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Old 27th Sep 2018, 04:53
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After posting the clip above, I realised that Ewald had asked me to either keep the entire email private, or to post all of it. So, here it is in full (the only thing I have done is remove part of his email address), you should start at the bottom:


From: Sam Rutherford <[email protected]>
Sent: 26 September 2018 11:08
To: 'Ewald Gritsch' <ewald@rar...
Subject: RE: Your personal vendetta against TCT and attacks on other pilots


Hi Ewald,

I neither started this, nor can I stop it. Tracey started this, and it’s up to her to stop it.

In the meantime, stop avoiding my very simple question:

Tracey has stated publicly that you never touched the controls at any stage during the three trips. Is this true?

Yes (true) or No (untrue), please.



Answer please, not avoidance.

For all your other questions/accusations/allegations – please post them YOURSELF on Pprune, and I’ll take the time to reply to all of them (though you may not like some of what I say).

For now, simply answer the simple question. Please.



Thanks, Sam.





Sam Rutherford Tel: +32 475 930232 From: Ewald Gritsch <ewald@rar...
Sent: 25 September 2018 18:57
To: 'Sam Rutherford' <[email protected]>
Subject: RE: Your personal vendetta against TCT and attacks on other pilots


Hi Sam,

No, it is not that easy as you say: You cannot set a house on fire and five minutes later you tell others that you are innocent because you had nothing done during the last minute.You could help to stop the flames before the fire spreads and the whole neighbourhood burns done, injuring more and more people.Maybe you were so successful in creating a good story for your arson, that your friends or some extreme individuals (some might be the guys posting so hateful on pprune) have created their own drive and started to ignite new fires everywhere, based on your example. But it is still your responsibility to tell them to stop. As you know very well all the awards given to her (and she did not ask for them), were all based on successfully doing these expeditions and the outreach program, but not one if it for flying solo. Not even the LAA award, as you know the exact wording of it very well (that was also a reason why board / award committee members stepped down in protest against that motion and in support of her). All of the associations and award committees knew that she was flying with other persons on board (including me) before they gave the award to her.Apart from the LAA, all other pilot associations never stopped supporting her, despite the fact that some of the association members had been personally threatened (in words and one physically, my guess is by some emotional guys from pprune or someone who was emotionally stirred up by them). Just another ugly “side-effect”. Your question about the Australian Women Pilots’ Association: I was in the room when the received the award, and at her speech she introduced me personally to all of the audience, as the guy who was flying with her in the airplane on so many legs. As usual she was also talking about all the other team members, other persons flying with her, etc. The ladies presenting her the award were well aware of this not being a solo flight (I had pleasant chats with them before and after), but the publication then was different. They corrected it later on, stating that they knew about me and others from the beginning (guess their writer did the same copy/paste error like so many media). They confirmed the award was given for the success of the flight and the outreach program.Besides I have witnessed several dozen of events and speeches all the way to Australia, in England and across the USA. Telling her story she was always introducing me as part of her support crew, the one in the front cockpit, introducing all the team-members and showing film-clips and pictures (of her together with others in the airplane, not hiding anything). You know that I am not a public person, so I do remember these events quite well. Despite her telling constantly that it was not a solo flight, but with support crew in the airplane and at times in the case plane, numerous media just printed this solo word (guess one copying from the other).Also at the speech in Seattle, where the “famous picture proof” was taken, I was introduced that way, so everyone in the room would know I was flying many legs with her (the picture showed Lady Mary Heath’s original flight routing and there was no mention about a solo flight from TC). You write: From the very start this was about her getting awards and medals for something she didn’t do. Wrong, she has gotten the awards for what she really did, and besides, with or without flying solo she would have gotten the same recognition, awards or medals. But Sam, you miss the point (I guess deliberately): The flights were about something totally different: She mastered the challenges of organising, planning and flying these trips and supporting the women in aviation programs worldwide. The solo story is artificially blown up and was just a vehicle for a different agenda. Yes, she was flying all these trips. As you know she is a good pilot with considerable experience on tricky tail draggers and other airplanes. She was the pilot and piloting hands on – that was her part of the expedition and I never felt unsafe that I would interfere with her flying. Actually I am always feeling safe and relaxed when flying with her, as I have seen her mastering quite some tricky situations (seen from outside the airplane and from inside). Yes, I was borrowing the airplane at various places to do my fun flights in between the program, but I guess that is a different story. Yes, TC had reopened the discussion about the motion on recommendation of the current LAA board! The vote was not according to their voting mode (they changed the mode thereafter to avoid things like this happening again) and they realized that the award had been given correctly for the above mentioned reason. But this is no reason for you and your friends to continue the vicious attacks, as more than enough damage had been done to her and others. Most likely the hot-shots on pprune will follow your words, as you were the one who started the fire. Besides, how would you react if some guy would tell you to stop flying and disappear from the public, best from the planet…would you do that? No, my email is not full of “rumours or assumptions”: I am very very cautious about what I am writing, only sticking to the truth. All that is written there I have witness personally and /or can be proven by statements from other persons first hand.But I have no desire to publish anything, also not that email. In case I would be forced to do so I would rather publish the full story, each point explained and proven by at least one statement or other means, like film clips from Africa (but don’t worry, others might do, but we have no intention of putting these on youtube).Yes, you are right: “the public perception is based on the data available to them” – apart from this artificially blown up topic they know too little about what really happened on the expeditions. I could change that and tell them the important aspects of the story, the whole story…But good news for you: They will see it all on the real documentation covering the trips across Africa, Europe to Australia and America. Don’t worry that one will show the team effort, what is going on behind the scenes and who is flying with her. But the public should see the positive side of aviation and not an artificial war between someone who made it come true and others who (maybe dream about but) definitely never did it.

