One-Two-Go Grounded!
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That may be, but they're also substituting the aircraft for regularly scheduled Orient Thai 747 flights.
Monday October 13, 9am OX203 out of Hong Kong was a One-Two-Go MD80. It took off 07Right.
Monday October 13, 9am OX203 out of Hong Kong was a One-Two-Go MD80. It took off 07Right.
Otg Md80 Hkg 11 Oct 2008
Photo taken on 11 OCT 2008 at HKG of OTG MD80.
JetPhotos.Net Photo » HS-OMC (CN: 49479) One-Two-GO by Orient Thai McDonnell Douglas MD-82 by Dennis Chow
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Don't want to burst the bubble...?
but in the Bangkok Post article, it states the following:
"One-Two-Go's parent company, Orient Thai Airlines, resumed services on Sept 20, when the department restored the operating licence of the airline that uses MD80 aircraft."
(my bold)
OTG may still be on the ground, but it looks like OT is in the clear for MD operations. I do not wish to defend Udom, but the DCA has reinstated the MD AOC for OT, just not for OTG as yet. We all know it is the same bucket of sh!t management running both airlines, however I suspect that the DCA has now mandated that the operations structure and manuals for OTG are more formally separated from that of OT, to better distinguish the two?
That will not fix what has happened or what is going to happen, it just means that the DCA has found a way to keep Udom's head above water long enough to ensure that before their golf memberships and cars get too old, they get new ones before too long.
"One-Two-Go's parent company, Orient Thai Airlines, resumed services on Sept 20, when the department restored the operating licence of the airline that uses MD80 aircraft."
(my bold)
OTG may still be on the ground, but it looks like OT is in the clear for MD operations. I do not wish to defend Udom, but the DCA has reinstated the MD AOC for OT, just not for OTG as yet. We all know it is the same bucket of sh!t management running both airlines, however I suspect that the DCA has now mandated that the operations structure and manuals for OTG are more formally separated from that of OT, to better distinguish the two?
That will not fix what has happened or what is going to happen, it just means that the DCA has found a way to keep Udom's head above water long enough to ensure that before their golf memberships and cars get too old, they get new ones before too long.
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Udom is currently in Tokyo with JAL where he is "buying" a batch of B747-300 aircraft - in reality these are going to Kabo in Nigeria and Udom is making a nice mark up apparently he has exclu
sive rights with an agency called Jalux to first refusal on all their disposals. He had the same 3 years ago on a batch of A300 Freighters
sive rights with an agency called Jalux to first refusal on all their disposals. He had the same 3 years ago on a batch of A300 Freighters
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Bubbles Bursting
So let's see...In August, both AOC's are suspended. And on 20 Sept, the OX AOC is reinstated.
And in that 4-6-weeks, OX manages to re-configure their fleet from B74's to the MD-8's, train and certify all crews, and resolve all the maintenance and FOM issues that caused the suspension of the AOC of the carrier that was the source of their new fleet.
Yeah, right.
And in that 4-6-weeks, OX manages to re-configure their fleet from B74's to the MD-8's, train and certify all crews, and resolve all the maintenance and FOM issues that caused the suspension of the AOC of the carrier that was the source of their new fleet.
Yeah, right.
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tbavprof,
In actual fact, the MD fleet already belonged to OT....if you look at the legal case against OT (provided on Thailand must investigate Udom Tantiprasongchai) you will see the "Wet Least" agreement between OT and OTG.
I am sure you all know the difference, but just in case, "Wet Lease" means that the aircraft come with crew...that already belonged to OT...
In clause 11.0 of that agreement, it clearly states that the Lessor (OT) will be responsible for providing four sets of crew with each aircraft.
What I am getting at is the fact that OT already had all necessary equipment and resources to re-launch the MD operation under the OT banner without having to worry about the effects on OTG. I can only imagine that any rectification work required by the DCA was directed at OTG only and not that of OT (be it all the same at the end of the day)?
Again, I am not condoning what or how Udom runs his airline, but the facts need to be observed if any effect against OT or OTG is to be achieved.
In actual fact, the MD fleet already belonged to OT....if you look at the legal case against OT (provided on Thailand must investigate Udom Tantiprasongchai) you will see the "Wet Least" agreement between OT and OTG.
I am sure you all know the difference, but just in case, "Wet Lease" means that the aircraft come with crew...that already belonged to OT...
In clause 11.0 of that agreement, it clearly states that the Lessor (OT) will be responsible for providing four sets of crew with each aircraft.
What I am getting at is the fact that OT already had all necessary equipment and resources to re-launch the MD operation under the OT banner without having to worry about the effects on OTG. I can only imagine that any rectification work required by the DCA was directed at OTG only and not that of OT (be it all the same at the end of the day)?
Again, I am not condoning what or how Udom runs his airline, but the facts need to be observed if any effect against OT or OTG is to be achieved.
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Maintenance Fraud
Another set of Orient Thai maintenance logs showing maintenance fraud and dangerous flight: InvestigateUdom look for Oct 22, 2008
(Also some older insurance documents.)
(Also some older insurance documents.)
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Conflicting Information?
B74, I understand the wet lease, but have a difficult time reconciling your explanation with this information provided when the OX AOC suspension was lifted.
