Canada: Training & Employment prospects
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RotorBoy, your points are noted. All makes sense when taken in context.
Regardless, the 47 is a very good trainer, whether heading for a piston job or not.
You are correct, always best to train with an outfit that MAY hire you. The only issue though, is where to train? Train with VIH on a Robbie, but will AES or Bighorn consider hiring you since you never trained there?
To pick an independent like Chinook may not give you an "In" but may also not limit your options with the piston fleets? Perhaps??
Regardless, the 47 is a very good trainer, whether heading for a piston job or not.
You are correct, always best to train with an outfit that MAY hire you. The only issue though, is where to train? Train with VIH on a Robbie, but will AES or Bighorn consider hiring you since you never trained there?
To pick an independent like Chinook may not give you an "In" but may also not limit your options with the piston fleets? Perhaps??
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Working in Canada
How is the job market in Canada nowadays?
I was just wondering if there is any chance of getting a job up there with 1000hrs+ PIC and some 206 time.
How easy/hard is it for a european with FAA licenses to get a Visa/workpermit?
I was just wondering if there is any chance of getting a job up there with 1000hrs+ PIC and some 206 time.
How easy/hard is it for a european with FAA licenses to get a Visa/workpermit?
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With 1,000 hrs getting a job won't be too bad, if you have experience on a long-line.
Check with immigration on getting a work permit. http://www.cisr.gc.ca/en/about/rules/index_e.htm
You will have to convert your license to a Canadian one. If you don't mind high taxes, and lowering wages, come on up.
Cheers
Check with immigration on getting a work permit. http://www.cisr.gc.ca/en/about/rules/index_e.htm
You will have to convert your license to a Canadian one. If you don't mind high taxes, and lowering wages, come on up.
Cheers
and also!!
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Here is an alternate means of avoiding high taxes.
To: TIMTS
If you luck out on getting a job, ask your employer if he would consider hiring you as a contractor. If he agrees, you can get a good Canadian Chartered accountant and he can open a business in your name. It would cost about $600 Cdn.
Once you have started to work you will bill the operator for hours worked as well as billing him for appropriate taxes which you in turn will pay to the provincial and federal governments.
You can pay yourself a salary and this will be taxed as personal income. The rest goes into the corporation. You can spend the corporations’ money as long as it is a legal expenditure. I bought a car for my business and wrote off a computer and all my business expenses.
You will also have to pay social security on your personal income as well as Canadian old age pension. I worked for 11 months under my business and being over 65 I get $34.00 per month for my old age benefit.
Give it a try. Good luck
If you luck out on getting a job, ask your employer if he would consider hiring you as a contractor. If he agrees, you can get a good Canadian Chartered accountant and he can open a business in your name. It would cost about $600 Cdn.
Once you have started to work you will bill the operator for hours worked as well as billing him for appropriate taxes which you in turn will pay to the provincial and federal governments.
You can pay yourself a salary and this will be taxed as personal income. The rest goes into the corporation. You can spend the corporations’ money as long as it is a legal expenditure. I bought a car for my business and wrote off a computer and all my business expenses.
You will also have to pay social security on your personal income as well as Canadian old age pension. I worked for 11 months under my business and being over 65 I get $34.00 per month for my old age benefit.
Give it a try. Good luck
TIMTS: friend of mine tried again (third time) recently to get a job, helo flying in North America.
I tried many years ago, same response, different person.
"We don't need helo drivers up here". Immigration are inundated with them apparently.
However, they still need: nurses, doctors, architects, geologists.......
Lu sounds like a better angle.
Good luck
I tried many years ago, same response, different person.
"We don't need helo drivers up here". Immigration are inundated with them apparently.
However, they still need: nurses, doctors, architects, geologists.......
Lu sounds like a better angle.
Good luck
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http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/skilled/assess/index.html
here is the test , pass mark is 67 .
WOw i scored 81 .
Pilots are one of the required jobs.
I was sponsered by Canadair when i can over some time last century , so it was a doddle . Even managed to get permission to immigrate to Quebec .
See NOC job title.
Quick Search
Find an occupational description by entering its four-digit NOC code.