Ewald



From: Sam Rutherford [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: 25 September 2018 14:01
To: 'Ewald Gritsch'
Subject: RE: Your personal vendetta against TCT and attacks on other pilots


Hi Ewald,

I’ve not been waging any personal vendetta, I’ve not indeed done anything for the best part of the last 12 months (except post twice on Pprune suggesting people move on). From the very start this was about her getting awards and medals for something she didn’t do. Nothing more and nothing less. That remains the case. Just one item I’d like you to respond. One. Why did she accept the certificate from the Australian Women Pilots’ Association for a Solo Flight? ANYBODY ELSE would have explained politely that it was very kind but that they had made a mistake. Tracey has reopened this whole thing. Tracey alone. And she (and now you, and Terry, and the website guy, and all the other supporters unfortunately, will take the hit for it). Good luck with that – the public perception is based on the data available to them, not on the constant whitewashing she’s doing (I’ve lost count of the number of times negative items have been removed from her Wikipedia page). She told everyone it was solo, it wasn’t. For your email. It is riddled with errors, assumptions, hearsay and other rubbish. I cannot waste time responding to all of it but feel free to publish (in full) and I’ll then respond. The whole lot, don’t cut and paste.

“Publish and be damned” as we say in English.

My last email to you was entirely correct, and broadly speaking remains so – you were only brought in to the conversation (by somebody else) because of your email to Terry, where you attack me. Take a closer look, I’m correct in what I write. Always. That is why I have an extremely good reputation in the UK (and further afield). That’s not to say I get it all right, all of the time – BUT – when I do get it wrong I acknowledge it. Until I’m perfect, that will have to do!

Safe flights, Sam.



Note: ‘like happened in the past’ – can you explain/show where I have done this?



Sam Rutherford Tel: +32 475 930232 From: Ewald Gritsch <ewald@rar...
Sent: 25 September 2018 13:40
To: 'Sam Rutherford' <[email protected]>
Subject: Your personal vendetta against TCT and attacks on other pilots
Importance: High


