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Old 17th Jun 2013, 22:29   #21 (permalink)
 
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I have always been a huge fan of the Bell product. Pity I don't fly them any more.
Looking at this one my first impression was "I wouldn't like to have to replace that big arsed windscreen". And the next thing was "I wouldn't want the Turbomecca engine, just hope that Soloy will have an after market Lycoming or RR"
And the "sub $1m price", not in my life time.
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Old 17th Jun 2013, 22:56   #22 (permalink)
 
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Mmmmm .... shiny!

Is that meant to imply it's a composite structure or just a nice polishing job?

Having said that I like Bells too, so good luck to them.
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Old 17th Jun 2013, 23:10   #23 (permalink)
 
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CGI render makes it look like a cheap homebuilt. Next time maybe employ professionals?
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Old 18th Jun 2013, 00:46   #24 (permalink)
 
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B206Iii MTOW with heavy high-skids 1519.5kg hmmmm so thats drop of almost 20kgs TOW
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Old 18th Jun 2013, 05:04   #25 (permalink)
 
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Just landed last night at CDG , and today I ll pop into the Bell chalet and have a look see and find out more.

See if they have a press kit or so.....otherwise come Anaheim next Feb, either the mockup or the real McCoy will be on display.

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Old 18th Jun 2013, 07:02   #26 (permalink)
 
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Looks great.

If latest technology will allow you to put 5 people in it, fill it up and OGE hover at 30 C, I will buy one !

I am glad Bell are re-entering the market, the 66 needs competition.

Arrrj

PS - would love a 429...they are cool !
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Old 18th Jun 2013, 07:42   #27 (permalink)
 
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You've got to love Bell's bend-over politics in selecting the Turbomeca powerplant in a same-sex effort to satisfy elements of their competitors market. However, I am more than a little sure that this gesture will prove to be a pain in their widely-parted derriere! Why throw away the decades of performance, reliability and moderate operating cost of the Allison/RR product? For me that's one mark down.

The design looks like a poor Chinese copy of a Colibri. That's another mark down.

The rotorhead appears to retain the same autogyro-style teetering arrangement which in practice is a sloppy, slow-to-respond, limited performance system with dangerous susceptibility in low and negative-G manoeuvers. That's another mark down.

Needless to say, I won't be buying one.
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Old 18th Jun 2013, 14:57   #28 (permalink)
 
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Finally....a slicked up Jet Ranger! Oh....Surprise!

I bet the Pilot Seat still sucks out loud, the Pilot Door will not stay open by itself, and the Seat will not adjust.

My old Dodge Diesel Pickup Truck does better any Bell!
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Old 18th Jun 2013, 15:08   #29 (permalink)
 
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I'm a big fan of a lot of the Bell products, but this thing seems to be a bit too cryptic for me, even the price tag is too good to be true.
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Old 18th Jun 2013, 17:08   #30 (permalink)
 
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huh?

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I'm a big fan of a lot of the Bell products, but this thing seems to be a bit too cryptic for me, even the price tag is too good to be true.
What's so cryptic about it?
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Old 18th Jun 2013, 17:33   #31 (permalink)
 
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Seems to me that if you could currently buy a 206A with a flat floor for under $1 million, thats a pretty stinking good deal and Frank wouldnt have a stranglehood over the market with the R66.

With respect to complaints about the teetering rotorhead....not sure whats expected when its clear that main objective on this model is ultra low cost and good reliability.
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Old 18th Jun 2013, 18:24   #32 (permalink)
 
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@Arrj

Speaking of the 429, I had a look see at Air Zermatts new 429 on display here

You'd love it

But forgot to ask for more info on the new ship!
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Old 18th Jun 2013, 19:45   #33 (permalink)
 
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Why throw away the decades of performance, reliability and moderate operating
cost of the Allison/RR product?
What are they thinking?! Everyone on the planet knows how to fix (and get parts for) the RR 250 - well most everyone. Perhaps trying to discipline RR. Like others above, I believe that this will eventually bite them.

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Old 18th Jun 2013, 21:26   #34 (permalink)
 
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Speaking of the 429, I had a look see at Air Zermatts new 429 on display here
They finally got it? Does this replace the EC135?

WRT the new Bell, it is promising if they have identified that this end of the private/commercial/utility market is potentially so big that it justifies a new product to compete against the R66/EC120/EN480B.

Suppose the rotorhead is cost saving, but also surprised it doesn't have an RR 250 or 300 engine.
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Old 19th Jun 2013, 01:49   #35 (permalink)
 
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When I saw this, I thought it was an out of season April Fool's joke.

They've taken the worst of the B206 (teetering head) and the worst of the EC120 (TM). The best thing I can see about it is no broom closet. However that also probably brings the crashworthiness down from mil to EC levels.

Why not just create a civilianised OH58D and call it a B406?

Or just drop the price on the B407.
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why did they not just buy the Marenco helicopter project, it is at least up to date... Characteristics - marenco
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Old 19th Jun 2013, 09:38   #37 (permalink)
 
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why did they not just buy the Marenco
Because the development costs would preclude Bell from offering the Short Light Single (God, what a name) in the sub-1-mil bracket they are currently aiming for.

Me on the other hand, I agree with you 100%. I would go for something like the Marenco with the view to creating an ultra-economic modern aircraft to run head-to-head with the Colibri. If I were Bell I would then package this with a low fixed rate of interest payment plan so that you only have to front 50% of the purchase price.
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Old 19th Jun 2013, 10:05   #38 (permalink)
 
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Agree with Grenville, turbomeca product in a Bell

I love Bell products but they need a short light 429 style single, bit like JRX,MAPL concept they released 10 years ago or so.

Isn't that why operators buy Bell, to get away from Turbomeca, this new product had me excited somewhat then I read the paragraph that mentioned Arrius

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Old 19th Jun 2013, 12:30   #39 (permalink)
 
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I dont think the EC120 market was part of the expected compeition since its roughly twice the anticipated cost.

I would bet Bell probably looked at the Marenco or the KC518 as a license built option or something like that, but if they are seriously trying to stay under $1 million, those arent even close to being feasable.
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SansAnhedral: Seems to me that if you could currently buy a 206A with a flat floor for under $1 million, thats a pretty stinking good deal and Frank wouldnt have a stranglehood over the market with the R66.
This. Frank's machine is as simple as it can get and he sells a boatload of them for a reason.
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