2271 Air Pilots, Flight Engineers and Flying Instructors
Pilots fly fixed wing aircraft and helicopters to provide air transportation and other services. Flight engineers (second officers) monitor the functioning of aircraft during flight and may assist in flying aircraft. Flying instructors teach flying techniques and procedures to student and licensed pilots. Air pilots, flight engineers and flight instructors are employed by airline and air freight companies, flying schools, the armed forces and by other public and private sector aircraft operators.
Example Titles
air pilot
captain - air transport
check pilot
chief flying instructor
chief pilot
co-pilot
flight engineer
flying instructor
helicopter pilot
military pilot
pilot instructor
second officer
test pilot
>>View all titles
Main duties
Pilots perform some or all of the following duties:
Fly fixed wing aircraft or helicopters to transport passengers and freight
Provide services such as search and rescue, aerial surveying or spraying and crop dusting
Direct activities of aircraft crew during flight, as captain of aircraft
Co-pilot aircraft and perform captain's duties if required, as first officer
Test new aircraft to evaluate aircraft performance
Train pilots to use new equipment, or prepare them for examination to re-validate or upgrade existing licences.
Flight engineers (second officers) perform some or all of the following duties:
Monitor operation of engines, fuel consumption and functioning of aircraft systems during flight
Assist captain and first officer in operation of aircraft as second officer.
Flying instructors perform some or all of the following duties:
Instruct student pilots in procedures and techniques of flying aircraft and in groundschool subjects such as navigation, radio procedures and flying regulations
Train licensed pilots for additional certification.
Employment requirements
Pilots and flight engineers
Completion of secondary school and graduation from a certified flying or aviation school are required.
A commercial pilot's licence or an air transport pilot's licence is required.
Additional licences or endorsements to fly different types of aircraft are required.
A university degree or college diploma may be required.
Structured training is provided by employers.
Flight instructors
Completion of secondary school and graduation from a certified flying or aviation school are required.
A commercial pilot's or an air transport pilot's licence is required.
Transport Canada ratings and endorsements to provide instruction on different types of aircraft are required.
A university degree or college diploma may be required.
Classified elsewhere
Air Traffic Control and Related Occupations (2272)
Ground school instructors (in 4131 College and Other Vocational Instructors)
Classification Structure - 2
Last Modified: 2003/06/12 Important Notices
here is the test , pass mark is 67 .
WOw i scored 81 .
Pilots are one of the required jobs.
I was sponsered by Canadair when i can over some time last century , so it was a doddle . Even managed to get permission to immigrate to Quebec .
See NOC job title.
Quick Search
Find an occupational description by entering its four-digit NOC code.
2271 Air Pilots, Flight Engineers and Flying Instructors
Pilots fly fixed wing aircraft and helicopters to provide air transportation and other services. Flight engineers (second officers) monitor the functioning of aircraft during flight and may assist in flying aircraft. Flying instructors teach flying techniques and procedures to student and licensed pilots. Air pilots, flight engineers and flight instructors are employed by airline and air freight companies, flying schools, the armed forces and by other public and private sector aircraft operators.
Example Titles
air pilot
captain - air transport
check pilot
chief flying instructor
chief pilot
co-pilot
flight engineer
flying instructor
helicopter pilot
military pilot
pilot instructor
second officer
test pilot
>>View all titles
Main duties
Pilots perform some or all of the following duties:
Fly fixed wing aircraft or helicopters to transport passengers and freight
Provide services such as search and rescue, aerial surveying or spraying and crop dusting
Direct activities of aircraft crew during flight, as captain of aircraft
Co-pilot aircraft and perform captain's duties if required, as first officer
Test new aircraft to evaluate aircraft performance
Train pilots to use new equipment, or prepare them for examination to re-validate or upgrade existing licences.
Flight engineers (second officers) perform some or all of the following duties:
Monitor operation of engines, fuel consumption and functioning of aircraft systems during flight
Assist captain and first officer in operation of aircraft as second officer.
Flying instructors perform some or all of the following duties:
Instruct student pilots in procedures and techniques of flying aircraft and in groundschool subjects such as navigation, radio procedures and flying regulations
Train licensed pilots for additional certification.
Employment requirements
Pilots and flight engineers
Completion of secondary school and graduation from a certified flying or aviation school are required.
