R22 Beta missing on flight from Nunavut to Greenland
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I can only echo most of the throughts here.
I talked to one global ops ferry company owner in NW US and he said the smallest aircraft he'd agree to ferry (I mean, his pilots for the company), is Caravan or similar, at least single turbine and capabilities/space for long range tanks. He said he 'lost too many' pilots flying piston twins etc.
Yes, some people have crossed over OK, the Super Cub that towed me up in glider behind in the North of Emerald Isle, the C150 and guy flying via Azores to South/Southern Africa, this Kompress guy going to KOSH.
Meanwhile (so to speak) you have plenty people not making the crossing for simple mechanical reasons, changes wx conditions etc.
I just read on another thread here that Ross, 30k hr pilot had fatal crash somewhere in WA, doing the trip from just outside Brisbane QLD. Would have probably met him while in Brisvegas if visiting Caboolture.
Cicare or Kompress, similar experimentals with connected history/development.
A year or two ago, two experienced heli pilots (or at least one of them) had fatal with blade of tail rotor flying off on Safari in Czech Republic. Sadly, big smoking hole. Guess if it were some greater MR inertia heli and there was enough time to react, at least try an auto before it all folds up.
I've seen the R44 the two Scandinavians (helistars.no) at KHIO back in 2008 before the flew it across to Norway. Still bloody small a/c, but flown two up, so much better regarding CRM, fatigue management, planning.
People who want to fly such aircraft over these areas really ought to read handful of tragic accident reports and somehow get a reality check. Silly idea, innit?
The only fight there would have been with THREE bears and one chap within their reach, would have been which bear keeps which leg or arm.
I talked to one global ops ferry company owner in NW US and he said the smallest aircraft he'd agree to ferry (I mean, his pilots for the company), is Caravan or similar, at least single turbine and capabilities/space for long range tanks. He said he 'lost too many' pilots flying piston twins etc.
Yes, some people have crossed over OK, the Super Cub that towed me up in glider behind in the North of Emerald Isle, the C150 and guy flying via Azores to South/Southern Africa, this Kompress guy going to KOSH.
Meanwhile (so to speak) you have plenty people not making the crossing for simple mechanical reasons, changes wx conditions etc.
I just read on another thread here that Ross, 30k hr pilot had fatal crash somewhere in WA, doing the trip from just outside Brisbane QLD. Would have probably met him while in Brisvegas if visiting Caboolture.
Cicare or Kompress, similar experimentals with connected history/development.
A year or two ago, two experienced heli pilots (or at least one of them) had fatal with blade of tail rotor flying off on Safari in Czech Republic. Sadly, big smoking hole. Guess if it were some greater MR inertia heli and there was enough time to react, at least try an auto before it all folds up.
I've seen the R44 the two Scandinavians (helistars.no) at KHIO back in 2008 before the flew it across to Norway. Still bloody small a/c, but flown two up, so much better regarding CRM, fatigue management, planning.
People who want to fly such aircraft over these areas really ought to read handful of tragic accident reports and somehow get a reality check. Silly idea, innit?
The only fight there would have been with THREE bears and one chap within their reach, would have been which bear keeps which leg or arm.
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The only fight there would have been with THREE bears and one chap within their reach, would have been which bear keeps which leg or arm.
Biggest mistake as he wrote was that he tried to pull liferaft from sinking helicopter (he pulled it underwater yet), instead of saving satphone or inReach.
The ice floe was close (50m) and as I understood he was swimming to it not sailing.
Survival suit saved him life, without it he didn't live out even 2 hours.
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Hmmm - chances of swimming in arctic waters in 'street clothes' even 50m are very poor.
Strange the only person to agree with his story comes from Moscow.......
Strange the only person to agree with his story comes from Moscow.......
Can one swim in frigid waters?
50 meter!! Research agrees with the previous poster crab:
The Cold Truth | Vertical Magazine - The Pulse of the Helicopter Industry
He must have been an extraordinary, extremely well trained ice water swimmer then!
The article says that no ordinary human can swim, not even for 10 meters, in cold water (below 10 deg C). Even if you get out of the helicopter after a ditching and even if you are a good swimmer, the cold water will immediately put your body in a state of shock, and you will drown (long before the cold can kill you through hypothermia). Now, here we are not talking arctic cold here, where the water temperature (Sergey to correct me if I am wrong) would rather be 3 deg C or less, than 10 deg C.
The Cold Truth | Vertical Magazine - The Pulse of the Helicopter Industry
He must have been an extraordinary, extremely well trained ice water swimmer then!