Sam Rutherford,

I am not reading “forums” like “pprune”, where most posts are based on rumours, hate, wrong information or twisted facts. And I will definitely not get involved in any discussions there. Besides was told that several people posting there in defence of TCT were banned from posting, whereas critical posts about you and your events had been erased….very interesting. But since years friends and pilots from England are sending me screenshots of some posts (also yours), showing personal attacks on my person or wrong (technical) information concerning our business/products. The latest information I got was showing that you are planning another public attack on TC, which will cause more collateral damage to me and others. As I told you in the past, TC did a good job by following her dream against all odds, organising and piloting this trip in her biplane across Africa. Definitely there were some factors like the pressure of filming, lack of navigational information from your side and problems with the organisation that made it difficult and sometimes dangerous for her, but in the end it was a success for her, the team, the sponsors and the outreach program. But one thing it was not: A “big money making machine” as you are posting every so often: As you know flying is expensive and filming even more, so a part of the expeditions costs was covered by sponsors, a considerable part of it privately. And ironically you (!) Sam were the person earning by far the most money of all (I do have the numbers of Nylon, as they were planning to sue you after the return from Africa, but agreed on some additional payments on top of the big payments up front, just to get rid of that unpleasant matter and go on with the film production). But now it is time to put your personal agenda aside and stop this dirty campaign.Your campaign to discredit TC has also been an attack on my person and business. I kept quiet all the years, but if you are not calling back your helpers and you are starting to attack again, I have to publish some statements in self-defence (aiming to reach all the people who just heard your one-sided version). This means that I have to go public with the true background story about your expeditions, summarised and proven in the following two ways: 1. Your performance in Africa, a topic which I tried to avoid so far: Problems with team management, flight planning and documentation, fuel positioning, risk assessment, legal documents, etc. It was not at all smooth and safe and professional from your side, as you are trying to tell the public.These problems are confirmed by (written) statements of team members, several companies and other persons involved in our African trip. PS: One more reminder in this context: The “crisis meeting” in Nairobi was not at all about Tracey flying with other people on board, like you told the media. Nylon management and Artemis flew in from Europe for this crisis meeting with the sole topic of dismissing you, based on a number of problems up to that point. The only reason that you had not been dismissed in Nairobi was the tight filming schedule, which did not allow for up to two weeks down time (companies offering to take over your tasks were estimating this time-frame for the new approvals and fuel positioning). Also Phoenix Aviation wrote a clear statement about your performance in this context.When arriving in Egypt there was a second “crisis meeting”of the entire team with the topic of the safety problems we had experienced, your “risk assessment” and “entry issues” in South Sudan & Sudan and your plan that we should continue via Libya, although heavy fights had just erupted in Bengasi and Tripoli (the MOD warned us of becoming potential targets for hostage-taking and the camera team confirmed the just erupted fights by other BBC film teams in Libya). It was a clear 7:0 vote of the entire team against you, as everyone of the team expressed that he/she had lost confidence in you and your “risk assessment”. The general impression was that you are putting “your profit before safety” (quite interestingly you could find this wording also in some reports of other pilots, see 2. below). So the decision was made to fly from Egypt to Crete and to terminate the cooperation with you there, not relying on your support across Libya or Europe any more. PPS: Even before the meeting in Nairobi all of the sponsors did know and were sympathetic with the fact that TC was flying with other persons on board, including me, and ALL sponsors still have a positive relationship with here. A dozen of sponsors (along other people) enjoyed flights with her on this or the following expeditions. 2. Over the last four years I had been contacted by phone or email by a considerable number of pilots from all over Europe (including England), who have taken part in one of your expeditions or events, before and after our African expedition. I had never asked for any information about you and as you know kept quiet about all of it, but interestingly these people were eager to share some information. It seems with your campaigning against TC they became aware of my name. Some of the persons who wrote about their experiences also mentioned that they had been threatened with litigation, in case they would tell about the true events.No surprise also TC was contacted many times by various pilots or even aviation companies, receiving similar kind of information. The world of aviation is a small world and not everyone is sharing your point of view.These pilots were sharing reports about similar experiences with logistic-, documentation-, financial- and/or serious safety-problems during your expeditions and other events.Many reports from these pilots are overlapping with the events around our African trip, mentioned above.Publishing this summary of reports would naturally create a problem for your reputation and the reputation of your company, a similar effect like your defamation campaign had on TC.So the intention was never to publish all these statements (some even bear the title “warning”).

Nevertheless all this information above would help to correct the perspective of the public and uninformed fellow pilots. Not, as you were mentioning one time, “to discredit the messenger”, but to show the real motivation of the messenger. It is about showing the reader the real trouble and risks of the expedition in Africa, which was definitely not the question “whether someone was in the front cockpit or not”.

As said, the intention was never to publish all this background information and other statements.But there is a certain limit and after all these years of keeping quiet, focusing on flying and avoiding another dirty campaign, the next personal attack of you might change that. The wrong, one sided or cynical information which you have published about me and our products, or which you had been feeding to your helpers and “journalists”, did already damage to the reputation of my company and me personally. You might see it as “just some collateral damage” to reach your goal, but enough is enough.

