anything with it if you decide to leave after 2 years.

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