Naples Air Center (NAC) for fATPL
Alex, I do not have any axe to grind and I am not on any track.
When I read the statement that NAC is operating under your approvals, my first reaction was surprise, and then suspicion that they were telling porkies pies. As I recall things, past discussions between you and Richard were decidedly unfriendly, and the feedback from NAC students was not at all good at that time. When I then looked at your website and found that NAC is not llisted as one of your partners, this made me more sceptical.
You have now stated the facts of the situation and in effect have benefitted from a little bit of free advertising.
When I read the statement that NAC is operating under your approvals, my first reaction was surprise, and then suspicion that they were telling porkies pies. As I recall things, past discussions between you and Richard were decidedly unfriendly, and the feedback from NAC students was not at all good at that time. When I then looked at your website and found that NAC is not llisted as one of your partners, this made me more sceptical.
You have now stated the facts of the situation and in effect have benefitted from a little bit of free advertising.
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Indeed, thank you. Like me you will have learned over the years to take the bitter infighting between US schools with a slight pinch of salt. Thankfully one or two of the more 'colourful' characters have retired.
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Thanks all for the replies.
This has somewhat confused me even more!
Button_push_ignored: I'm either going to be doing PTT or Florida I'm afraid. I understand your routes completely and can see how they would be more beneficial but ultimately I'm going halves with my parents (obviously paying them back once in work) so their view is either PTT or a school in Florida. I have thought a lot about it and I've shown them this whole thread too, so thankyou!!
Alex Whittingham: Thankyou for replying to this thread, a lot of people seemed to believe Bristol had absolutely nothing to do with NAC. So am I right in believing that it is, infact, alright to go to this school now? Bristol's sterling reputation was one of the main reasons I wanted to go as I saw it advertised on the NAC website, but other speculations lead me to believe otherwise. I have tried sending you an 'email' through this forum, but I can't seem to find where the inbox actually is haha.
This has somewhat confused me even more!
Button_push_ignored: I'm either going to be doing PTT or Florida I'm afraid. I understand your routes completely and can see how they would be more beneficial but ultimately I'm going halves with my parents (obviously paying them back once in work) so their view is either PTT or a school in Florida. I have thought a lot about it and I've shown them this whole thread too, so thankyou!!
Alex Whittingham: Thankyou for replying to this thread, a lot of people seemed to believe Bristol had absolutely nothing to do with NAC. So am I right in believing that it is, infact, alright to go to this school now? Bristol's sterling reputation was one of the main reasons I wanted to go as I saw it advertised on the NAC website, but other speculations lead me to believe otherwise. I have tried sending you an 'email' through this forum, but I can't seem to find where the inbox actually is haha.
I love chipping in to these threads because it feels like I'm going back in time and giving myself the advice.. just to muddy the waters, have you considered Canada? FAA and Canadian licences are interchangeable with a medical and written exam, so you can get both licences with the same flight test. If I could go back in time and do one thing it would be to get 50 hours on floats during my hour building. And an IR. Instead I blew the most fun flying period of my career doing touch and gos...
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Don't get me wrong, I was the king of touch & gos for a while, landing was my favourite part. With a decent wind I used to stop a Cessna on the keys. But now I'd love to go to the US or Canada and rent a floatplane just for the hell of it, but without 50 hours on floats a rating is useless. If I could talk to my younger self I'd say get 50 hours on floats as part of my hour building..
Matt,
There is yet another option.
The only (student) visa that allows limited work is the F-1 visa.
If I'm not mistaken there are 5-6 large flight schools that have the authority to issue F-1 visa.
This allows you to undertake FAA training from 0-ATP.
Since ATP requires 1500 hrs and your FAA CPL 250 you get to work the remainder.
Generally as Flight Instructor at the school where you took the training but with permission from the school you can also instruct elsewhere.
After a total of about 18 months you'll have 1500 hrs of which hopefully 200-300 Multi engine and an ICAO recognized ATP that would allow you to work anywhere that recognizes it without lengthy conversions.
Or you return to Europa-land for an EASA conversion.
Just make sure you log your hours EASA compliant.
In the mean time I have fairy tale for you to read.
