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the oxygen supply on this is gradually turning into 100% nitrogen !
Still no reply to my three questions: the longer we wait, the worse it smells....
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There have been ongoing arguments on her Wikipedia page for months. Now, there is an attempt to remove it which apparently, requires a discussion page where people can vote and make comments on her 'notability' which is the main requirement for an entry. This one was made yesterday which I thought was quite focussed:
'Comment' Is Curtis –Taylor a notable woman who is a pilot, is she a notable pilot who is a woman or has she any other form of notability? I don’t think she passes the first premise as she is not known outside of the subject matter. An example would be Carol Voderman, already a celebrity, who has taken up flying as a hobby and intends to use the skill for various charity projects and as ambassador to the RAF Air Cadets.
The second premise would include a rather long list. Amy Johnson and Amelia Earhardt we all know about but what about contemporaries of Curtis-Taylor? Polly Vacher: A number of solo flights against time in potentially hazardous regions Martha McSally: Kim Cambell, Jeanni Leavitt, Sara Joiner, Helen Seymour, Julie Gibson, Kirsty Moore, Juliette Fleming. All of those are military fighter pilots Kate McWilliams and about 50 others are female airline captains. There are at least 10 female pilots who are astronauts and another 10 who are international winners of aerobatics competitions. So how does Curtis-Taylor compare against their achievements? Well, if she had flown the two trips she made solo then maybe it would be worth looking at. But even solo, while flying a reproduction aircraft in the highest form of maintenance with modern aviation electronics in four-hour stints with the back-up of another aircraft, logistics etc, might be interesting, it's not particularly hazardous or challenging. There are those who might comment that every weekend hundreds of light aircraft owners fly solo (in aircraft, a number of which are 40-50 years old) across the Channel to destinations in France, Belgium and The Netherlands without any form of preparation or support other than checking the weather, route information and relying on their skills. Of course, we now know Curtis-Taylor did not fly solo. Where’s the notability as a woman pilot then? Maybe it’s the ‘Outreach’ program. Outreaching what though? Telling African kid’s they can become pilots? Why not doctor’s or engineer’s? Telling Indian women they can better themselves as a pilot? Many thanks but they have a few dozen fighter and military pilot's already not to mention dozens of commercial ones. Bringing science and technology. What technology is that? So finally, other notability? For more than two years, Curtis-Taylor, her sponsors and PR agents convinced the media, a few aviation bodies, a university and the Royal Navy that she flew solo. Now, having been found out and by her own admission, she admits she didn’t fly solo. Maybe that's the notable bit?178.255.43.148 (talk) 07:18, 1 November 2016 (UTC)
The second premise would include a rather long list. Amy Johnson and Amelia Earhardt we all know about but what about contemporaries of Curtis-Taylor? Polly Vacher: A number of solo flights against time in potentially hazardous regions Martha McSally: Kim Cambell, Jeanni Leavitt, Sara Joiner, Helen Seymour, Julie Gibson, Kirsty Moore, Juliette Fleming. All of those are military fighter pilots Kate McWilliams and about 50 others are female airline captains. There are at least 10 female pilots who are astronauts and another 10 who are international winners of aerobatics competitions. So how does Curtis-Taylor compare against their achievements? Well, if she had flown the two trips she made solo then maybe it would be worth looking at. But even solo, while flying a reproduction aircraft in the highest form of maintenance with modern aviation electronics in four-hour stints with the back-up of another aircraft, logistics etc, might be interesting, it's not particularly hazardous or challenging. There are those who might comment that every weekend hundreds of light aircraft owners fly solo (in aircraft, a number of which are 40-50 years old) across the Channel to destinations in France, Belgium and The Netherlands without any form of preparation or support other than checking the weather, route information and relying on their skills. Of course, we now know Curtis-Taylor did not fly solo. Where’s the notability as a woman pilot then? Maybe it’s the ‘Outreach’ program. Outreaching what though? Telling African kid’s they can become pilots? Why not doctor’s or engineer’s? Telling Indian women they can better themselves as a pilot? Many thanks but they have a few dozen fighter and military pilot's already not to mention dozens of commercial ones. Bringing science and technology. What technology is that? So finally, other notability? For more than two years, Curtis-Taylor, her sponsors and PR agents convinced the media, a few aviation bodies, a university and the Royal Navy that she flew solo. Now, having been found out and by her own admission, she admits she didn’t fly solo. Maybe that's the notable bit?178.255.43.148 (talk) 07:18, 1 November 2016 (UTC)
Just a thought !
