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I am new to this forum and have just read some uncomplimentary discussions about Ryanair via a link whilst reading about today's incident. I fly frequently around Europe with low cost carriers and others, however have never flown Ryanair. I feel like cancelling my flight for the new year after what I've read- that they compromise passengers' safety to meet their tight deadlines. Could anyone (passengers or pilots) reasuure me please or is it true?
I realise you get what you pay for regarding seating, baggage etc and don't mind as it is only EMA to AGP.
Many thanks in anticipation
I realise you get what you pay for regarding seating, baggage etc and don't mind as it is only EMA to AGP.
Many thanks in anticipation
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From what I've heard, one thing that Ryanair does not compromise on is passenger safety and aircraft maintenance. I'd continue with the flight - The birdstrike this morning was unfortunate, as were the incidents involving cabin decompression over France and others.
As much as I am a big critic of Ryanair, I'd still consider them a very safe airline to fly with.
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As much as I am a big critic of Ryanair, I'd still consider them a very safe airline to fly with.
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I second that! I have a bad fear of flying and I am booked to fly with Ryanair on the 20th November to Fueterventura and I am now even more frightened than ever.
I understand that the bird strike could happen to any plane and it was just in the wrong place at the wrong time but the other incidents worry me.
I understand that the bird strike could happen to any plane and it was just in the wrong place at the wrong time but the other incidents worry me.
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Thanks for your quick response and honesty. Can I just make it clear I wasn't blaming Ryanair for today's unfortunate incident; from what I read the pilots should be congratulated for averting what could have been a major disaster.
What I read was regarding heavy landings and flying too low
What I read was regarding heavy landings and flying too low
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Ryanair is as good as any airline in the country, and I don't work for them. I commuted weekly with them and was perfectly happy, and I work in the industry.
Whilst you feel your question is necessary, that's it. There is no justification for casting doubt on their saafety. If you are too nervous, either go by train or pluck up the courage to fly, but please don't keep bleeding about it in a professional pilots forum. You have your answer- if you are still too afraid, then don't fly. It's quite simple. If you can get yourself on the aeroplane, don't make a scene. You have to remember the staff on those planes are happy to fly every day of their working lives!
Whilst you feel your question is necessary, that's it. There is no justification for casting doubt on their saafety. If you are too nervous, either go by train or pluck up the courage to fly, but please don't keep bleeding about it in a professional pilots forum. You have your answer- if you are still too afraid, then don't fly. It's quite simple. If you can get yourself on the aeroplane, don't make a scene. You have to remember the staff on those planes are happy to fly every day of their working lives!
The most dangerous part of flying commercially is the motorway to and from the airport. Especialy in some countries - Turkey, India and Italy always frighten me. Statistically, you are far more likey to be in a road accident anywhere in the world rather than in an aeroplane.
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Firstly, I work in the industry, and have for nigh on 20 years (not as long as Rainboe, with whom I have flown some years ago!).
I believe that Ryanair operate with probably the youngest average fleet in Europe. As such their maintenance requirements should be (a) reduced and (b) under warranty! From that perspective, no issues.
From a crewing and copmmercial aspect however, I would be more concerned.
As I understand it, they use crews from a multitude of states, often with limited skills in english as a common language, and a variety of backgrounds re CRM expectations. Furthermore, I am led to believe that the levels of punctuality expected of them from commercial pressures can be countra safety. As I perceive it, this has led to a number of safety related incidents in the past (CIA and Stockholm come to mind). For me, the above reasons would see me choosing to fly with somebody else, given the choice.
I'd rather be 10 minutes late in this world than 20 years early in the next.
I'm sorry, but it's a big no-no to RYR from me
I believe that Ryanair operate with probably the youngest average fleet in Europe. As such their maintenance requirements should be (a) reduced and (b) under warranty! From that perspective, no issues.
From a crewing and copmmercial aspect however, I would be more concerned.