None of it is true...of course
Once upon a time in a far far away land there was a flight school by the name of Fantasy Aviation Academy.
They have a nice clean website without the usual excess of necessary information that other flight schools seem to clutter their website with. A little intro video with a trustworthy accent available on every page.
Curiously their aircraft rates are dry rates. They do offer a link to a page with local fuel prices.
This leads to some questions as it appears this is where the "Death by a thousand Cuts" starts in our story as other schools use "wet rates".
Lets say that the local fuel price is $4.00/gallon. Training flight always burn more gas then the manual states because of all the climbs and descends and power changes. Assume 10 gallons/hr in your average 160hp single engine trainer. But the $4 charged is not the price paid as our Academy will have a local tenant rate at their airport and a discount for prepaid amounts.
For the sake of our fairy tale lets say they pay $3/gallon.
That's $10 extra that you pay per hour.
So are you limited to the endurance/range of the airplane for your cross countries and time building? What if you buy fuel somewhere else?
How is this reimbursed and at what rate? Is it reimbursed at all since you rent the airplane "dry"?
When you "wet" rent an airplane you usually get reimbursed at the local discounted rate the school gets as paying you back more would just be bad business.
The Fantasy Aviation Academy has some interesting courses mentioned. None of which break down the hours flown per type of airplane. They also offer an add-on course in an airplane that hasn't been in flying condition since the dawn of time.
The mystery deepens as Individual Courses require a small upfront payment and a refund is at least optional if warranted. The Career Pilot Program is excluded from any refunds.
This is potentially a big red flag. It is fully understandable that a flight school requires your account to remain positive at all times. They are a business and not a philanthropic institute. So if the account person goes home on Friday at 5pm your account will need to hold sufficient funds for your weekend of flying.
This could easily be $2,000 or more depending on lessons planned and contingencies.
Paying $10,000-$15,000 upfront could be a sign of a 'pyramid' business plan.
There is nothing, read nothing that a school needs to pay upfront for you to train. It is possible that your money is used for building rent, utilities, payroll and a host of other things that have nothing to do with your training. There may be no money to give back should you require a refund.
Since you will be training to be a Professional Pilot maybe you'll even sign a training contract that stipulates you will receive no refunds. Ever.
Keep in mind that life may interfere.
Death or serious illness of a loved one back home.
What about illness on you part?
Naturally you can always come back to finish but what if you can't? Don't want to?
Loosing out on $1500 will sting but loosing out on $15,000 or more will hurt.
Fantasy Aviation Academy knows what is good for you and encourages you to buy all course requirements through them
Makes you wonder what the mark-up is and if there is a perfectly stocked Pilot Supply store on the field. Who knows.
Maybe a google search will give you that answer.
Fantasy Aviation Academy does not list which airplanes are used for which portion of which course. Which means that aircraft of equal or lesser value may be substituted at no additional cost to you....
Or aircraft of equal or higher rates may be substituted at considerable cost to you. You may be strongly encouraged to upgrade.
Potentially another red flag. The 'cheaper' airplane may not be "available" for the duration of your course. You may be asked to fly with career instructors with an airline background and their hourly fee is 4-5 times the regular instructor rate.
But they are "worth it".
Fantasy Aviation Academy understands your a tight-wad student minding the money so they may have a great deal for you. You hear the insurance deductible on the aircraft is $5,000 so since you're a student you'll undoubtedly ding an aircraft during your tenure there. The Academy may offer you the option to buy off the deductible for the small sum of $3-$4/hr on top of your rental rate. Wow, isn't that nice of them. Because the alternative is like...wow..$5,000 out of your training funds
Till you find out our Fantasy Academy does not carry hull insurance as it is not required. A quick calculation leads to the conclusion they can buy a replacement airplane cash out of pocket every 8-9 months or so.
Therefore no insurance required.
Death by a thousand cuts.
You may have an instructor change during a course of training. This instructor may need to "see" certain maneuvers as otherwise he won't know fi you are proficient in them. Makes perfect sense.
Except it just added 3-4 hours to your course. And everybody else's course.
Death by a thousand cuts.
A good school will conduct stage checks during spaced intervals in your training to make sure you are proficient to carry on to the next level.
