OAT (Oxford) - the thread, reborn (Part XXVII)!
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Did all my training at Oxford, theory and flight training was top notch, and the instructors and staff where very helpful. One thing you should keep in mind is that OAT is also an integrated school, so obviously as a MOD student you do feel slightly sidelined and need to use your own initiative on certain matters since you are not held by the hand(no offence to integrated guys). having said that you are paying much less and its a good experience for character building.
Yeah but I've been a flying instructor for Integrated and Modular and plain old PPL.
In each job all I have been paid to do is get Bloggs though his CPL skilltest and then his IR. Thats it. That's all the student wants, thats all the CFI wants.
It really doesn't matter how the training is organised. The test is the same so the ability has to be same or else a FAIL.
There was no added input for Integrated students. How could we? None of the instructors had ever been airline pilots at that stage. Now that I have been one for 7 years and a Skipper for 2 I now fly with Modular and Integrated first officers. I have taught at both small schools and one of the big three and have mates who have done the same.
Its bollocks.
An integrated student knows diddly squat what a modular student does.
Bottom line.
Fact.
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In each job all I have been paid to do is get Bloggs though his CPL skilltest and then his IR. Thats it. That's all the student wants, thats all the CFI wants.
It really doesn't matter how the training is organised. The test is the same so the ability has to be same or else a FAIL.
There was no added input for Integrated students. How could we? None of the instructors had ever been airline pilots at that stage. Now that I have been one for 7 years and a Skipper for 2 I now fly with Modular and Integrated first officers. I have taught at both small schools and one of the big three and have mates who have done the same.
Its bollocks.
An integrated student knows diddly squat what a modular student does.
Bottom line.
Fact.
Cheers
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Now that I have been one for 7 years and a Skipper for 2 I now fly with Modular and Integrated first officers. I have taught at both small schools and one of the big three and have mates who have done the same.
Its bollocks.
An integrated student knows diddly squat what a modular student does.
Bottom line.
Fact.
Cheers
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Its bollocks.
An integrated student knows diddly squat what a modular student does.
Bottom line.
Fact.
Cheers
WWW
In Fact, does the distinction still apply once you've made command? Is it something we need to get clear in the briefing room if we haven't flown together before?
The simple fact, whilst I appreciate your experience, is that views like this are just a simplistic aviation form of class antagonism. Whether someone is a pi$$poor pilot owes more to the individual than whether they trained integrated or modular, have a civilian or military background or whatever else you may chose as your particular bete noir. Perhaps it'd be better if we judged an individual on their merits rather than if their path to work next to us differs from our own.
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An integrated student knows diddly squat what a modular student does.
Bottom line.
Fact.
Bottom line.
Fact.
Caudillo distills the pointlessness of this argument quite well.
I've flown with some awesome operators from both backgrounds, and some who have struggled with airline flying from both too. Particular training school is nothing - what matters is personal dedication to learning and training and a professional attitude which begins on day one wherever you train and ends when you retire.
Opinion!
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Gary
Fellas. I have been a flying instructor training both Modular and Integrated students. Therefore I know with laser like clarity that there was not one extra thing I was asked to teach an Integrated one over a Modular one. Nothing. Nadda. Nil.
So on the flying side you all have around 180hrs and have passed the CPL skilltest and the IRT. Neither camp has better stick and rudder skills nor any superior decision making skills.
On the groundschool side of things there simply is no difference between the grades achieved by say OATS or CABAIR or Jerez when compared to other well established groundschools. If I were forced to put myself back through groundschool tomorrow I would chose Bristol myself.
The people who pass through Oxford are just people. Some plonkers, some dim, some bright, some hot shots. In pretty much the same proportion as pass through any school.
Their training is reasonably well organised along the lines of a sausage factory and courses tend to run close to time and budget. So thats nice for them.
But don't think your instructors are that experienced. Just look at the minimum experience levels required in their job ads.
So please. There are pros and cons to going Integrated or Modular. But any claims that the Integrated student is somehow skilled or less of a training risk is laughable.
Couple of months on the line and you can't tell the difference between Integrated, Modular, Flying Instructor or Turboprop pilot is my observation.
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So on the flying side you all have around 180hrs and have passed the CPL skilltest and the IRT. Neither camp has better stick and rudder skills nor any superior decision making skills.
On the groundschool side of things there simply is no difference between the grades achieved by say OATS or CABAIR or Jerez when compared to other well established groundschools. If I were forced to put myself back through groundschool tomorrow I would chose Bristol myself.
The people who pass through Oxford are just people. Some plonkers, some dim, some bright, some hot shots. In pretty much the same proportion as pass through any school.