Sam, you have started this personal war against TC and others – you have done enough damage so far and it is on you to stop it now!I urge you and your (hateful) helpers stop the attacks now, otherwise I have to break my silence and put the full story out in self-defence (which I would not do on “pprune”, but on serious publications). You can be assured in contrast to the campaign you and your inner circle of “helpers” are running, I would just publish the true facts, not adding any personal insulting comments or wrong interpretations - there is a moral and a legal reason for that.But in the wake of this I will not be the only pilot/person to break his silence about your past events.I am a believer in the positive, interesting and fascinating sides of aviation, the positive team spirit of pilots and others involved, but your on-going dirty campaigning is not the world of aviation I want to live in…

Ewald



Note: I will not publish this letter, but if you would decide to publish it, please publish the complete letter and not just some words out of context, like happened in the past. Otherwise I would have to do it in full. Naturally the potential reader would then ask for all this background information and more, which a lot of people would be willing to share.





From: Ewald Gritsch [mailto:ewald@rar...
[b]Sent: 27 March 2018 21:27
To: 'Sam Rutherford'
Subject: RE: Feedback
Back from a long trip I found your last email: You are welcome, Sam.

I'm not a man who likes to create negative emotions. Life is too short and beautiful.
It's a great thing when humans, pilots in specific, are following their dreams with dedication and positive energy... sometimes on their own, sometimes together with others...

....many do, including the pilot who has been unfairly attacked over the last years.
You know my position about that campaign.

Safe flights,
Ewald


From: Sam Rutherford [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: 05 March 2018 16:34
To: ewald@rar...
Subject: Feedback


Hi Ewald,

I heard from someone who told me that you had been positive about me. For that, thank you. In case you were wondering, I have always been positive about you.

Best regards, Sam.
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Old 27th Sep 2018, 05:16
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Ewald is saying the South Africa flight was never solo.

TCT says (see ‘that’ PowerPoint slide and Herne Bay video, plus however many media reports) that it was.

Which is it?

At least tell the same story.

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Despite his strong assertion that 'everyone knew from the beginning that the flights weren't solo' I notice Mr Gritsch feels unable to comment as to why, therefore, awards of solo certificates were accepted and no effort was made to correct the hundreds of media items saying she did fly solo. I'm also surprised that despite his claim of 'an attack on my person and business', he does not threaten legal action against Mr Rutherford or the owners of PPRune.
Her supporters can spew vitriol at PPRune, Mr Rutherford and Jay Sata, they can edit Wikipedia, they can twist the arms of flying institutions and they can try to pull the wool over the eyes of the public but the fact remains there is cast-iron evidence, from her own lips, of Tracey-Curtis-Taylor announcing she flew solo. They can never expunge that clip from the internet and it is the reason why this saga will never go to a court.
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From the email exchange between Ewald and Sam above it is now clear that the TCT battle plan is to flood the internet and media with claim and counter claim trying to hide the whole sorry saga in cloaks and mirrors.

This is even more evident as Ewald and TCT are simply either ignoring or refusing to put any explanation for the words 'Solo' or 'Alone in a biplane' in the public domain.

Their plan is clearly to bully the LAA in to returning the trophy/award that was quite rightly resinded in the first place for deceit and then go public saying I told so, we were right all along.
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Old 27th Sep 2018, 08:07
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Perhaps the change to the LAA voting that Ewald mentions is this, quoted from Brian Hop's post on the LAA forum:-
...the change, presented as a Motion last year by the Board and accepted by members with a vote at the AGM, that ALL Motions had to be lodged at least 42 days before the AGM. Previously only Motions that affected the Articles had to be in by 42 days, other Motions could be lodged much later (either 7 or 14 days prior, I can't recall). This ensures the Board has time to consider the Motion properly. It has absolutely no effect on voting.
As a LAA member that seems a sensible way to avoid a late, possibly contentious, ambushing motion.
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None of the smokescreen or duplicity changes the underlying fact that she ihas been nothing more and nothing less than a liar, the problem of course is to float this underlying truth to the top of the cess of confusion being pumped out by the BIAB PR machine. As long as she can access the mainstream press/media through her network of blinkered associates and keep putting her doctored version of events to the masses then the lies will continue, perhaps of course the upcoming film will contain the truth and an apology to those of us in the aviation community who are so deeply offended by her behaviour to date. I shan’t be holding my breath whilst I wait though.
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Just a couple of things for me to add here having read those exchanges.