It is actually a requirement if you train under 14 CFR Part 141 but a good school will do it for 14 CFR Part 61 training also.
It's not unusual that you fail these stage checks as they are generally done by a more experienced instructor who may see flaws your day to day Instructor has over looked. You may have some exam-jitters too.
All of this is normal.
Till a lot of students start failing a lot of stage checks. This means that either the Instructors are not properly trained and standardized or it's part of a business plan.
Alternatively all the students could be potato heads that season.
Slim chance.
Death by a thousand cuts.
Your PPL may take a little longer. Well maybe you were not the Orville you thought you were. maybe your IR will take a little longer, maybe double.
Well, nobody said this was going to be easy so we just soldier on shall we?
Eventually you may realize that your carefully budgeted funds are no longer enough and you decide to drop the Multi engine add-on.
Then you may realize you do not have sufficient funds to even finish the course. Well what if you go to another academy with nice new shiny fast airplanes at a better rate where your remaining funds will allow you to finish?
Well.... Fantasy Aviation Academy can transfer your visa but they can't transfer your funds. See it says so right here on the website and on the contract you signed.
* the above is all a figment of my wildly disturbed imagination and bears no resemblance to anything in particular, past, present or future but hopefully there are enough Easter eggs for you to find your way out of the rabbit hole.
There is yet another option.
The only (student) visa that allows limited work is the F-1 visa.
If I'm not mistaken there are 5-6 large flight schools that have the authority to issue F-1 visa.
This allows you to undertake FAA training from 0-ATP.
Since ATP requires 1500 hrs and your FAA CPL 250 you get to work the remainder.
Generally as Flight Instructor at the school where you took the training but with permission from the school you can also instruct elsewhere.
After a total of about 18 months you'll have 1500 hrs of which hopefully 200-300 Multi engine and an ICAO recognized ATP that would allow you to work anywhere that recognizes it without lengthy conversions.
Or you return to Europa-land for an EASA conversion.
Just make sure you log your hours EASA compliant.
In the mean time I have fairy tale for you to read.
None of it is true...of course
Once upon a time in a far far away land there was a flight school by the name of Fantasy Aviation Academy.
They have a nice clean website without the usual excess of necessary information that other flight schools seem to clutter their website with. A little intro video with a trustworthy accent available on every page.
Curiously their aircraft rates are dry rates. They do offer a link to a page with local fuel prices.
This leads to some questions as it appears this is where the "Death by a thousand Cuts" starts in our story as other schools use "wet rates".
Lets say that the local fuel price is $4.00/gallon. Training flight always burn more gas then the manual states because of all the climbs and descends and power changes. Assume 10 gallons/hr in your average 160hp single engine trainer. But the $4 charged is not the price paid as our Academy will have a local tenant rate at their airport and a discount for prepaid amounts.
For the sake of our fairy tale lets say they pay $3/gallon.
That's $10 extra that you pay per hour.
So are you limited to the endurance/range of the airplane for your cross countries and time building? What if you buy fuel somewhere else?
How is this reimbursed and at what rate? Is it reimbursed at all since you rent the airplane "dry"?
When you "wet" rent an airplane you usually get reimbursed at the local discounted rate the school gets as paying you back more would just be bad business.
The Fantasy Aviation Academy has some interesting courses mentioned. None of which break down the hours flown per type of airplane. They also offer an add-on course in an airplane that hasn't been in flying condition since the dawn of time.
The mystery deepens as Individual Courses require a small upfront payment and a refund is at least optional if warranted. The Career Pilot Program is excluded from any refunds.
This is potentially a big red flag. It is fully understandable that a flight school requires your account to remain positive at all times. They are a business and not a philanthropic institute. So if the account person goes home on Friday at 5pm your account will need to hold sufficient funds for your weekend of flying.
This could easily be $2,000 or more depending on lessons planned and contingencies.
Paying $10,000-$15,000 upfront could be a sign of a 'pyramid' business plan.
There is nothing, read nothing that a school needs to pay upfront for you to train. It is possible that your money is used for building rent, utilities, payroll and a host of other things that have nothing to do with your training. There may be no money to give back should you require a refund.