In 2013, for the Africa trip, did they tell everyone that it was solo and then when they changed their minds they then tried to tell everyone it was not solo but couldn't get around all the press outlets - so not their fault, then ........
in 2015 for the OZ trip, did they tell everyone that it was solo and then when they changed their minds they tried to tell everyone it was not solo but couldn't get around all the press outlets - so not their fault, then ........
Just wondered !
In 2013, for the Africa trip, did they tell everyone that it was solo and then when they changed their minds they then tried to tell everyone it was not solo but couldn't get around all the press outlets - so not their fault, then ........
in 2015 for the OZ trip, did they tell everyone that it was solo and then when they changed their minds they tried to tell everyone it was not solo but couldn't get around all the press outlets - so not their fault, then ........
Just wondered !
Having met Barry Tempest several times (we once even appeared on the same TV show!) may I be the first to confirm that he is not a 'woman-fearing bully' nor a misogynist.
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Just a thought !
In 2013, for the Africa trip, did they tell everyone that it was solo and then when they changed their minds they then tried to tell everyone it was not solo but couldn't get around all the press outlets - so not their fault, then ........
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Just wondered !
In 2013, for the Africa trip, did they tell everyone that it was solo and then when they changed their minds they then tried to tell everyone it was not solo but couldn't get around all the press outlets - so not their fault, then ........
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Just wondered !
Originally Posted by Libertine
Spirit Of Artemis – The Profit Bird In Flight
Posted by Libertine on 18 September 2013
We were down at the Goodwood Revival Festival last week to bid farewell to pilot Tracey-Curtis Taylor before she embarks on a solo flight in her open cockpit plane – Spirit of Artemis – from Cape Town to Goodwood. The expedition, which is recreating the journey that pioneering female aviator Mary Heath made in 1928, is being sponsored by Artemis.
Posted by Libertine on 18 September 2013
We were down at the Goodwood Revival Festival last week to bid farewell to pilot Tracey-Curtis Taylor before she embarks on a solo flight in her open cockpit plane – Spirit of Artemis – from Cape Town to Goodwood. The expedition, which is recreating the journey that pioneering female aviator Mary Heath made in 1928, is being sponsored by Artemis.
Originally Posted by Libertine
We’ve spent the last few months working alongside Artemis, Tracey and the team to design the branding of the plane.
(Source for both quotes)
So Artemis' advertising agency (of about nine years years' standing with Atremis at the time of those statements), despite having "spent the last few months working alongside Artemis, Tracey and the team", was unaware as late as the 18th September 2013 that this was not going to be a "solo flight".
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One thing Tracey doesn't seem to have realised...
If she had done these flights solo, that might have been something worthy of admiration and an award or two. But she didn't. She says so herself now, whatever she said in the past. And doing flights like that with back-up and someone else in the cockpit is easy, particularly if that person knows about aviation. I could do it. Any one of you with a PPL could do it. It simply isn't worthy of comment, let alone an award. And as for encouraging women into aviation, I suspect that as a female instructor I did far more of that then she did or ever will. No-one gave me an award for that, and I woudn't want one.
If I were Tracey, and I'd done the flights as she had, I'd REFUSE awards. Receiving them would be highly embarrassing. Can't she see that? What sort of pilot accepts accolades for doing ordinary flights?
