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Anyone out there reading these postings, possible inside CX, know approximatly how many cadets have applied since it opened to International and how many thus far have been accepted to the programme?
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The number I've heard is around 20000 cadet applications since the international cadet program started. Intake was around 80-120 cadets/SO per year. Apparently this year the cadet intake will be doubled.
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Fine I surrender, I'll just go and take that other pilot job where they pay for all of my training and then start me off on £32,000 a year post tax.
I beg your apology for possibly suggesting that a pilot who has just received his CPL would scrape by, because lord knows, all new CPL pilots start off on really cushy jobs, don't pay for type ratings, and get housing allowances in Europe, and of course there are enough of these jobs going around for everyone!
You want to know why no one goes on this forum, because most of the guys with a modicum of sense steer clear of you trolls who clearly have an axe to grind.
I beg your apology for possibly suggesting that a pilot who has just received his CPL would scrape by, because lord knows, all new CPL pilots start off on really cushy jobs, don't pay for type ratings, and get housing allowances in Europe, and of course there are enough of these jobs going around for everyone!
You want to know why no one goes on this forum, because most of the guys with a modicum of sense steer clear of you trolls who clearly have an axe to grind.
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Again you shoot from the hip. If you had bothered to do some research, something you seem to be reluctant to do, you would have discovered I have helped many wannabes try and get into CX in the past. I won’t sit by though and let wannabes have their lives ruined by financial entrapment when they discover they can’t afford to live in Hong Kong on the package being offered. £32000.00 before tax will be a very tight existence for someone in the third most expensive city in the world to live. I had more disposable income in my first year of GA flying in Australia in the late 80’s then you will have here flying a wide body jet. If you can’t see you are being taken advantage of because of your naivety of everything to do with this industry then god help us all.
You’re kidding right? 2224 post on this thread, 95% by wannabes speaks for itself. Considering you only have 24 posts to your name it's a bit of a rich calling us trolls. I suggest you look in the mirror sunshine.
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Again you shoot from the hip. If you had bothered to do some research, something you seem to be reluctant to do, you would have discovered I have helped many wannabes try and get into CX in the past. I won’t sit by though and let wannabes have their lives ruined by financial entrapment when they discover they can’t afford to live in Hong Kong on the package being offered. £32000.00 before tax will be a very tight existence for someone in the third most expensive city in the world to live. I had more disposable income in my first year of GA flying in Australia in the late 80’s then you will have here flying a wide body jet. If you can’t see you are being taken advantage of because of your naivety of everything to do with this industry then god help us all.
You want to know why no one goes on this forum, because most of the guys with a modicum of sense steer clear of you trolls who clearly have an axe to grind.
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Suntory & friends:
Let's get one thing straight. The CX iCadets are nothing more than the CHEAPEST way CX can fill a map folding seat. Nothing more, nothing less. You are not part of ellite group as the speaches at the graduation ceremonies will tell you via a Goebels-esque propagander speach. If this were not true they would've employed the many pilots on the T & C's that they interviewed under & were successful in those interviews from 3 years ago. At least they (all but 1 i believe) had the experience knowledge of CX & the industry to see when they are being taken advantage of & refuse such an insult.
Pilots with actual CX experience and knowledge are not offering hints or advice, they are telling you & the others in no uncertain terms the truth. But it is obvious you & the others are so easily led & ignorant to to truth & facts that you insist on dismissing them.
When all is said & done you have actively & deliberately lowered the T & C's of a once great airline. In truth, I don't blame ignorant, starry eyed children for such mistakes. More so the greedy managements profiteering from this ignorance. I do & will blame ignorant, starry eyed children when all the advice & evidence is before them but they are so arrogant in their own assertion to be right that they ignore it.
Let's get one thing straight. The CX iCadets are nothing more than the CHEAPEST way CX can fill a map folding seat. Nothing more, nothing less. You are not part of ellite group as the speaches at the graduation ceremonies will tell you via a Goebels-esque propagander speach. If this were not true they would've employed the many pilots on the T & C's that they interviewed under & were successful in those interviews from 3 years ago. At least they (all but 1 i believe) had the experience knowledge of CX & the industry to see when they are being taken advantage of & refuse such an insult.
