Mixture: ......Also stop getting your underwear in a twist, because as has already been pointed out, the information has been in the public domain for some time now because the manufacturer wanted to secure a patent.
Good idea. Let's post it on the internet so every knuckleheadded idiot can find it without really trying.
More background on the ill captain from a newspaper article:
The CEO/president of JetBlue says the crazed captain captured by Las Vegas-bound passengers after a mid-air meltdown was a old friend and “consummate professional.”
Airline executive Dave Barger said Capt. Clayton Osbon’s history offered no hints of any potential problems — and certainly nothing like his bizarre rant about terrorists and bombs.
“Obviously, the captain’s now in the hands of medical care, obviously under the custody of the FBI,” Barger said Wednesday morning on the “Today” show.
“I’ve know the captain personally for a long period of time, and there's been no indication of this at all in the past,” Barger said. “Consummate professional.”
...According to a 2011 magazine profile of Osbon, he spent his life flying and has flown 35 different types of aircraft. He did a stint piloting luxury jets around the world and lived in Portugal and France.
He tried to fly for the Navy but didn’t make the cut because of an astigmatism in his right eye.
“That broke my heart a little bit,” he told Lucas, who wrote him up for last year’s Richmond Hill Reflections “Guys in the Sky Issue.”
Osbon has been flying for jetBlue since the airline launched in 2000 and has a sideline selling weight-loss products, including a “shake mix that tastes like a cake mix.”
He told Lucas he’d like to start a new career as a motivational speaker.
“I’d like to think the world is more than just getting up in the morning, making a cup of coffee, going to work, coming home, kissing your wife good-night and going to bed,” he said.
A grandfather, devout Christian and conservative Republican, his Facebook page lists two activities: “Working Hard” and “Praising God.”
A neighbor in Georgia who declined to be named called Osbon “perfectly normal.”
“One of his hobbies is kayaking. He’s very laid back guy as far as I can tell,” he said. “He’s helpful if you ask him for something. I don’t think he has ever had any problems with anyone here.”
Was he carrying a gun, or has that programme been terminated?
Don't know if he was packing but some of the folks in the FFDO program worry me as they wax poetic about their collection of guns and huge stocks of ammo and how they will use them if Obama tries to take away their automatic weapons. FFDO's are supposedly screened for psych issues but a few of them appear to me to be on the lunatic fringe even for pilots.
Anyone, regardless of profession, race, gender, etc., is not immune from mental disease. (IF, and that is a strong IF, that is the case here.) And sometimes the manifestations of mental disease appear suddenly and without warning. Even for those considered "with it."
IF this is mental disease - for want of a better term - then all anyone can hope for is that he receives the best of care on a path to speedy recovery.
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It's vital for him there's an outside causal influence. It's doubtful, given his beliefs and background that it will be recreational drugs. But what about so-called prescribed drugs? I'm sure the search is already on, but for no other reason than thinking outside the box, I'd have a look at:
and has a sideline selling weight-loss products, including a “shake mix that tastes like a cake mix.”
It seems too sudden to be 'mental illness' per se, and it would almost be a blessing if he goes down with something like viral meningitis . . . anything that's explainable and from which he can make a full recovery. His life as he knows it will be over if nothing is found.
As someone having first-hand experience with mental illness I can assure you that an "eruption" such as this is not at all uncommon. The eruption can be exacerbated by various environmental factors leading to "totally losing it." Without any obvious symptoms leading up to an incident.
agree with rgbrock1 - a close friend has had weird 'seizures' for about 5 years, after 2-3 months, basically out of the blue. Well, probably emotional stress - very good things or very bad things, but nothing excessive (to someone who's not in his skin). The first time I was sure he's gone mad. The doctors were sure it was a stroke. (By now they THINK they know what it could be, one of the rare things, not mental and he's ok between the attacks.) For me this bomb-talk totally makes sense - surely that's an issue for pilots. The person I know goes outside and starts looking for his business car he had 30 years ago, for example, and claims he has to do something he did then. Things are complicated sometimes. Not always, of course, but still.