As I understand it, they use crews from a multitude of states, often with limited skills in english as a common language, and a variety of backgrounds re CRM expectations. Furthermore, I am led to believe that the levels of punctuality expected of them from commercial pressures can be countra safety. As I perceive it, this has led to a number of safety related incidents in the past (CIA and Stockholm come to mind). For me, the above reasons would see me choosing to fly with somebody else, given the choice.
I'd rather be 10 minutes late in this world than 20 years early in the next.
I'm sorry, but it's a big no-no to RYR from me
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I was under the impression that this was a passenger's area of the forum to air their concerns and I am sorry if I offended anyone.
I don't really think you are justified to say i was casting doubt and bleeding about it. I just asked a simple question and balanced this out by saying that the Ryanair pilots should be commended for getting the plane safely down and the passengers off.
I do fly regularly and am not making a scene!
Thank you to all those who replied with a positive response to my post
I don't really think you are justified to say i was casting doubt and bleeding about it. I just asked a simple question and balanced this out by saying that the Ryanair pilots should be commended for getting the plane safely down and the passengers off.
I do fly regularly and am not making a scene!
Thank you to all those who replied with a positive response to my post
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I've worked with them, I still fly on them. Sure, they have a reputation (whether it is justified or not is something different). I'm sure we could all list airlines we think are unsafe ... but there are a lot worse out there. I would never advise anyone not to travel with Ryanair on safety grounds. Customer care ... now that's different. But O'L has always said that if you want to pay bus prices, expect to travel on a bus.
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Well to me, TB, a schedule is a schedule. It's 'you get me there on time, dead or alive, or else!' They haven't killed anyone yet despite their giant fleet. Any misbehaviour by the pilots is severely dealt with (MOL said so himself). I like them, they go ontime, and they are good with schedule.
We Brits tend to worry about the stupid stuff, and not what really is dangerous. Aeroplanes is safe. Go down a High St on a Saturday night. There are Brits who have imbibed/injected/sniffed too much of whatever is their fancy, and they are lying in the street in the dark or fighting. National hobby. They drive- bloody dangerous occupation, especially women drivers doing their lipstick in their rear view mirrors. And when it comes to the safest place in the UK- the cabin of a jet, and it's 'hold my hand, I'm frightened! I need reassurance to fly! I'm too precious to travel on Ryanair!' What! Well go get reassurance elsewhere, because your head ain't screwed on right!
And you can't 'cancel' your flight. You have forfeited the whole shooting match! Now let's see if you chicken out!
We Brits tend to worry about the stupid stuff, and not what really is dangerous. Aeroplanes is safe. Go down a High St on a Saturday night. There are Brits who have imbibed/injected/sniffed too much of whatever is their fancy, and they are lying in the street in the dark or fighting. National hobby. They drive- bloody dangerous occupation, especially women drivers doing their lipstick in their rear view mirrors. And when it comes to the safest place in the UK- the cabin of a jet, and it's 'hold my hand, I'm frightened! I need reassurance to fly! I'm too precious to travel on Ryanair!' What! Well go get reassurance elsewhere, because your head ain't screwed on right!
And you can't 'cancel' your flight. You have forfeited the whole shooting match! Now let's see if you chicken out!
I've flown with Ryanair many times and have complete confidence in them, from maintenance right up to the sharp end. I do occasionally have problems, though, with understanding cabin announcements from those whose first language isn't English. Some of this of course isn't helped by slight speaker distortion and ambient noise (such as pax talking through safety briefings) but the accents can be a little hazy until you tune your ears in.
Then again, I always pay attention to safety cards.
Then again, I always pay attention to safety cards.
Topbunk I have never heard such utter crap in my entire life. We at RYR are never pushed to "be on time" and sorry but there are no CRM issues due to the variety of nationalities. Isn't that what SOP's are for?