Pilots with actual CX experience and knowledge are not offering hints or advice, they are telling you & the others in no uncertain terms the truth. But it is obvious you & the others are so easily led & ignorant to to truth & facts that you insist on dismissing them.
When all is said & done you have actively & deliberately lowered the T & C's of a once great airline. In truth, I don't blame ignorant, starry eyed children for such mistakes. More so the greedy managements profiteering from this ignorance. I do & will blame ignorant, starry eyed children when all the advice & evidence is before them but they are so arrogant in their own assertion to be right that they ignore it.
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We expect to have to scrape by at first, and when using sensible figures and sources to calculate monthly expenditures, there's quite a lot of room to play with before exhausting that month's salary.
By the way Pitot Probe, spell check before you spout off.
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Facts
Not a commercial pilot, not a cadet either. However, in reading these posts, it seems to me two things must be accepted if one has the choice to become a cadet:
1. Money is bad as SO, especially in HK. No housing credits either, likely never.
2. The overall airline trend is to cut benefits and pay. CX is no exception, and the cadet programme is a great example of that. Seems to me one must get used to that if they're in the industry. That's the way it is, join them eyes wide open.
What I wonder is how someone with limited experience as an aviator, after a flight school and undoubtedly great training, can expect to fly with 4 years of monkey see and zero monkey do (save for sim training I understand every-other month) with adequate performance in tough situations? So long as you accept the two facts above it seems like a great opportunity but will this give the proper foundation to move to FO and so-forth?
I'm not knocking what I am sure is expectational CX training, and nobody would move to JFO without passing the evaluations. Nonetheless it begs the question......
1. Money is bad as SO, especially in HK. No housing credits either, likely never.
2. The overall airline trend is to cut benefits and pay. CX is no exception, and the cadet programme is a great example of that. Seems to me one must get used to that if they're in the industry. That's the way it is, join them eyes wide open.
What I wonder is how someone with limited experience as an aviator, after a flight school and undoubtedly great training, can expect to fly with 4 years of monkey see and zero monkey do (save for sim training I understand every-other month) with adequate performance in tough situations? So long as you accept the two facts above it seems like a great opportunity but will this give the proper foundation to move to FO and so-forth?
I'm not knocking what I am sure is expectational CX training, and nobody would move to JFO without passing the evaluations. Nonetheless it begs the question......
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The answer to that is 'DEFO', the FO spots will go to outsiders when needed, that is after the current DESO's are moved up to JFO.
My "crystal ball" is telling me the ICadets will stay as SO's for the maximum term of their contract, then be upgraded very slowly. Because after-all they will all be soooo bitter by then that as soon as they make FO and get some time on something larger than a Cessna.....they will be leaving in droves.
However if you are 20 now, you will be a Widebody FO before you are 30, and with 30 more years of flying ahead of you this might just payoff for you? Now if you are 30+......well......ahhhhh
My "crystal ball" is telling me the ICadets will stay as SO's for the maximum term of their contract, then be upgraded very slowly. Because after-all they will all be soooo bitter by then that as soon as they make FO and get some time on something larger than a Cessna.....they will be leaving in droves.
However if you are 20 now, you will be a Widebody FO before you are 30, and with 30 more years of flying ahead of you this might just payoff for you? Now if you are 30+......well......ahhhhh
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Cathay Salaries for Second officers
Hi, just joined the forum, I have never posted before, but do have a little bit of up to date information to share with you guys who are considering the Cathay Cadet Scheme.
The initial salary has just risen by 9% this year, will increase by 3% next year taking OTE to approxamately £40,000 per annum with the inclusion of annual bonus's and allowances. I have just found out from a very reliable source that there is going to be a housing allowance allocated to Second Officers of approx £10,000 per annum.