The article says that no ordinary human can swim, not even for 10 meters, in cold water (below 10 deg C). Even if you get out of the helicopter after a ditching and even if you are a good swimmer, the cold water will immediately put your body in a state of shock, and you will drown (long before the cold can kill you through hypothermia). Now, here we are not talking arctic cold here, where the water temperature (Sergey to correct me if I am wrong) would rather be 3 deg C or less, than 10 deg C.
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>Hmmm - chances of swimming in arctic waters in 'street clothes' even 50m are very poor.
He wrote that he was in survival suit. Not fully buttoned though so he got water inside and had to take it off afterwards to remove water.
Swimming is my understanding of his post as swimming and sailing is same word in Russian and he wrote that it was mistake to waste time to pull liferaft and not phone.
>Strange the only person to agree with his story comes from Moscow.......
Don't know where you saw that I agree or disagree, I just translated that he wrote on Russian forum.
Here is source http://saon.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?f...0123&start=525
He wrote that he was in survival suit. Not fully buttoned though so he got water inside and had to take it off afterwards to remove water.
Swimming is my understanding of his post as swimming and sailing is same word in Russian and he wrote that it was mistake to waste time to pull liferaft and not phone.
>Strange the only person to agree with his story comes from Moscow.......
Don't know where you saw that I agree or disagree, I just translated that he wrote on Russian forum.
Here is source http://saon.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?f...0123&start=525
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And here he said he was swimming, so I got it right CTV National News: Dramatic rescue | CTV News
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And here he said he was swimming, so I got it right
http://www.ctvnews.ca/video?clipId=6...e%20b0a11f89df
http://www.ctvnews.ca/video?clipId=6...e%20b0a11f89df
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The 3 bears came not together, as he wrote on Russian forum 1 was on first day, 2 others on second, he used same tactics to scare all of them.
Biggest mistake as he wrote was that he tried to pull liferaft from sinking helicopter (he pulled it underwater yet), instead of saving satphone or inReach.
The ice floe was close (50m) and as I understood he was swimming to it not sailing.
Survival suit saved him life, without it he didn't live out even 2 hours.
Biggest mistake as he wrote was that he tried to pull liferaft from sinking helicopter (he pulled it underwater yet), instead of saving satphone or inReach.
The ice floe was close (50m) and as I understood he was swimming to it not sailing.
Survival suit saved him life, without it he didn't live out even 2 hours.
Wet and on an 'ice floe' and he'd rather have a phone than a life raft
Surely even the most basic of liferafts would satisfy the principles of survival, isnt the clue in the name!
Protection
Location
Water
Food
Especially as it was so instrumental in not only basic survival, but even more importantly the polar bear scare tactic.
But that's my opinion, even at NASA the experts opinions on liferafts differ;
http://www.nasa.gov/pdf/166504main_Survival.pdf
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As he wrote search plane was above him just after 4 hours after crash but they didn't see his flare because of fog. He used 2 flares without success.
He had last flare when he saw lights on icebreaker next day and they saw his flare only during last seconds of firing. So it pure luck that he was located.
He had last flare when he saw lights on icebreaker next day and they saw his flare only during last seconds of firing. So it pure luck that he was located.
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R22 Beta missing on flight from Nunavut to Greenland
So let me get this straight......
He swam 50 meters in a survival suit full of frigid Arctic water, managed to drag himself onto an ice flow. Survived 3 polar bears and two nights on the ice and managed to attract Coast Guard with his last flare.....Guy should buy a super Max lotto ticket.
Do we actually know the real reason he crashed. Was it mechanical or did he get into trouble in fog with no reference? I read somewhere his airspeed was down to zero knots. Almost sounds Hollywood!!!! Maybe he should read 'Death on the Ice ' about 70 odd Newfoundland boys who froze to death stuck on an ice flow for two nights off Labrador.
He swam 50 meters in a survival suit full of frigid Arctic water, managed to drag himself onto an ice flow. Survived 3 polar bears and two nights on the ice and managed to attract Coast Guard with his last flare.....Guy should buy a super Max lotto ticket.
Do we actually know the real reason he crashed. Was it mechanical or did he get into trouble in fog with no reference? I read somewhere his airspeed was down to zero knots. Almost sounds Hollywood!!!! Maybe he should read 'Death on the Ice ' about 70 odd Newfoundland boys who froze to death stuck on an ice flow for two nights off Labrador.