A commercial pilot's licence or an air transport pilot's licence is required.
Additional licences or endorsements to fly different types of aircraft are required.
A university degree or college diploma may be required.
Structured training is provided by employers.
Flight instructors
Completion of secondary school and graduation from a certified flying or aviation school are required.
A commercial pilot's or an air transport pilot's licence is required.
Transport Canada ratings and endorsements to provide instruction on different types of aircraft are required.
A university degree or college diploma may be required.
Classified elsewhere
Air Traffic Control and Related Occupations (2272)
Ground school instructors (in 4131 College and Other Vocational Instructors)
Classification Structure - 2
Last Modified: 2003/06/12 Important Notices
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Hey TIMTS,
You're very welcome in Canada as long as you don't offer your skills as cheap laber. Ask a normal wage. Too many foreigners are working for nothing and bringing the wages down.
Best of luck!
You're very welcome in Canada as long as you don't offer your skills as cheap laber. Ask a normal wage. Too many foreigners are working for nothing and bringing the wages down.
Best of luck!
ylhelico,
What do you mean about foreigners working here for nothing?
I know of no pilots flying for nothing in Canada. The immigration and insurance issues stomp that on the head. Most pilots who come here have experience so they won't work for nothing to start with. The guys with under 500hrs can't get onto insurance so where are the free workers?
As for coming to Canada. Even if you score well on the points believe me it is no picnic. It will take at least 2yrs whether you apply inside or outside the country.
If you have experience that is required in Canada and can find an employer who will battle through the immigration nightmare (HRDC)..... they may allow a work visa to be issued for you but it takes a fair amount of effort to prove that a Canadian cannot do the job you are looking to take.
You don't need an employer if applying outside Canada but the process is at least 2yrs + and involves about 100 photos of yourself, security checks, in excess of $3000 canadian (without lawyer...) and more patience than you can imagine.
If you don't believe me ask Lu Zuckerman.
It is far easier to float into Vancouver harbour on an inner tube with nothing and claim refugee status. You will then get some help, money, food and somewhere to live. Nothing like the predjudice that comes with being white, educated middle class male....
I just got my permanent residence and it just about drove me nuts. You cannot actually talk to someone at immigration. It all goes through the web or you have to fax a question. Most of the persons working there do not know the system and are as useless as a tit on a bull.
Apart from that. Canada is a superb place to fly. The guys I work with are fantastic and the industry here welcoming and liberal in its opportunities. It is worth the hard work.
Good onya Canada and thanks........
What do you mean about foreigners working here for nothing?
I know of no pilots flying for nothing in Canada. The immigration and insurance issues stomp that on the head. Most pilots who come here have experience so they won't work for nothing to start with. The guys with under 500hrs can't get onto insurance so where are the free workers?
As for coming to Canada. Even if you score well on the points believe me it is no picnic. It will take at least 2yrs whether you apply inside or outside the country.
If you have experience that is required in Canada and can find an employer who will battle through the immigration nightmare (HRDC)..... they may allow a work visa to be issued for you but it takes a fair amount of effort to prove that a Canadian cannot do the job you are looking to take.
You don't need an employer if applying outside Canada but the process is at least 2yrs + and involves about 100 photos of yourself, security checks, in excess of $3000 canadian (without lawyer...) and more patience than you can imagine.
If you don't believe me ask Lu Zuckerman.
It is far easier to float into Vancouver harbour on an inner tube with nothing and claim refugee status. You will then get some help, money, food and somewhere to live. Nothing like the predjudice that comes with being white, educated middle class male....
I just got my permanent residence and it just about drove me nuts. You cannot actually talk to someone at immigration. It all goes through the web or you have to fax a question. Most of the persons working there do not know the system and are as useless as a tit on a bull.
Apart from that. Canada is a superb place to fly. The guys I work with are fantastic and the industry here welcoming and liberal in its opportunities. It is worth the hard work.
Good onya Canada and thanks........
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http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/skilled/
Gives info on immigration , the fastest way though is to have a company sponsor you ( Ie find a job and have them push through the paperwork) .
Gives info on immigration , the fastest way though is to have a company sponsor you ( Ie find a job and have them push through the paperwork) .