There are about 40,000 applicants in the pool at the moment looking for sponsorship and it seems that Cathay may be looking to double the intake for Cadets this year.
My experience of Cathay is limited, but I have found them up to press to be an extremely supportive company towards their cadets where opportunities for these young men and women are few and far between.
The Cadet scheme is open to all nationalities and has been since June 2009.
I know that the cost of living is expensive in Hong Kong, but the reality for these cadets is to have no prospect and no money or grasp this chance and have a carear with a first class world leading company and a bright future.
I sincerly hope this helps some of you hopefuls out there make a more informed decision. If any of you guys have interviews, the best of luck, be assured though, you will have to be exceptional to be chosen.
The initial salary has just risen by 9% this year, will increase by 3% next year taking OTE to approxamately £40,000 per annum with the inclusion of annual bonus's and allowances. I have just found out from a very reliable source that there is going to be a housing allowance allocated to Second Officers of approx £10,000 per annum.
There are about 40,000 applicants in the pool at the moment looking for sponsorship and it seems that Cathay may be looking to double the intake for Cadets this year.
My experience of Cathay is limited, but I have found them up to press to be an extremely supportive company towards their cadets where opportunities for these young men and women are few and far between.
The Cadet scheme is open to all nationalities and has been since June 2009.
I know that the cost of living is expensive in Hong Kong, but the reality for these cadets is to have no prospect and no money or grasp this chance and have a carear with a first class world leading company and a bright future.
I sincerly hope this helps some of you hopefuls out there make a more informed decision. If any of you guys have interviews, the best of luck, be assured though, you will have to be exceptional to be chosen.
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Captain Weird,
Few suggestions
1 - read this entire thread - there's alot of waffle going on, but also alot of good info regarding all aspects of the selection process
2 - what level of flight experience do you have? your knowledge should commensurate your level of experience at the very very least, but would be strongly recommended you study material beyond what you would be expected to know with your experience. There is a base knowledge level that is expected of you being the material in the JKI booklet that is sent to you when you are invited for stage 1.
3 - you can never be too prepared
goodluck and sit patiently till u get the email invite
Few suggestions
1 - read this entire thread - there's alot of waffle going on, but also alot of good info regarding all aspects of the selection process
2 - what level of flight experience do you have? your knowledge should commensurate your level of experience at the very very least, but would be strongly recommended you study material beyond what you would be expected to know with your experience. There is a base knowledge level that is expected of you being the material in the JKI booklet that is sent to you when you are invited for stage 1.
3 - you can never be too prepared
goodluck and sit patiently till u get the email invite
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Quick question regarding the JKI test
Are the questions about specific information on the booklet CX sent us or are the questions more general stuff from the booklet.
For example
The book gives an example about variation.
"the variation in Burma and Western Australia is nil, whereas at Vancouver Island it is 25 Degrees E and the other side of Canada, in Newfoundland, it is over 30 Degrees W."
Could CX as a question like
"what is the variation in Burma and Western Australia"..
Im trying to figure out the best way to study for this...
Thanks
Are the questions about specific information on the booklet CX sent us or are the questions more general stuff from the booklet.
For example
The book gives an example about variation.
"the variation in Burma and Western Australia is nil, whereas at Vancouver Island it is 25 Degrees E and the other side of Canada, in Newfoundland, it is over 30 Degrees W."
Could CX as a question like
"what is the variation in Burma and Western Australia"..
Im trying to figure out the best way to study for this...
Thanks
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Ad on internet today
Just a quick one. I noticed today CX advertising for cadets on a European website. I have had an application in for 6 months and not a peep from them. I have fATPL with the right education and thought I would at least get a reply. Others I know who applied at the same time have gone off for stage one and others as well as me hear nothing. Is there some magic wand that is waved to select people?
I find it hard to understand why they are advertising when they have I would think hundreds of people on the books already.
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I find it hard to understand why they are advertising when they have I would think hundreds of people on the books already.
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