[not a pilot] Going by a CBS News report, an alleged eyewitness report, and others, a rough chronology seems to be:
1) Co-pilot invites pilot out of the cockpit. 2) Off-duty pilot sitting around row 13 is escorted to the cockpit by a cabin attendant 3) Pilot is restrained by passengers, apparently encouraged by a cabin crew public address announcement, as has been recounted on this forum.
Other reports claim that the captain tried to enter a lavatory. Perhaps someone knows the locations of lavatories on this particular airplane.
If nothing else, this is a reassuring event. CRM procedure for a First Officer who is unhappy with the behaviour of the Captain may have reinforced the resolve of the pilot in the right hand seat, and led to the safe outcome. Unlike some other outcomes on this forum, where the Captain is some sort of deity, and outranks everyone even when he's losing situational awareness....we have come a long way from KLM at Teneriffe.
According to the news down here he is now in the hands of the FBI. Is that significant or routine? Doesn't sound like what I would have expected, I would have thought a full psychiatric evaluation was in order.
I'm sure with a few seconds on Google the "knuckleheads" could find the information easier than trawling through PPRuNe ! Hell, the "knuckleheads" probably have friends (either genuine or "recruited" with a bit of cash) who are engineers, line pilots or door manufacturer employees to give them the information !
As I said ... "security by obscurity is not security". If you built yourself a house in the middle of the Australian outback, with no locks on the doors..... told nobody you did it, told nobody what was inside it but placed a few million dollars worth of gold bars in it ..... would you sleep at night if you lived a few thousand miles away ? It's safe right because you've secured yourself by obscurity ? No, of course not. You would layer the security wouldn't you (CCTV, a safe, an alarm system, a guard etc. etc. ) ! Same goes for the aviation industry and its security.
A guess, as a layman, would be BiPolar Disorder. High achievement interspersed with bizarre epsodes of incoherent behaviour, usually well controlled with medication. Unfortunately BP folk are not good with compliance/medication. I am also guessing, but I believe FAA would not issue a Class I to someone with BPD I. If he was trying to maintain w/o meds, a breakdown was probably overdue. It is the damnedest thing, I had a dear friend with BPD. A super achiever, athlete, popular and quasi famous, especially within his profession.
Captain Osbon is Ill, not "bad". Let's be grownups, shall we?
Just SLF, but I understand what he was (probably) going through in a small way.
If you're suffering from some sort of mental "issue" you're often not aware of it and you think your actions are correct and justified.
I'm sure that after being locked out of the flight deck he was absolute in his belief that something bad was happening, and he was not the reason. In fact I think I'd kinda hope that someone locked out of the flight deck when something bad *was* happening would try really hard to get back in, so his attempt is certainly noble (if -- in this case -- misguided).
I have a reaction to a certain common drug and it makes me very agitated. The first time I had it, I was caught unaware and did some things out of character. Now I know and I make sure I don't take the drug, or if I do (it's unfortunately sometimes required) that I prepare those around me (and myself to some extent). Even knowing that I am not acting "normal", and why, it's hard to moderate your behaviour. Not knowing makes it almost impossible.
I have no real idea, but his problem may be a very small one, magnified by circumstance.
I'm sure that if I was on board that flight I would have found it alarming, but nobody died and the FO seems to have handled the situation as best he could in the interests of the safety of the flight (less so for the Captain, but let's face it if you have to choose between the two, you unfortunately may not be able to have 2 winners).
I hope the Captain is not too badly treated (I read this morning that he's been charged, and I hope that's wrong).
With only 2 people on the flight deck this must have been an interesting situation. Another use for flight engineers? I would also not have wanted to be the FO. I'm sure he was justified in his actions, and I'm sure he knows that, but I'd still feel pretty bad about what I'd done to a colleague.