Since you will be training to be a Professional Pilot maybe you'll even sign a training contract that stipulates you will receive no refunds. Ever.
Keep in mind that life may interfere.
Death or serious illness of a loved one back home.
What about illness on you part?
Naturally you can always come back to finish but what if you can't? Don't want to?
Loosing out on $1500 will sting but loosing out on $15,000 or more will hurt.
Fantasy Aviation Academy knows what is good for you and encourages you to buy all course requirements through them
Makes you wonder what the mark-up is and if there is a perfectly stocked Pilot Supply store on the field. Who knows.
Maybe a google search will give you that answer.
Fantasy Aviation Academy does not list which airplanes are used for which portion of which course. Which means that aircraft of equal or lesser value may be substituted at no additional cost to you....
Or aircraft of equal or higher rates may be substituted at considerable cost to you. You may be strongly encouraged to upgrade.
Potentially another red flag. The 'cheaper' airplane may not be "available" for the duration of your course. You may be asked to fly with career instructors with an airline background and their hourly fee is 4-5 times the regular instructor rate.
But they are "worth it".
Fantasy Aviation Academy understands your a tight-wad student minding the money so they may have a great deal for you. You hear the insurance deductible on the aircraft is $5,000 so since you're a student you'll undoubtedly ding an aircraft during your tenure there. The Academy may offer you the option to buy off the deductible for the small sum of $3-$4/hr on top of your rental rate. Wow, isn't that nice of them. Because the alternative is like...wow..$5,000 out of your training funds
Till you find out our Fantasy Academy does not carry hull insurance as it is not required. A quick calculation leads to the conclusion they can buy a replacement airplane cash out of pocket every 8-9 months or so.
Therefore no insurance required.
Death by a thousand cuts.
You may have an instructor change during a course of training. This instructor may need to "see" certain maneuvers as otherwise he won't know fi you are proficient in them. Makes perfect sense.
Except it just added 3-4 hours to your course. And everybody else's course.
Death by a thousand cuts.
A good school will conduct stage checks during spaced intervals in your training to make sure you are proficient to carry on to the next level.
It is actually a requirement if you train under 14 CFR Part 141 but a good school will do it for 14 CFR Part 61 training also.
It's not unusual that you fail these stage checks as they are generally done by a more experienced instructor who may see flaws your day to day Instructor has over looked. You may have some exam-jitters too.
All of this is normal.
Till a lot of students start failing a lot of stage checks. This means that either the Instructors are not properly trained and standardized or it's part of a business plan.
Alternatively all the students could be potato heads that season.
Slim chance.
Death by a thousand cuts.
Your PPL may take a little longer. Well maybe you were not the Orville you thought you were. maybe your IR will take a little longer, maybe double.
Well, nobody said this was going to be easy so we just soldier on shall we?
Eventually you may realize that your carefully budgeted funds are no longer enough and you decide to drop the Multi engine add-on.
Then you may realize you do not have sufficient funds to even finish the course. Well what if you go to another academy with nice new shiny fast airplanes at a better rate where your remaining funds will allow you to finish?
Well.... Fantasy Aviation Academy can transfer your visa but they can't transfer your funds. See it says so right here on the website and on the contract you signed.
* the above is all a figment of my wildly disturbed imagination and bears no resemblance to anything in particular, past, present or future but hopefully there are enough Easter eggs for you to find your way out of the rabbit hole.
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B2 - so true......
And there's nothing wrong with Canada. Whether it's boring or not has nothing to do with your purpose for going there. Florida is boring too - it's flat to stop the oranges rolling away
To quote Gene Hackman - "I woke up and thought I was dead - but I was just in Nebraska".
In fact, Canada might be easier to get into these days. You certainly won't get better float training, and if you do the IR, you still get to use NDBs, so you won't waste your time learning new stuff for the EASA version.
Suggest you have a word with Adam at Harv's Air (quite close to Winnipeg, which has on average 256 clear days a year). But there are other places, I just have personal experience with them. canada411.com is the nationwide telephone directory - flight schools will be found in it.
