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Old 3rd Oct 2017, 17:51   #1 (permalink)


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Airways Aviation Academy

Hi guys

I just would like to have some info on the new Elite Pathways program (ATPL Integrated) of the Airways Aviation Academy based in Oxford.
I've already read an old thread about the school related to when the school was based in Coventry. But what about the "new" academy, based in Oxford Airport, and with the VFR part of the ATPL made in Spain?
Do you have some experience done in this school? What about the instructors and the overall perfromance of the school? Rate of employment after the course?


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Old 3rd Oct 2017, 22:26   #2 (permalink)
 
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I only know what I have heard from someone who started there not long ago. They dropped out after a month, they also said at least 4 other guys dropped out shortly after. It was said to me that some people are failing 5 of the 7 exams sat in the first sitting.

Do double check of course but this is just what I've heard from someone who did it themselves - they lost 10,000 in dropping out but they said it was worth it
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Old 4th Oct 2017, 09:18   #3 (permalink)


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Haven't heard good things about this place recently. The guys that were originally running it have all now left and had recently heard that the company weren't paying their suppliers.
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Very few graduates actually get any form of support in finding a job. Most end up doing themselves and it can take quite a time to do so. Small numbers of students. Take a look at Companies house for a bit of background information on the company.
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I've recently heard that most of their students are Libyans who are on modular (PPL) courses in Spain (Huesca), a way of sorting the wheat from the chaff. Very few European students. They are advertising for TKI's for Spain. Previous CEO has been moved on.
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Maybe I'm missing something, but when was airways aviation ever considered to be one of the big 3? ... I notice you mentioned 'Airways/CAE', are you sure you're not confusing them with OAA?
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Old 11th Oct 2017, 20:55   #7 (permalink)


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WASALOADIE, I think you'll find the CEO along with the CFO, BD Manager, GM, HR Manager, Finance Manager, CTKI, Head of Training, Base Manager all left on their own accord.
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Airways bought out somebody at Coventry - Atlantic? Wycombe Air Centre is still more or less at Wycombe, after a few name changes.
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Airways Aviation bought out Atlantic Flight Training at Coventry. Moved to Oxford so they could be called AAO (Airways Aviation Oxford) sounds like OAA (CAE OAA)but apart from a few hundred metres in location, there is a vast difference between the two. I've never heard od Airways being one of the big 3, I always thought this was L3(CTC), CAE OAA and FTE.
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OAA (which uses the facilities that once housed the highly regarded OATS under CSE Aviation) has been CAE OAA for some time now although I was under the impression they were planning to drop Oxford from the title.

I believe Airways Aero Associates was the airfield operator under which the British Airways Flying Club operated. I understand that both Wycombe Air Centre and BAFC now operate under the combined Booker Aviation branding.
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Last I heard over half the class my friend was in dropped out after a month and some of those who stayed failed numerous exams ... I'd say they're some way off anywhere near the 'big 3' and there are numerous other far better placed contenders for that title.
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The Airways building in Oxford is very nice. Modern and in a good location. That's about the only good thing I hear about Airways. A lot of unsuspecting people are dragged-in by the nice building, fancy uniforms, and glossy PR. A "fur coat and no knickers" institution, sadly.

They tell customers that courses are "nearly full", so they need to pay-up ASAP to guarantee their place on a course. In reality, courses are operating at about a third of their capacity.

I get the impression that they have a significantly lower selection standard than the Big Three. Probably to claw as many people as possible through the doors. A former Airways TKI said that some of the students were "unteachable".

It's not the first time I've heard someone refer to Airways as a "world leader", and a serious "competitor" for the Big Three, but this is complete fantasy in my opinion. It looks like they're clearly trying to mimic the Big Three with their top-end website, global training campuses, and dabbling in "training and recruitment solutions", but they're certainly nowhere near.
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Old 13th Oct 2017, 08:40   #13 (permalink)
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This was the scene at Huesca airport in Spain late last month, which is where Airways do their VFR flight training. It was a weekday mid morning, with clear blue skies, light winds, temperature in the mid 20s - so, a nice flying day !

Their Spain training facility (an office in the airport terminal, size: about 10 metres by 5 metres) was closed, and their DA-40 training aircraft, with their colourful red stripey markings, were sat inactive on the ramp (just visible through the window in the photo). I asked the one person I could see in the otherwise empty terminal about them and he suggested they had "shut down". But he spoke very limited English I don't know if that was permanently or just for the day/week. I think he was the cleaner, but he would presumably know what is happening on a day-to-day basis.

I counted three DA-40s sat on the ramp, but I know there are four DA-40s in Spain and as we were leaving I could hear the distinctive sound of a DA-40 taxiing on to the ramp, so it may be that there is just one student in Spain and one instructor, and they lock the office when they go flying ? It was a very peaceful and quiet location, and the deserted terminal is very clean and modern.

To fill in the history, they used to be Atlantic Flight Training, based at Coventry Airport. They were taken over by the Australian based Airways Aviation on 17th September 2014. They proceeded to fire the CEO, HOT, CFI and about half the flying and instructional staff over the next 6 months. Most of the instructional staff moved the CAE Oxford Aviation Academy.

References to similar changes in posts above will be more recent churn. I'm afraid it is not the place to go for a long term career ! I think there is just one member of staff left there from the Atlantic days.

Airways Aviation moved from Coventry Airport into a building at Oxford Airport in April 2016. They have no connection at all with CAE Oxford Aviation Academy (which used to be Oxford Aviation Training School, owned by CSE - CAE have owned Oxford since May 2012, and it had already been rebranded as Oxford Aviation Academy some years before). Other than the fact they are on the same airfield.

The "Global HQ" on the little brick wall in front of the Airways building at Oxford airport is testimony to the "global" obsession of the owner. They have the building at Oxford, the small office in Huseca, and inactive facility in Montenegro, and a couple of schools in Australia. If there is any more, I stand corrected.....

The old Atlantic Flight Training/Airways Aviation building at Coventry Airport is now used as a ground school facility by CTC (or L3 Commercial Something Solutions, as they now call themselves).

Perhaps there should be a small website setup, called flyingschoolsnamesgeneology.co.uk, so avoid confusion ?
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Old 15th Oct 2017, 18:41   #14 (permalink)


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Heard they're in financial difficulty so if you do fall for the marketing make sure you don't pay anything upfront!
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Companies house filed accounts for 2016 eludes to the fact that if further investment isn't forthcoming or business doesn't increase then future trading isn't viable. Made a sizeable loss in 2015 and 2016 even with new investment. So why then are they advertising for TKI's in Spain? Is it due to the Libyans training there, hoping that they will make the grade?

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