Bad things happen to good people, and vice versa. The charge of Interfering with a flight crew is appropriate, in the scheme of things, and having the CEO go to bat for you will help. He will get help, and his life will change, hopefully for the better.
I'm having a hard time looking for something to criticize in this event. Everyone involved seemed to do the right things, pretty much. Well, some of the posts, heh........?
An affidavit by an FBI agent shows that trouble for the flight started before the Airbus A320 took off from New York City's LaGuardia Airport. Osbon was late arriving at the airport, and missed the routine pre-flight crew briefing, agent John Whitworth said in the affidavit.
Whitworth said problems continued as the Airbus A320 was taking off.
"Osbon talked about his church and needed to focus," Whitworth said in the affidavit. "Osbon began talking about religion, but his statements were not coherent."
The rest of the flight crew began to get nervous when Osbon told them that "things just don't matter" and began yelling over the plane's radio system, telling air traffic controllers to "be quiet," according to Whitworth's account in the affidavit. "The First Officer became really worried when Osbon said, ‘We need to take a leap of faith'," Whitworth said in the document. "Osbon started trying to correlate completely unrelated numbers and he talked about the sins in Las Vegas. At one point, Osbon told the (first officer), ‘We're not going to Vegas,' and began giving what was described as a sermon."
You cant one day be perfectly healthy and the next day loose it, it's just doesn't happen. This man has either had an ongoing mental illness (psychotic illness) like Bipolar slowly developing away, or he has had something else happen medically. I doubt quite highly that he would be able to get away with BP in aviation. People who have serious mental illnesses do not know that anything they are doing is out of the ordinary. So their flighty ideas would stand out and be picked up by family, friends and his work profession.
I feel so sorry for this man and hope that he recovers soon. Well done to the F/O. He did everything right I believe.
I tell you what, it is bloody lucky that this kind of thing doesn't happen more often. I have only been flying commercially for airlines for 12 years but the way the industry has changed is remarkable. I now have to put up with totally over the top security procedures on a daily basis, companies crying poor every day and constantly trying to cut my pay and conditions or threaten me with redundancy, threat of terrorism, increasing perception by the public that we are just button pushers and finally the increased instances of passengers being disruptive.
If you are already in a slightly fragile state due to 'outside' events I can see that along with all the above pressure you wouldn't really need a big push to make you lose the plot. It happened last month with the Cabin Crew Member that lost it, now we see it here with the Captain. Lets hope that the next event isn't actually in the flight deck.
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You cant one day be perfectly healthy and the next day loose it,
I'm still inclined to feel you're right. Usually there are clues well before a major BP departure from the norm.
My experience: I have posted on JB, I have, or had, three friends who were seriously Bp. All of them are dead. One murdered at 22years old, one suicide and one -? After a lifetime of just having a mix of friends, this cluster happened within c 5 years. Very puzzling and very distressing.
While thinking about this today, I recalled a captain, a senior man who was a pall of the owner, just started doing odd things. Our shiny new jets were not quite up to his standard inasmuch as the cockpits were not clean. I recall vividly him licking his finger and rubbing at the dirt and proclaiming, "see, duck egg blue. That's how it should look." He re-licked the filthy finger and repeated the process - several times. He then went on to suggesting brushes be issued to the engineers so that the dust between the radios could be swept out of the groves. I heard later he'd been delaying flights while dust was removed and the duck egg blue restored.
I imagine the next game of golf with the boss was a little strained.
I've wrestled the controls from my captain in the Innsbruck valley, and years later, stormed out of a very good job because of the bizarre and very, very dangerous practices of a captain in a well-known independent. I'd had enough, and no one would listen. So many respected captains knew, but no one did anything.
It had gone on for over a year.
The thing is, in this case, were there any clues prior to that day? And if there were, was there anyone that had the skills, and indeed the balls to take action? People I had admired were manifestly unable, or unwilling, to make these difficult decisions, so are modern management any better?