In his message to Sam, Ewald is saying that it was the current LAA Board that rekindled this argument.

Yes, TC had reopened the discussion about the motion on recommendation of the current LAA board! The vote was not according to their voting mode (they changed the mode thereafter to avoid things like this happening again) and they realized that the award had been given correctly for the above mentioned reason.

I wonder if that will be made clear to their members who will be voting.



This started out as a SOLO/NOT SOLO argument and that rages on,, but it was in the course of doing the digging that many other anomalies arose with plenty of deception along the way. We heard earlier from Nick Adams how it was all his fault and that Tracey was horrified etc etc. Yet she, from her own lips in the video at Herne Bay, continued to encourage the SOLO story. So horrified that she let this go long after the the mess was beginning to unravel.

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One of Ewald’s assertions is absolutely undeniable. TCT made her dreams come true. She dreamed of celebrity and public acclaim. She came up with the idea of achieving solo flights across Africa and to Australia as previous female pilots had done. The only small hitch was that she did not feel sufficiently confident to do those flights without someone more experienced with her. But that was just a small detail. Now that the flights have been achieved the argument from her and her supporters is “why quibble about this small detail when the flights were such a triumph of planning, navigation and logistics?” The answer is that it is that small detail upon which the entire edifice was built. It cannot now be waived away as if it were irrelevant, as much as TCT, Ewald and co might wish it could.
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While Tracey Curtis-Taylor lies and denies and poses and postures herself as some kind of pioneer woman pilot, "Alone in an open cockpit" or "Solo" or "sole pilot", these three women were flying a 787 (without a man in the cockpit, and probably not sponsored by Boeing) from Brunei to Saudi Arabia. They also flew the return sector.

They are the real deal. She is bogus.
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That's kind of the point.

I've only done two things which were similar. Because you do need a hook for the media, sponsors etc., I understand that completely.
  1. First expedition to drive from London to Singapore without the use of ferries. Thank you Eurotunnel! Not a biggie, but we did have to do a few detours to find bridges rather than the obvious ferry crossings. If we had taken a boat/ferry, then we would no longer have been able to make the claim.
  2. First (and still only) team to telemark Aconcagua. Same, if in the end we'd not been able to telemark it, we wouldn't have been able to claim it.
There are always obstacles to aiming high (otherwise it wouldn't interest sponsors/press), and so failure is normal and perfectly acceptable (though very disappointing). But, if you decide to change the plan for something easier, you have to tell everyone!
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As Sam has published the message from Herr Gritsch, I believe that, despite Herr Gritsch saying that he doesn’t read this forum, he may occasionally see posts from it. In the hope that that is the case, here is a message for him written in the hope that he may be able to help find a solution to this problem.

I have written it in German both in respect to Herr Gritsch and also to avoid possible misunderstandings in translation. I have followed it with an English translation.

Sehr geehrter Herr Gritsch

Obwohl sie behaupten diese Forum nicht zu lesen, in den Fall daß es doch unter ihre Augen fallen sollte, würde ich sie höflichst bitten Frau Curtis-Taylor zu überzeugen daß es liegt in seine eigene Interesse an die drei Fragen die mehrmals hier wiederholt würden Stellung zu nehmen.

Entweder kann sie gut und überzeugende Antworte dazu geben, oder kann sie es nicht. Seine kontinuierliche Stillschweigen darüber ist und bleibt der Hauptgrund für die Vorwürfe die gegen ihr hier immer noch ausgedrückt werden da seine Kritiker glauben, ob aus güten Grund oder nicht, daß die Verweigerung seinerseits Antworte zu geben ist selbst ein Beweis daß die Vorwürfe die gegen ihr ausgesprochen sind doch begrundet sind.

Ich glaube wir wären alle sehr dankbar sein wenn sie helfen würden etwas Licht an die Sache zu werfen.

Besten Dank!

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Dear Mr Gritsch

Although you say that you do not read this forum, in case you should see it, I would like respectfully to ask you to persuade Ms Curtis-Taylor to address the Three Questions that have been repeated here several times.

