Phuket Air Safety Issues
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Phuket Air Safety Issues
Orient Thai is not alone with incidents in the recent past. This reborn airline called Phuket Air has had it's share of safety issues as well. However, Phuket Air seems to have an in with the Thai DCA as it tends to look the other way and ignore all of Phuket Air's troubles.
Phuket Air had a recent incident where one of their 747-300's registration HS-VAN flew thru a thunderstorm at 37,000 feet with a full load of passengers. Reports from the cabin crew and passengers were of total terror
as the aircraft went into this storm at night in Indonesian airspace. There was +/- 2,000 feet in altitude deviations with the thrust at max and airspeed down to the stick shaker, they almost stalled it. This particular flight was operated by an Italian crew, ex Ocean Air which migrated to Phuket Air. The WX radar, both systems, had been inop for more than 3 weeks.
This incident came after 2 other incidents of altitude busts, one in Saudi Airspace, and another over the Indian ocean with Indonesian Pilots at the helm. Before that 2 back to back departues out of Jeddah with Engine Fire warnings, dumped fuel and returned to Jeddah. They refueled and took off with a different crew and had yet again another engine fire warning, dumped fuel and returned.
Then the recent evacuation in Madinah with a cargo fire warning, see this link in the news http://www.etravelblackboard.com/ind...id=73065&nav=2
was yet another incident amongst numerous others that are unreported.
How long can the Thai DCA allow this to continue ? Let alone the Saudi PCA.
Phuket Air had a recent incident where one of their 747-300's registration HS-VAN flew thru a thunderstorm at 37,000 feet with a full load of passengers. Reports from the cabin crew and passengers were of total terror
as the aircraft went into this storm at night in Indonesian airspace. There was +/- 2,000 feet in altitude deviations with the thrust at max and airspeed down to the stick shaker, they almost stalled it. This particular flight was operated by an Italian crew, ex Ocean Air which migrated to Phuket Air. The WX radar, both systems, had been inop for more than 3 weeks.This incident came after 2 other incidents of altitude busts, one in Saudi Airspace, and another over the Indian ocean with Indonesian Pilots at the helm. Before that 2 back to back departues out of Jeddah with Engine Fire warnings, dumped fuel and returned to Jeddah. They refueled and took off with a different crew and had yet again another engine fire warning, dumped fuel and returned.
Then the recent evacuation in Madinah with a cargo fire warning, see this link in the news http://www.etravelblackboard.com/ind...id=73065&nav=2
was yet another incident amongst numerous others that are unreported.
How long can the Thai DCA allow this to continue ? Let alone the Saudi PCA.
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How long can the Thai DCA allow this to continue ? Let alone the Saudi PCA.
I have worked in both areas, with both CAA's
Your story reference Phuket is a good one, but how do you know some of the details? i.e. speed back to the stick shakers etc.
I have some even more frightning stories about the same organization, but nothing i could discuss on PPRuNe. pm me if you like.
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The Thai DCA are a minefield and you ain't gonta change them!!!!
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Surely you jest cool dude.
Same one, CP that promote the old PIA Captain over training.
Same PIA training Captain caught on airplane administering check ride and deported from Jiddah days ago.
Banned from kingdom reason because overflying restricted area Medina Mousk with PIA.
Think no one see, huh!
Same one, CP that promote the old PIA Captain over training.
Same PIA training Captain caught on airplane administering check ride and deported from Jiddah days ago.
Banned from kingdom reason because overflying restricted area Medina Mousk with PIA.
Think no one see, huh!
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Disgruntled former employees????
All this sounds like a lot of former disgruntled employees complaining ??? what details on the incident. could only be known to an insider???. maybe phuket air owes you monies.
anyway sorry to burst bubble. Looks like Phuket Air has been given another long term extension on their contract. Maybe Saudia knows better.
anyway sorry to burst bubble. Looks like Phuket Air has been given another long term extension on their contract. Maybe Saudia knows better.
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Looks like Phuket Air has been given another long term extension on their contract
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Saudi Arabian Airlines, watch out for a crash in your future
I don't like saying those words, but that's where SV is headed with Phuket Air flying for them still. If there was ever an operation that will punch one in, it's this operation. Time will only tell. SV, pull your head out of your xxxhole 
and get control of your airline before disaster strikes, enough said.
i thought they already had? (re punch one in)
isnt one-2-go theirs too init?
isnt one-2-go theirs too init?
ah ok sorry
i though orient thai was the phoenix arising after phuket air so i thought there was a link with them all
cheers though
i though orient thai was the phoenix arising after phuket air so i thought there was a link with them all
cheers though
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Shedding excess fat
Heard to the contrary. The management guy is the one who got Phuket Air out of the European ban and got them the SV contract. Maybe that is why the bosses listen to him. Yup, I heard this guy was cutting down on inflated salaries (rumors confirm that active pilots in the SV project are drawing more than $12k per month and on time 
) and getting rid of some old timers. From what I hear these old timers are a bunch of disruptive no good Bangkok based 'desk jockeys' with inflated egos who got them in the mess in the first place. These guys if rumors are to believed flew less or not at all, argued more, managed less, created problems, spread dissatisfaction and still got paid. Way to go, and I guess it was time to go!