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"Hot and High: The article says that no ordinary human can swim, not even for 10 meters, in cold water (below 10 deg C)." - of course, sure... But can you learn a bit about something before posting crap like this ? Go and read https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_swimming
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According to Quentin Smith ("Q"), after his ditching near Antarctica, he was able to swim 100m to his life raft in near freezing water, with his survival suit flooded (and just barely made it). So swimming 50m in similar conditions is not impossible.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2sDIFT6ZqN4 (skip to around 13:30 for Q's ditching story)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2sDIFT6ZqN4 (skip to around 13:30 for Q's ditching story)
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Which is another uncorroborated story.
Yes, you can swim in very cold water, if you are prepared for it - but sudden unplanned immersion is a killer.
I don't know if you have ever tried swimming in an immersion suit that has leaked and started to fill with water - I have and 10 meters would be tricky, 50m impossible.
Yes, you can swim in very cold water, if you are prepared for it - but sudden unplanned immersion is a killer.
I don't know if you have ever tried swimming in an immersion suit that has leaked and started to fill with water - I have and 10 meters would be tricky, 50m impossible.
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Do we actually know the real reason he crashed. Was it mechanical or did he get into trouble in fog with no reference? I read somewhere his airspeed was down to zero knots.
Zero speed and altitude it were readings from his DeLorme inReach after he ditched. It was reason for starting the search operation and also they had last coords from inReach. If he was to recover inReach he would be able to send sms and new coords and would be found early, at the same day I think.
1 (of 2) drive belt has broke.
Flying in the Met conditions that prevailed, one must be a complete d..k....
I have tried those waters, and swimming any distance AND pulling yourself up on the ice is a task I would like to see before I believe it!!
As mentioned before, this smells of Hollywood long way....
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Zero speed and altitude it were readings from his DeLorme inReach after he ditched
Are the Sergey's DeLorme trackings public? What you would not expect is that the DeLorme sends a signal after ditching. Or rather, while the tracker may continue sending position (given that it is waterproof) you not not expect that the Iridium satellite receives any signal sent from a tracker that is covered by water or otherwise has not a 100% clear view of the sky.
That's why in case of satellite trackers (Spot, deLorme, Spidertracks), the last known position is typically several minutes old.
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Should not the R-22 continue to fly on 1??
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As he wrote he wasn't able to continue horizontal flight on 1 belt and was loosing height or speed and experienced strong vibrations and choosed finally autogiration.
He was trying to land on ice floe but ditched near it.
Regarding climbing on ice floe he wrote it was 50cm height and in another interview he mentioned he wasted many efforts to climb there.
>What you would not expect is that the DeLorme sends a signal after ditching.
last reading was
it is from forum http://saon.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?p=168793#p168793
He was trying to land on ice floe but ditched near it.
Regarding climbing on ice floe he wrote it was 50cm height and in another interview he mentioned he wasted many efforts to climb there.
>What you would not expect is that the DeLorme sends a signal after ditching.
last reading was
Speed: 0.00 km/h Heading: N
Elevation: -1.71 m Batt: Normal
Lat: 64.301745 Lon: -60.939575
Elevation: -1.71 m Batt: Normal
Lat: 64.301745 Lon: -60.939575
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Winter Swimming
I met Gordon Pugh who is mentioned in the related Wikipedia article that vova_k referenced. He did advertising for a private bank that hoped that his extraordinary capabilities (to control thermo shock, fibiriliation and cardiac arrest typically provoked by cold water immersion - all mentioned in the same Wiki article) would enhance the bank's brand perception by means of association.
He also was retained as a motivational speaker by a well-known software company to address their annual user group meeting. As motivational speaker for the following year's conference, the same software company chose a double leg amputee athlete who then only a few weeks later proceeded to shooting and killing his girl friend in his own house, and who is now serving jail time. The story, that many didn't believe, was that he thought she was a house robber, and he opened fire (three of more shots) in presumed self-defence through a closed toilet door.
Maybe Sergey would be a suitable candidate as motivational speaker for their next annual conference then
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He also was retained as a motivational speaker by a well-known software company to address their annual user group meeting. As motivational speaker for the following year's conference, the same software company chose a double leg amputee athlete who then only a few weeks later proceeded to shooting and killing his girl friend in his own house, and who is now serving jail time. The story, that many didn't believe, was that he thought she was a house robber, and he opened fire (three of more shots) in presumed self-defence through a closed toilet door.
Maybe Sergey would be a suitable candidate as motivational speaker for their next annual conference then
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Here is public track https://share.delorme.com/SergeyAnanov
Not knowing the area there for the crossing, why wouldn't one fly up to the airport at Cape Dryer and cross from there? It is the shortest distance between the two landmasses with less exposure time over water...