Another thing to consider with the DIY route is that you get a viable piece of paper (i.e. a PPL) quite early, so you can take advantage of stray hours, should you be lucky enough to bump into someone who owns an aircraft. If you do a full course, you don't get any paperwork until the end of the course, if you pass it.
Lastly, take a lesson from the scabair (cabair) debacle, and DON'T PAY ANYTHING UP FRONT, except maybe for that day's flying. Schools ask for money up front because students have been known to stitch them up with the invoicing system, but it goes both ways.
And there's nothing wrong with Canada. Whether it's boring or not has nothing to do with your purpose for going there. Florida is boring too - it's flat to stop the oranges rolling away
To quote Gene Hackman - "I woke up and thought I was dead - but I was just in Nebraska".In fact, Canada might be easier to get into these days. You certainly won't get better float training, and if you do the IR, you still get to use NDBs, so you won't waste your time learning new stuff for the EASA version.
Suggest you have a word with Adam at Harv's Air (quite close to Winnipeg, which has on average 256 clear days a year). But there are other places, I just have personal experience with them. canada411.com is the nationwide telephone directory - flight schools will be found in it.
Another thing to consider with the DIY route is that you get a viable piece of paper (i.e. a PPL) quite early, so you can take advantage of stray hours, should you be lucky enough to bump into someone who owns an aircraft. If you do a full course, you don't get any paperwork until the end of the course, if you pass it.
Lastly, take a lesson from the scabair (cabair) debacle, and DON'T PAY ANYTHING UP FRONT, except maybe for that day's flying. Schools ask for money up front because students have been known to stitch them up with the invoicing system, but it goes both ways.
FAA training requires lots of paperwork. Sevis approved school - less choice more expensive, Visa application fees to the school and embassy. Visit to the embassy. TSA approval etc etc.
Canada: Turn up. Fly.
Canada: Turn up. Fly.
Matt, asking Alex if it is alright to go to Naples Air Centre is, in effect asking a salesman if it is ok to buy his products. Under what circumstances would any such salesman say no?
The post from B2N2 illustrates the types of problems which have been reported by students from Naples Air Centre in the past. It is possible that the company now has a totally different attitude, but if this is not the case, having the Bristol Ground School link will not protect you.
I suggest you do a pprune search for feedback ( I found comments from 2014) then find out it the problems reported still exist.
The post from B2N2 illustrates the types of problems which have been reported by students from Naples Air Centre in the past. It is possible that the company now has a totally different attitude, but if this is not the case, having the Bristol Ground School link will not protect you.
I suggest you do a pprune search for feedback ( I found comments from 2014) then find out it the problems reported still exist.
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This is true, I know practically nothing about the flying side, apart from when I was last there one of my ex-students was doing a CPL course and she was having a positive experience, although she hadn't finished. I'm assuming Matt has searched PPRuNe.
B2N2 illustrates some of the ghastly behaviour from US flight schools in the past, hence their generally poor reputation. He left out visa shenanigans and shockingly poor maintenance which also feature(d). It is certainly true that there are ATOs in the US that I would not do business with under any circumstances because of the damage to reputation that would inevitably follow. NAC is not one of those, but you must make your own mind up. If you can't/don't want to contact NAC and ask these questions then suggest you ask Andrewsfield Aviation in Essex, as its their approval potentially at risk if there are any dodgy doings. If you have any doubt, look elsewhere, there are plenty of options in Europe.
B2N2 illustrates some of the ghastly behaviour from US flight schools in the past, hence their generally poor reputation. He left out visa shenanigans and shockingly poor maintenance which also feature(d). It is certainly true that there are ATOs in the US that I would not do business with under any circumstances because of the damage to reputation that would inevitably follow. NAC is not one of those, but you must make your own mind up. If you can't/don't want to contact NAC and ask these questions then suggest you ask Andrewsfield Aviation in Essex, as its their approval potentially at risk if there are any dodgy doings. If you have any doubt, look elsewhere, there are plenty of options in Europe.
Yes Alex, that (past behaviour of many US schools) is why I was sceptical when I read that NAC is operating under your approvals. I suspect that you had to think long and hard before linking your company to any of them.