) and getting rid of some old timers. From what I hear these old timers are a bunch of disruptive no good Bangkok based 'desk jockeys' with inflated egos who got them in the mess in the first place. These guys if rumors are to believed flew less or not at all, argued more, managed less, created problems, spread dissatisfaction and still got paid. Way to go, and I guess it was time to go!
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I see that they are reducing crew overtime payments and blaming the contracting airline...... 
For those of you more familiar with ACMI, is it common practice for the contracting airline to refuse to pay overtime for the crews, or is this even their business? After all they would have had an ACMI quote prior to the flight, they either had to accept it or not!
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For those of you more familiar with ACMI, is it common practice for the contracting airline to refuse to pay overtime for the crews, or is this even their business? After all they would have had an ACMI quote prior to the flight, they either had to accept it or not!
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Past, Present and Future
This is the lowdown on whats happening at Phuket Air.
Six months ago the airline was pretty desperate for crew (pilots and FEs) to start the SV operation. Most of their old timers had left due to stop in operations for over a year. They had to hired the some of the worst crew available, fly by night mercenaries, trouble makers and bandwagon jumpers who other airlines wouldnt even touch with a bargepole. Some of these guys had the worst personal and professional reputations possible. However they had to make do and start their operations. The CP they hired in the beginning was a no good pilot with a bad atitude and inflated ego. This guy I believe even demanded pay on flights he deadheaded and asked the airline to reimburse his personal bills. Most of these guys bickered among each other, flew at their pleasure and had scant regard for safety norms. As time passed however they were able to hire some better crew and they decided to get rid of these verm**. Now some of these crew who were chucked out including the old CP are going around making highly exagerated claims of safety violations and rumors about delays in pay. From what I have heard, they have some good crew now, who are doing a good job and are also being paid on time. No wonder, SV gave them an extension of their contract
Six months ago the airline was pretty desperate for crew (pilots and FEs) to start the SV operation. Most of their old timers had left due to stop in operations for over a year. They had to hired the some of the worst crew available, fly by night mercenaries, trouble makers and bandwagon jumpers who other airlines wouldnt even touch with a bargepole. Some of these guys had the worst personal and professional reputations possible. However they had to make do and start their operations. The CP they hired in the beginning was a no good pilot with a bad atitude and inflated ego. This guy I believe even demanded pay on flights he deadheaded and asked the airline to reimburse his personal bills. Most of these guys bickered among each other, flew at their pleasure and had scant regard for safety norms. As time passed however they were able to hire some better crew and they decided to get rid of these verm**. Now some of these crew who were chucked out including the old CP are going around making highly exagerated claims of safety violations and rumors about delays in pay. From what I have heard, they have some good crew now, who are doing a good job and are also being paid on time. No wonder, SV gave them an extension of their contract
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From what I have heard, they have some good crew now, who are doing a good job and are also being paid on time.
No wonder, SV gave them an extension of their contract
Trust me, it has nothing to do with their safety record....Mutt
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Can you confirm that ALL crew got their January salaries COMPLETE with the OVERTIME that they thought they should have gotten?
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Stop playing with your Mommie's Computer and go do your homework
Hey son, you don't know jack s**t 
about anything that happened because your posting isn't correct, not even close.
The current CP has only been such for less than 30 days, and with 2 engine fire warnings in a row,(dump fuel and return), a cargo fire warning with an evacuation, 2 incidents of altitude busts, (gross altitude busts with partial loss of aircraft control) , flying thru TRW with no wx radar and almost stalling the aircraft, crew consuming alcohol during flight (that's the operating crew mind you) and the management looks the other way, so what do you know kid. Go do your homework and stop playing with your Mommie's computer.
about anything that happened because your posting isn't correct, not even close. The current CP has only been such for less than 30 days, and with 2 engine fire warnings in a row,(dump fuel and return), a cargo fire warning with an evacuation, 2 incidents of altitude busts, (gross altitude busts with partial loss of aircraft control) , flying thru TRW with no wx radar and almost stalling the aircraft, crew consuming alcohol during flight (that's the operating crew mind you) and the management looks the other way, so what do you know kid. Go do your homework and stop playing with your Mommie's computer.