Free month in Madrid for DTAC inspectors! That is some serious oversight. Now I understand the delay.
While One-Two-Go has been grounded, sister carrier Orient Thai Airlines has been permitted to continue operating. But Wuthichai (ed: Director of DCAT) says Orient Thai is only permitted to operate its Boeing 747s and is barred from operating Boeing MD-80-series aircraft, the aircraft type that One-Two-Go operates.
One-Two-Go has 30-40 pilots but these are only about two weeks through their pilot proficiency checks (PPC), which normally take one month to complete, says Wuthichai.
These PPCs involve simulator training and One-Two-Go has had to send its pilots to a simulator centre in Madrid, Spain because the one it normally uses at Japan Airlines is unavailable, he says.
Wuthichai says DCA inspectors have been accompanying the pilots on these overseas trips,
Normally there is no need for inspectors to be present when the pilots are doing their simulator training but this is "a special case", he says.
These PPCs involve simulator training and One-Two-Go has had to send its pilots to a simulator centre in Madrid, Spain because the one it normally uses at Japan Airlines is unavailable, he says.
Wuthichai says DCA inspectors have been accompanying the pilots on these overseas trips,
Normally there is no need for inspectors to be present when the pilots are doing their simulator training but this is "a special case", he says.
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Garuda HAJ was done by AAI for many years, what happened?
A half way decent company, not like these Thai ones, fly anything , no rules or regs allowed.
Even down to the sim checks, all pencil whipped, yet the Thai DCA allows this to continue.
Either fly or go home as they say, even if you are overdue by many months.
Been there done that.
What a low life operation with these Thai ones that operate using threats and intimidation.
Starts at breakfast in the hotel.
Manager says you wont be paid for this and that as stated in your contract etc.
You fly overtime and its not paid according to the agreed amount before you flew this.
Going to the aircraft you see MEL cat C items that have expired months ago and still open.
No go items signed off as we don't have the parts, signed off as airworthy and in the log books like this.
You say if you are going to lie at least make the paper work look honest in case we are ramp checked.
Yet you complain about this to the C/P you are labeled as a troublemaker.
All fire warnings have to be considered as false, even when they burn a hole through the engine cowling.
Same aircraft shells an engine out, parts all over the desert, all covered up.
Yes these all happened just a short while ago with a Thai ACMI company.
Better jobs out there folks.
A half way decent company, not like these Thai ones, fly anything , no rules or regs allowed.
Even down to the sim checks, all pencil whipped, yet the Thai DCA allows this to continue.
Either fly or go home as they say, even if you are overdue by many months.
Been there done that.
What a low life operation with these Thai ones that operate using threats and intimidation.
Starts at breakfast in the hotel.
Manager says you wont be paid for this and that as stated in your contract etc.
You fly overtime and its not paid according to the agreed amount before you flew this.
Going to the aircraft you see MEL cat C items that have expired months ago and still open.
No go items signed off as we don't have the parts, signed off as airworthy and in the log books like this.
You say if you are going to lie at least make the paper work look honest in case we are ramp checked.
Yet you complain about this to the C/P you are labeled as a troublemaker.
All fire warnings have to be considered as false, even when they burn a hole through the engine cowling.
Same aircraft shells an engine out, parts all over the desert, all covered up.
Yes these all happened just a short while ago with a Thai ACMI company.
Better jobs out there folks.
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Can you be specific?
Earl,
Can you be specific, what airlines are doing this?
Is Thai air is included in your round up of " Thai airlines"?
Would you consider writing a letter to US FAA/ and NTSB as they are keeping Thailand at a category 1 "safe" status ( I believe).
This is what pisses me off - this whole country is nothing but one big lie and those people on Flight 269 were suckered into believing Thai commercial aviation is regulated properly .
This is what I want to uncover, just so people know and can make an INFORMED choice on whether to visit T land or not
Can you be specific, what airlines are doing this?
Is Thai air is included in your round up of " Thai airlines"?
Would you consider writing a letter to US FAA/ and NTSB as they are keeping Thailand at a category 1 "safe" status ( I believe).
This is what pisses me off - this whole country is nothing but one big lie and those people on Flight 269 were suckered into believing Thai commercial aviation is regulated properly .
This is what I want to uncover, just so people know and can make an INFORMED choice on whether to visit T land or not
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Seems One-Two-Go might be flying again soon. Bangkok Thailand business, economic,market
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obvious reasons
folks will visit Thailand anyway....for the obvious reasons
Many people would be willing to shrug off illegal, corrupt and dangerous aviation if those put in harm's way were only the sexual deviants who prey upon children. However, because Thailand markets herself as an exotic, friendly and affordable tourist destination, many of the travelers to Thailand are recent college grads and young retirees. These past, and potentially future, victims are not getting what they deserve.
The only route to aviation safety is accountability.
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The only route to aviation safety is accountability.
If so, you are sadly mistaken.
You will get absolutely nowhere trying to besmirch Thailand's reputation with such tactics...except to be totally ignored.
In other words, you are a fool.
Why am I not surprised....
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Did I misunderstand your "obvious reasons" comment? If so, please clarify.
A pleasant inexpensive holiday with friendly local folks is a good reason, don't you think?
Painting the Thai aviation scene with such a broad derogatory brush is uncalled for, IMO.