Their training is reasonably well organised along the lines of a sausage factory and courses tend to run close to time and budget. So thats nice for them.
But don't think your instructors are that experienced. Just look at the minimum experience levels required in their job ads.
So please. There are pros and cons to going Integrated or Modular. But any claims that the Integrated student is somehow skilled or less of a training risk is laughable.
Couple of months on the line and you can't tell the difference between Integrated, Modular, Flying Instructor or Turboprop pilot is my observation.
Cheers
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you could add the costs of living/food/extras around £5-10 max i believe?? 
depends on where you live also..some weekly rates for your room at OAT are 150£ per week, 110£ or 100£..so
150x52 weeks that a year has =7800£
110x52 " " " " =5720£
100x52 " " " " =5200£
Of course you have to have in mind that you will not spend the entire 52weeks of a year at OAT.. u will go home for christmas and stuff like that.. but i believe the APP takes around 12 to 18 months to complete so.. that plus food.. it's not cheap. Many students get to hire some places out of OAT after beeing on site a period, my suggestion is that you start looking.. some APP students hire out their hiring house of 4,6,8 students etc during the period they are on the states..many possibilities you have to get it a bit cheaper.. when it comes to thoose prices i can't help u on that..
cheers;
depends on where you live also..some weekly rates for your room at OAT are 150£ per week, 110£ or 100£..so
150x52 weeks that a year has =7800£
110x52 " " " " =5720£
100x52 " " " " =5200£
Of course you have to have in mind that you will not spend the entire 52weeks of a year at OAT.. u will go home for christmas and stuff like that.. but i believe the APP takes around 12 to 18 months to complete so.. that plus food.. it's not cheap. Many students get to hire some places out of OAT after beeing on site a period, my suggestion is that you start looking.. some APP students hire out their hiring house of 4,6,8 students etc during the period they are on the states..many possibilities you have to get it a bit cheaper.. when it comes to thoose prices i can't help u on that..
cheers;
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Sorry I'm not talking about living expenses. I understand that most people won't pass all the exams/tests first time with the hours included as part of the fee. So the extra cost the 'average' student would need for any extra flight time/retests etc
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Oxford selection
Hi,
I'm considering doing my training at Oxford via the integrated course. Could anyone shed any light on the type of aptitude tests used in the selection process? Pilapt?
Also does anyone know how the pass standard compares to say CTC? I guess what I'm trying to say is - Are more people generally rejected than accepted?
Any info would be much appreciated
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I'm considering doing my training at Oxford via the integrated course. Could anyone shed any light on the type of aptitude tests used in the selection process? Pilapt?
Also does anyone know how the pass standard compares to say CTC? I guess what I'm trying to say is - Are more people generally rejected than accepted?
Any info would be much appreciated
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I haven't done the CTC tests but if you want to go to OAT, then you'll have to do them anyway so it doesn't really make much difference how many people pass in comparison, but just for your reference it seems to be about 60 -70%. I did them and pretty much got top marks so they can't be too hard!!
good luck!
I haven't done the CTC tests but if you want to go to OAT, then you'll have to do them anyway so it doesn't really make much difference how many people pass in comparison, but just for your reference it seems to be about 60 -70%. I did them and pretty much got top marks so they can't be too hard!!
good luck!
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oneip1,
Oxford's pass rate is around 60%, but it obviously varies from Skills Assessment to Skills Assessment: on my assessment, pass rate was 20% but I know of someone whose assessment pass rate was 100% - it's all up to you, but it shouldn't be too tricky!
Have a look at the EPST website (http://www.epst.com/) which runs the COMPASS test at Oxford, as they have a test you can try which is fairly similar to COMPASS!
Oxford's pass rate is around 60%, but it obviously varies from Skills Assessment to Skills Assessment: on my assessment, pass rate was 20% but I know of someone whose assessment pass rate was 100% - it's all up to you, but it shouldn't be too tricky!
Have a look at the EPST website (http://www.epst.com/) which runs the COMPASS test at Oxford, as they have a test you can try which is fairly similar to COMPASS!
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OAT Advice
Hi there people. Im thinking about starting the integrated course at Oxford this year and im interested to hear from anybody that has completed this before. I dont want to start a thread about integrated vs modular because this is the route I have decided to take and im fortunate enough to have parents who support me fully in way of financial backing so please dont get on about modular vs integrated. What I would like to know is what its really like from somebody who has done it before. What are the training facilities in Arizona like that they use. Any information regarding the course at all would be great. For example what time does ground school start and end, are you expected to stay on campus when at OAT??? Everything and anything appreciated.