Either she can provide good and convincing answers or she can not. Her continuing silence over them is and remains the main reason for the accusations made here against her as her critics believe, whether for good reason or bad, that her refusal to give answers is in itself proof that the accusations against her are justified.

I believe that all of us would be grateful for any light that you can cast on the matter.

Many thanks!

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I think it is a terrible shame that Ewald describes the people posting here as ,"Sam's hateful helpers" . A terrible shame because 'hate' in its raw state is a frightening and deadly commodity and even people who I dislike intensely , I don't hate.
From what I can see , the majority of contributors to this thread appear to be literate, intelligent and probably professional [or retired professional] people and many from the aviation industry.
I certainly do not hate Tracey , although I do think what she did was somewhat contemptuous . Aviation is a meritocracy ! Even studying for an ordinary private licence requires a lot of commitment and a lot of your hard earned cash . For those who progress into the pro world , it is even more studying and cash , any air traffic people will tell a similar tale . As a [private] pilot and licensed aircraft engineer myself , I have sat more bloody exams than I care to remember [even scraped through some of 'em] But this ,,,is what aviation people rail against ! When someone attempts to dress up a big , expenses paid jolly and make it look like a pioneering expedition ...........and then lie about it to the world !

Ewald , I know you've been asked up on stage . Any bloke who restores vintage aeroplanes to 3G standards can't be a bad sort . So please don't try and go like for like with Tracey with the propaganda and the BS . This is what's burying her !
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Seriously? This thread is still going? I think it's probably time to move on. It's really not that important.
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Dear Max. Please tell that to Tracy and her claque, who keep dragging it up to rewrite history.
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Is Truth important?

Is lying unimportant?

What we are discussing here is the difference between her lies and the truth.

The importance of honesty is perhaps for another discussion, perhaps elsewhere in this or in other fora.

The disregard of her lack of honesty is conspicuous in the "honour" system of a certain old man's club. The disconnect between honour and honesty puts them into the disgrace that they really ought to acknowledge.

The LAA did better, when they became aware of the extent of her systematic dishonesty.
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Seriously? This thread is still going?
Well... going again. I had closed the thread Max, as yes, there was not really anything new, and it was time to move on. And then Ms. Curtis-Taylor reinvigorated the discussion with her participation in the newspaper article, and renewed discussion about an LAA award, so the topic has been opened again for discussion of these new promotions. It's just a reality that that discussion drags up some history...
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Originally Posted by MaxR
I think it's probably time to move on.

'We' had.

If you feel the need to criticise someone for bringing it up again try here Tracey Curtis Taylor - Aviatrix, Adventurer, Inspirational Speaker
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Originally Posted by MaxR
It's really not that important.
@MaxR : Oddly enough Max , You've hit the nail right on the head there mate ! Here is the aviation version of any reality TV star you wish to name . I have asked quite a few of the professional guys in the airline I work , and most of them haven't a clue who this person is . Go to a busy place and poll a few members of the gen. pub. and I can almost guarantee that none of them will have heard of the person who is subject of this post . The only place that this person is famous , is in her head . Unless you factor in some of the bumbling , geriatric oafs in her little bubble who shuffle up to her at the various meetings in their blazers and cravats and tell her what a great message she is sending out to the lesser privileged .

The big regret though is , some of the bumbling , geriatric oafs who have been taken in by her total and utter garbage , just happen to be fairly influential in an organisation which is quite close to my heart . This is what really inflames many . Some people tried to stop this rather undesirable tumour spreading a couple of years back and until very recently were under the impression that they had succeeded . They hadn't !
To the relief of many , this thread died a death on September 7th . Guess whose self publicity seeking instincts caused this thread to re-open ? Apparently , the person in question is trying to promote a film . Not a great classic blockbuster or anything , but have a guess who the star is ?
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Old 27th Sep 2018, 19:41
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Tracy and her claque
Fitter2,

Excellent! I haven’t seen “claque” used for years. Precisely appropriate in this case.

It is “le mot juste” or perhaps for this thread, “das richtige Wort”.
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Originally Posted by India Four Two
Fitter2,
Excellent! I haven’t seen “claque” used for years. Precisely appropriate in this case.
It is “le mot juste” or perhaps for this thread, “das richtige Wort”.
I thought that was a typo but no, it's a real word. Every day's a school day.

In this case perhaps we can invent a new word. CLAAquers.
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