Tracey, your latest attempt to explain this is only making you appear an utter fool. I suggest you stop and quietly disappear into the background where flights like yours belong.
If she had done these flights solo, that might have been something worthy of admiration and an award or two. But she didn't. She says so herself now, whatever she said in the past. And doing flights like that with back-up and someone else in the cockpit is easy, particularly if that person knows about aviation. I could do it. Any one of you with a PPL could do it. It simply isn't worthy of comment, let alone an award. And as for encouraging women into aviation, I suspect that as a female instructor I did far more of that then she did or ever will. No-one gave me an award for that, and I woudn't want one.
If I were Tracey, and I'd done the flights as she had, I'd REFUSE awards. Receiving them would be highly embarrassing. Can't she see that? What sort of pilot accepts accolades for doing ordinary flights?
Tracey, your latest attempt to explain this is only making you appear an utter fool. I suggest you stop and quietly disappear into the background where flights like yours belong.
It may be worth highlighting the latest developments to the Portsmouth Press. They have already run two articles and I see no reason why a third wouldn't be of interest to their readers especially as it reaches the attendees and staff at Portsmouth Uni and also a large contingent of RN personnel.
Latest one is here:
Bird in a biplane hits back at ?false claims? - The News
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I have had to join this forum because every day since SWB posted the video of TCT using the word solo I've been looking forward to reading the latest chapter in this incredible story in the national press and the suspense is killing me. Is it that journalists are taking their time to write a really considered and definitive piece? (please, conspiracy theorists, suggestions that friendship with royalty is sufficient to confer complete protection from the press don't hold water). I'd hazard a guess that if there was some way the general public could contact Jay S or SWB privately there would be a tidal wave of revelations from people with corroborating information. Makes the journalists' job a piece of cake so I can't understand what's keeping them.
Another thing I've been expecting is outraged women pilots defending the profession from accusations of misogyny. Women pilots out there, is there maybe a grain of truth in those accusations?
Finally can anyone direct me to the reason TCT has given for the change in the original plan to fly solo?
Another thing I've been expecting is outraged women pilots defending the profession from accusations of misogyny. Women pilots out there, is there maybe a grain of truth in those accusations?
Finally can anyone direct me to the reason TCT has given for the change in the original plan to fly solo?
The Times suggested the aircraft cannot be flown from the front seat.
P.S. Perhaps it all depends upon whether or not there is a sole pilot on board?
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Somewhere in the last twenty pages, I recall there's a link to, or image of, five of them being flown from the front seat. Maybe The Times would like to ask our Pprune expert on the subject, Danny, how he flew his Stearman a few years back...?
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I should have quoted Ewald Gritsch her passenger up front..
Bird in a Biplane swoops on claims she didn?t fly solo | News | The Times & The Sunday Times
Mr Gritsch dismissed the claims as “absolute nonsense. People are talking about things they don’t understand. You can’t start the engine in the front. All the flying is done by the pilot in the rear, as is normal in vintage aircraft. It’s quite simple —
Happy to assist:
http://91.189.44.144/vintage/all-abo...arman-history/
Click on the link, scroll down the page and click on the image of the five Stearman's.
http://91.189.44.144/vintage/all-abo...arman-history/
Click on the link, scroll down the page and click on the image of the five Stearman's.
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From what I have seen ALL in-house PR by Artemis/BIAB has been to misrepresent SOLO until being rumbled.
An in-house video was even posted in May 2016 by BIAB on Facebook to conspire with the above, depicting departing SOLO alone.
I suspect she may now say that she was departing to get some fuel. :-)
https://www.facebook.com/birdinabipl...3283639927312/
Someone remarkably resembling Ewald can be seen at 0.5 standing in the background.
Boeing Field have now confirmed 2 POB arriving/departing.
A few photographers have captured Ewald up front, but I suspect this would have just been excused as a local dual jolly point x - x at a later date if this story had not unfolded as one of the biggest scandals in modern aviation.