In Alex' defense, the EASA ground school portion has nothing to do with the practical flight training portion of the school and is very likely for liability reasons registered as a separate company.
Naples Air Center Inc vs Naples Ground School LLC or something similar.
No doubt this connection was known and acted upon.
If a certain way of doing business is part of an intentional business plan than this is guided from the top down.
I have personally worked for a company where the root cause of all the shenanigans was the Director of Operations.
Unless people in leadership positions have been replaced what once was...will still be.
As far as what I would recommend Matt;
Do an extended search on this forum.
Even when you find a thread from 7-8 years ago it can still be useful as some people may still be a member here.
Click on their username, click on their 'stats' and see when they posted on this forum last.
If that was within the last couple for months it is very likely they are still a member here.
Send them a PM and ask for their experiences in private.
You may hear more then can ever be posted on a public forum.
My offers till stands, send me a PM and we can call/Skype/Facetime.
I'll extend that invitation also to the ones that foot the bill, your parents.
I have no connection to any training provider but have extensive prior experience in the flight training industry.
Like everybody I've moved on in my career and now flying something pretty fast that Mr Boeing built.
Now to credit my primary flight training provider for that is ludicrous.
That is nothing more then synchronicity.
Unless the school is the one that is integrated with an employer the ones that claim their successes should also claim their losses.
A website should read " some of our former students have made it to the following airlines after they've left us and pursued their careers" rather then
" our students fly at XYZ because they chose to do their PPL with us " as that would be a blatant marketing lie.
Naples Air Center Inc vs Naples Ground School LLC or something similar.
when I was last there one of my ex-students was doing a CPL course and she was having a positive experience, although she hadn't finished
B2N2 illustrates some of the ghastly behaviour from certain JAA/EASA US based flight schools in the past, hence their generally poor reputation. He left out visa shenanigans and shockingly poor maintenance which also feature(d). It is certainly true that there are ATOs in the US that I would not do business with under any circumstances because of the damage to reputation that would inevitably follow.
I have personally worked for a company where the root cause of all the shenanigans was the Director of Operations.
Unless people in leadership positions have been replaced what once was...will still be.
As far as what I would recommend Matt;
Do an extended search on this forum.
Even when you find a thread from 7-8 years ago it can still be useful as some people may still be a member here.
Click on their username, click on their 'stats' and see when they posted on this forum last.
If that was within the last couple for months it is very likely they are still a member here.
Send them a PM and ask for their experiences in private.
You may hear more then can ever be posted on a public forum.
My offers till stands, send me a PM and we can call/Skype/Facetime.
I'll extend that invitation also to the ones that foot the bill, your parents.
I have no connection to any training provider but have extensive prior experience in the flight training industry.
Like everybody I've moved on in my career and now flying something pretty fast that Mr Boeing built.
Now to credit my primary flight training provider for that is ludicrous.
That is nothing more then synchronicity.
Unless the school is the one that is integrated with an employer the ones that claim their successes should also claim their losses.
A website should read " some of our former students have made it to the following airlines after they've left us and pursued their careers" rather then
" our students fly at XYZ because they chose to do their PPL with us " as that would be a blatant marketing lie.
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a great piece about what it wrong with some US flight schools.
I only spent three month as an instructor in the early 1980s.
Then I got a job on a Lear Jet.
Then I got a job on a Lear Jet.
.....I would still advocate the F-1 route as you'll head bag to Europa-land with at least some flight time under your belt.
And there is no substitute for experience.
We're getting a little off topic here but every type of entry level job in aviation has its inherent limitations:
Some of the above should really only be done for one season 400-500hrs max as they offer nothing but Total Time.
I'll still list flight instruction on top because if you do it right it does wonders for your people skills and out for all of the above does allow you to fill some more columns in your logbook such as Night, XC, IFR, IMC, ME and generally a boatload of Instrument approaches.
- Flight instruction
- Banner towing
- Para dropping
- Traffic watch
- Fire watch
- Sight seeing flights
Some of the above should really only be done for one season 400-500hrs max as they offer nothing but Total Time.
I'll still list flight instruction on top because if you do it right it does wonders for your people skills and out for all of the above does allow you to fill some more columns in your logbook such as Night, XC, IFR, IMC, ME and generally a boatload of Instrument approaches.