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good training schools in canada
just wondering if anyone has views on the standards of training schools in canada, not interested in the ordinary, just the reputable.
Also, I just saw "Blue Thunder"....OK we didn't have a VCR in '83, what is it based on? seems to have the tailboom and enclosed tail rotor of a dauphin, but the turbine seems in the open like a lama???? I'm no expert here, wondering if anyone knows more! Thanks
Also, I just saw "Blue Thunder"....OK we didn't have a VCR in '83, what is it based on? seems to have the tailboom and enclosed tail rotor of a dauphin, but the turbine seems in the open like a lama???? I'm no expert here, wondering if anyone knows more! Thanks
For the second part of your question, try this link to a previous thread about Blue Thunder.
But the short answer is: a Gazelle.
I also notice that you're quite new to PPRnNe so you probably haven't discovered the 'search' link at the top of the page. An awful lot of stuff has already been discussed on these boards so you'll probably find the answer to the first part of your question there.
Regards,
B73
Ooops. Only just seen 407's post.
But the short answer is: a Gazelle.
I also notice that you're quite new to PPRnNe so you probably haven't discovered the 'search' link at the top of the page. An awful lot of stuff has already been discussed on these boards so you'll probably find the answer to the first part of your question there.
Regards,
B73
Ooops. Only just seen 407's post.
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Chinook Helicopters
Try this outfit:[URL=http://www.chinookhelicopters.com/about.htm]
(You probably found it in your search) They were very helpful when I e mailed them and come highly recommended.
(You probably found it in your search) They were very helpful when I e mailed them and come highly recommended.
JAA, FAA & Canada ATPL A+H, IP etc
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helicollege in Langley BC, near Vancouver, has a good reputation- at least as far as I hear. Haven't had any training there myself, but have flown with many who have trained there are seem more than happy with the quality of the training.
They don'y have any gazelles though - but they are indeed fun to fly. I was lucky enough to learn on one (at Her Majesty's expense, fortunately).
http://www.heli-college.com/
They don'y have any gazelles though - but they are indeed fun to fly. I was lucky enough to learn on one (at Her Majesty's expense, fortunately).
http://www.heli-college.com/
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Working in Canada or other "FAA" countries
Was wondering how the market for pilots is looking in canada at the moment.
I have 1000+ hrs total, mostly in 300CB and R-22, and about 25hrs in B206.
I am instrument rated, have longline "experience"...if you can call 10hrs experience, and have completed a dangerous goods (hazmat) course.
Was wondering how marketable I would be around the world, canada especially, with these credentials...
What countries out there accepts FAA licenses without too much conversion?
I currently live in Norway
Thanks a lot for any answers....
I have 1000+ hrs total, mostly in 300CB and R-22, and about 25hrs in B206.
I am instrument rated, have longline "experience"...if you can call 10hrs experience, and have completed a dangerous goods (hazmat) course.
Was wondering how marketable I would be around the world, canada especially, with these credentials...
What countries out there accepts FAA licenses without too much conversion?
I currently live in Norway
Thanks a lot for any answers....
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Canada is certainly not an "FAA" country. If you want to work here, quite apart from getting a work permit, you will need to write the exams and fly the flight tests..... The flying hours will be credited, as long as you haven't logged and PIC time at the same time as anyone else. Am not completely up to speed with the FAA regs, but they used to allow both pilots to log PIC if they were qualified on the aircraft. Transport Canada -and most other regulatory bodies - will not accept this.
They have a pretty informative website Transport Canada
They have a pretty informative website Transport Canada
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Canadian ATPL(H)
Hi Guys,
I have an Australian ATPL(H) and want to gain a Canadian ATPL(H). I'm married to a Canuck and plan to move back to Canada and work eventually. I've checked the tc website but it's not 100% clear as to what exmas/flight tests I'll need for converting an Aussie ATPL(H) to Canadian.
Any help would be much appreciated.
I have an Australian ATPL(H) and want to gain a Canadian ATPL(H). I'm married to a Canuck and plan to move back to Canada and work eventually. I've checked the tc website but it's not 100% clear as to what exmas/flight tests I'll need for converting an Aussie ATPL(H) to Canadian.
Any help would be much appreciated.