An in-house video was even posted in May 2016 by BIAB on Facebook to conspire with the above, depicting departing SOLO alone.
I suspect she may now say that she was departing to get some fuel. :-)
https://www.facebook.com/birdinabipl...3283639927312/
Someone remarkably resembling Ewald can be seen at 0.5 standing in the background.
Boeing Field have now confirmed 2 POB arriving/departing.
A few photographers have captured Ewald up front, but I suspect this would have just been excused as a local dual jolly point x - x at a later date if this story had not unfolded as one of the biggest scandals in modern aviation.
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I have had to join this forum because every day since SWB posted the video of TCT using the word solo I've been looking forward to reading the latest chapter in this incredible story in the national press and the suspense is killing me. Is it that journalists are taking their time to write a really considered and definitive piece? (please, conspiracy theorists, suggestions that friendship with royalty is sufficient to confer complete protection from the press don't hold water). I'd hazard a guess that if there was some way the general public could contact Jay S or SWB privately there would be a tidal wave of revelations from people with corroborating information. Makes the journalists' job a piece of cake so I can't understand what's keeping them.
Another thing I've been expecting is outraged women pilots defending the profession from accusations of misogyny. Women pilots out there, is there maybe a grain of truth in those accusations?
Finally can anyone direct me to the reason TCT has given for the change in the original plan to fly solo?
Another thing I've been expecting is outraged women pilots defending the profession from accusations of misogyny. Women pilots out there, is there maybe a grain of truth in those accusations?
Finally can anyone direct me to the reason TCT has given for the change in the original plan to fly solo?
The press are well aware of this site and as far as I know everything that we on here have posted has been accompanied by a link to the source material.
They will have seen the BiaB pages and the endless changes to her statements and her continued refusal to accept that she is directly responsible for people believing she was solo- this attracted awards which are unjustified. The LAA have taken the first major step by rescinding one of these awards. Next it will (hopefully) be HCAP, Portsmouth Poly and the Royal Navy doing likewise. I may be hoping for too much but I am not going to give up. I find her action shameless and offensive to all who have achieved great things the hard way.
As mentioned before. From Sam Rutherford - One story, One version, No changes.
I know who I respect.
If I'm not mistaken, the Australian Women Pilots Association (AWPA) awarded a certificate to her granting honorary membership for, 'Her Solo Flight from the UK to Sydney Australia'.
Obviously like others, they had the wool expertly pulled over their eyes - especially as there are photo's of her happily accepting the certificate. Given the latest revelations, I wonder if that award is to be rescinded?
Obviously like others, they had the wool expertly pulled over their eyes - especially as there are photo's of her happily accepting the certificate. Given the latest revelations, I wonder if that award is to be rescinded?
Youtube link to the video clips is now online here - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZD6IsGmGgw
Her full speech is here - https://youtu.be/lpFQmFx7u8c
Her full speech is here - https://youtu.be/lpFQmFx7u8c
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Post #1874 on page 94 by Jay Sata includes the relevant message from the president of the AWPA to him.
[quote=Jay Sata;9547953]It appears there is a further step back from the solo claims with this news from the Australian Women Pilots Association.[/ote]
Post #1874 on page 94 by Jay Sata includes the relevant message from the president of the AWPA to him.
[quote=Jay Sata;9547953]It appears there is a further step back from the solo claims with this news from the Australian Women Pilots Association.[/ote]
Tabs please !
they had the wool expertly pulled over their eyes - especially as there are photo's of her happily accepting the certificate.
The word "solo" is quite plainly visible. I wonder where the AWPA got their information from ? Would it have been from those pesky unreliable newspapers or given that their delegation just happened to be in a hangar at Sydney on the day she arrived, along with the certificate ? Let's just assume that it was a carefully orchestrated photo opportunity engineered by the spin team.