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If I'm not mistaken, it's still only 100 hours for a CPL in Canada.
When I converted my Canadian PPL to FAA, there wasn't an exam, just an exchange of paperwork, but check that that hasn't changed - it was a long time ago.
It might have been cold, but it would also have been clear - fog to the locals there is 6 km! With one of those big Canadian Goose jackets you will be toasty warm down to -25 - been there, done that.
When I converted my Canadian PPL to FAA, there wasn't an exam, just an exchange of paperwork, but check that that hasn't changed - it was a long time ago.
It might have been cold, but it would also have been clear - fog to the locals there is 6 km! With one of those big Canadian Goose jackets you will be toasty warm down to -25 - been there, done that.
It's 100 for helicopters and 200 for aeroplanes.
The Greenlanders only start putting clothes on when it reaches minus 25...
Matt,
Are you aware that Canada and UK run a Youth Mobility Scheme (IEC) which provides open work permits to British citizens aged between 18 and 30 for Canada?
The Greenlanders only start putting clothes on when it reaches minus 25...
Matt,
Are you aware that Canada and UK run a Youth Mobility Scheme (IEC) which provides open work permits to British citizens aged between 18 and 30 for Canada?
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Thanks for the correction - I knew someone would have the answer!
Is broccoli still the only vegetable in Frobisher Bay (sorry, Iqaluit)?
Is broccoli still the only vegetable in Frobisher Bay (sorry, Iqaluit)?
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This is the worst flying school in the entire world.
My friend and I came all the way from Denmark to take the pilot training here. When we showed up, we where met by two angry secretaries and a very weird smell. It seemed like they had no idea that we where coming and we got absolutely no help to figure any thing out.
The aircrafts looked very old and definitely not like anything you would ever feel safe in. The classrooms where dirty and we later found out that the weird smell came because they where feeding a lot of cats inside the building. There where cat hair and dust all over the place.
Later we got invited over to some of the other students house where they told us not to go to this school. Many of them had lost a great amount of money and all of them have had very bad experiences with the school. We decided to start with the private pilot license and see if we wanted to continue after that with the rest of the course/education/program. The next day we went to the owner of the school, Richard, to tell him the plan and that we would start with the PPL only.
He got very mad, sent us out of the school and terminated us (took our visas so we had to go home to DK) plus he kept the 1000 dollars that we each had payed in deposit to start on the school.
Here we where standing, two young guys with their dream of becoming a commercial pilot broken, no place to go and we had used a lot of money to travel to the states and put a lot of time into everything.
Now I am a military pilot and it has been 4-5 years since my experience with them, but I would think twice before going to this school, I mean it was Naples Air Center who also trained the 09/11 guys.
My friend and I came all the way from Denmark to take the pilot training here. When we showed up, we where met by two angry secretaries and a very weird smell. It seemed like they had no idea that we where coming and we got absolutely no help to figure any thing out.
The aircrafts looked very old and definitely not like anything you would ever feel safe in. The classrooms where dirty and we later found out that the weird smell came because they where feeding a lot of cats inside the building. There where cat hair and dust all over the place.
Later we got invited over to some of the other students house where they told us not to go to this school. Many of them had lost a great amount of money and all of them have had very bad experiences with the school. We decided to start with the private pilot license and see if we wanted to continue after that with the rest of the course/education/program. The next day we went to the owner of the school, Richard, to tell him the plan and that we would start with the PPL only.
He got very mad, sent us out of the school and terminated us (took our visas so we had to go home to DK) plus he kept the 1000 dollars that we each had payed in deposit to start on the school.
Here we where standing, two young guys with their dream of becoming a commercial pilot broken, no place to go and we had used a lot of money to travel to the states and put a lot of time into everything.
Now I am a military pilot and it has been 4-5 years since my experience with them, but I would think twice before going to this school, I mean it was Naples Air Center who also trained the 09/11 guys.
I mean it was Naples Air Center who also trained the 09/11 guys.
Why didn’t you post 4-5 years ago?
May have saved a lot of people trouble.
Still, thanks for sharing your experience.