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Old 24th Aug 2013, 17:58   #121 (permalink)
 
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HC Itís interesting to note that some Norwegian companies wonít even carry out training at EC facilityís due to lack of Health and Safety requirements. Thatís not to say EC are slack, the Norwegians are particularly sensitive to these issues.
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Old 24th Aug 2013, 18:07   #122 (permalink)
 
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On the Norwegian sides all companies follow stricter rules laid out in three safety reports from Sintef in Trondheim.

One other difference is that on the Norwegian side the power out take from the engines is limited to 80 percent under normal operations in order to reduce the load on key transmission components.
I should be interested to read the Sintef reports if anyone has access to any links.
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Old 24th Aug 2013, 18:07   #123 (permalink)
 
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Can i assume (im a ppl so please don't get technical) that the ac was intercepting the localiser for 09 as the vis/ weather was bad...... do they use 09 as the approach is over the sea not high land.... i ask as having looked at google earth and having read the metar that an approach to 15 would have brought them direct into wind (140 deg at 20kts)... even in a super puma that's a brisk old wind.

Does 15 not have a localiser/ils and or is the approach unsuitable in bad weather. Assuming they approach to the numbers can i assume that the puma would nose into wind once the runway was in siight??
Runway 15 only has a very basic cloud break procedure, no localiser, so it would be perfectly normal to take 09 with a crosswind in these conditions.
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Old 24th Aug 2013, 18:19   #124 (permalink)
 
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We don't know the aircraft lost power, we do know the aircraft descended rapidly at a late stage with limited/no control.
Reports of power loss only come from survivors, this could easily be confused with entry to auto for some reason.
Also in the northern North Sea, most companies comply with the tighter OGP requirements for crew and aircraft.
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Old 24th Aug 2013, 18:21   #125 (permalink)
 
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I've just received the Eurocopter Safety Information Notice.

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"It is confirmed that this 332 L2 aircraft was equipped with a Main Gear Box with a carburized vertical shaft, this shaft is not the nitrided shaft involved in the two EC225 ditching"
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Old 24th Aug 2013, 18:24   #126 (permalink)
 
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Wiz, not too surprising since all the L2s in the N Sea will be operating with the carburised shaft.
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Old 24th Aug 2013, 18:29   #127 (permalink)
 
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I should be interested to read the Sintef reports if anyone has access to any links.
Here is a link for HSS-3 (Helicopter Safety Study No3) from Sintef. It's however in Norwegian.
http://www.helikoptersikkerhet.no/?d...vedrapport.pdf
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Old 24th Aug 2013, 18:34   #128 (permalink)
 
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172drver,

Just a few comments here does not provide sufficient data to decide what the "answer" is.....as the actual answer is far more complex and difficult to ascertain.

I will say the Stats provided thus far very much beg the question....why the UK side of the Sea has such a poor record compared to the Norwegian side.

Much as HC hates the evidence.....it does appear the Norwegians are doing something right and the UK Teams are not.

I don't think Old Man Luck is rooting for the Norwegians in this.

In Nigeria I saw a similar contradiction....Bristow had lost more Wessex helicopters alone....than Schreiner ever had crashes of all kinds. That ignores all the other types that Bristow destroyed all the while bragging about their wonderful safety record and scoffing at the Cloggies down the road.
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Old 24th Aug 2013, 18:38   #129 (permalink)
 
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I think a lot of the individuals directly employed by CHC, Bond and Bristow who post on here seriously underestimate the depth of anti-Super Puma feeling amongst the offshore workforce. Hatred would not be an exaggeration.

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Old 24th Aug 2013, 18:42   #130 (permalink)
 
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No mayday call and no time for brace suggests only a few seconds. If the aircraft had descended rapidly and hit the water, I doubt anyone would have walked away.
I've heard that the last recorded stable altitude seen on radar was 400ft-ish.
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Old 24th Aug 2013, 18:53   #131 (permalink)
 
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How long before we see the first 189 in the North Sea.

Never with any luck!

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Old 24th Aug 2013, 18:56   #132 (permalink)
 
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AW189, Bell 525, EC175s? I don't see a successful future for the 225 until the next gen replacement.
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Old 24th Aug 2013, 19:03   #133 (permalink)
 
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Does anyone know the registration of the helicopter?
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Old 24th Aug 2013, 19:10   #134 (permalink)
 
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Mitchaa, sorry but it demonstrates a lack of understanding of the nature of a brand new type, to be looking forward to it (assuming you are a passenger).

Moodyman, well you and your mates are entitled to your opinion of course, even if its not a very scientific one.
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Old 24th Aug 2013, 19:13   #135 (permalink)
 
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How long before we see the first 189 in the North Sea.
There had been talk of late 2013 but press reports of earlier this month now state first quarter 2014.


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... it demonstrates a lack of understanding of the nature of a brand new type, to be looking forward to it (assuming you are a passenger).
Agreed.

It's the maths.

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Old 24th Aug 2013, 19:21   #136 (permalink)
 
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.. it must be borne in mind that Norwegians are much better at doing everything.
It must be borne in mind that Norwegians have a Gross National Income per capita that is 135% greater than the Brits even by the conservative World Bank numbers.
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Thanks for clarifying the point about despite a partial cross wind from the right the approach to 09 being the best option given the conditions at the time. Thank you and again thoughts with the families who have lost loved ones.
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Old 24th Aug 2013, 19:54   #138 (permalink)
 
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.. it must be borne in mind that Norwegians are much better at doing everything.
It must be borne in mind that Norwegians have a Gross National Income per capita that is 135% greater than the Brits even by the conservative World Bank numbers.
...and your point is?
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Old 24th Aug 2013, 19:54   #139 (permalink)
 
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Mitchaa, that doesn't surprise me at all, social media excels at whipping up hysteria. If these bods are so well informed, maybe they should set up their own offshore transportation business? Or maybe they should leave it to the folk who fly every day, not just a round trip every 5 weeks.

Ps, as you can probably tell, I am past caring!

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Old 24th Aug 2013, 20:36   #140 (permalink)
 
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As I'm sure most are, awaiting for something more solid regarding what actually happened.....please guys.....
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