Tell me do you not fly Easy, CX, SIA, Korean, Emirates et al because they have all these different nationalities? Here's an idea find me an airline that doesn't have a fairly wide range of diverse cultures and ill tell you when pigs fly! Its amazing what people hear as gossip and then pass it off as fact. The incidents you refer to had nothing to do with CRM from a lack of understanding but rather incapacitation of some sort. Stress on the NYO one and loss of situational awareness from the second from memory.
To the original poster. RYR has an excellent safety record especially considering we operate over 1000 flights a day. Do things occasionally happen? Yes and that is unfortunate but does it make RYR unsafe? No, we will learn from the lessons and try to prevent them from occurring again!
Ask yourself this, do you think I would go to work if I knew it was dangerous? I like to come home at the end of the day as well, as long as I come home you'll come home safe and sound and in one piece!
Tell me do you not fly Easy, CX, SIA, Korean, Emirates et al because they have all these different nationalities? Here's an idea find me an airline that doesn't have a fairly wide range of diverse cultures and ill tell you when pigs fly! Its amazing what people hear as gossip and then pass it off as fact. The incidents you refer to had nothing to do with CRM from a lack of understanding but rather incapacitation of some sort. Stress on the NYO one and loss of situational awareness from the second from memory.
To the original poster. RYR has an excellent safety record especially considering we operate over 1000 flights a day. Do things occasionally happen? Yes and that is unfortunate but does it make RYR unsafe? No, we will learn from the lessons and try to prevent them from occurring again!
Ask yourself this, do you think I would go to work if I knew it was dangerous? I like to come home at the end of the day as well, as long as I come home you'll come home safe and sound and in one piece!
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Let's go back to your first post. I've worked closely with crews from Ryanair easyJet and other low-cost carriers.
As was shown by today's incident, the crews of these airlines are capable of dealing with emergencies and, as others have pointed out, they have some of the newest, both in terms of technology and age, of the airliners flying today. I don't think you can have a better set of circumstances than that.
There is some inherent snobbery in the airline industry towards the lo-cos.
Mr O'Leary has the perhaps unique distinction for an Irishman, of getting up just about everyone's nose, and this has probably added to the overall impression that cost-cutting takes place at all levels in the lo-cos.
I will agree that the PA is sometimes difficult to understand when spoken by someone whose first language is not English, but then foreign airlines, many of them the national carrier, have the same problem.
I understand your concern, but I've flown with them a number of times, especially in the early days, and with forty years' experience in aviation, I didn't experience anything which gave me cause for concern.
I can assure you that driving along the M1/M6/M62 worries me far more than flying Ryanair.
Let's go back to your first post. I've worked closely with crews from Ryanair easyJet and other low-cost carriers.
As was shown by today's incident, the crews of these airlines are capable of dealing with emergencies and, as others have pointed out, they have some of the newest, both in terms of technology and age, of the airliners flying today. I don't think you can have a better set of circumstances than that.
There is some inherent snobbery in the airline industry towards the lo-cos.
Mr O'Leary has the perhaps unique distinction for an Irishman, of getting up just about everyone's nose, and this has probably added to the overall impression that cost-cutting takes place at all levels in the lo-cos.
I will agree that the PA is sometimes difficult to understand when spoken by someone whose first language is not English, but then foreign airlines, many of them the national carrier, have the same problem.
I understand your concern, but I've flown with them a number of times, especially in the early days, and with forty years' experience in aviation, I didn't experience anything which gave me cause for concern.
I can assure you that driving along the M1/M6/M62 worries me far more than flying Ryanair.
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Thank you Rhodes that has provided me with some reassurance, I didn't mean to sound negative in my original post I think unfortunately some people have taken it wrong. I have nothing against low cost carriers and I am not afraid of flying and I will look forward to experiencing my first flight with Ryanair.
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But you're going to cry, aren't you? Have a little sniffle? Because you're so precious? Quite ignoring the fact that people like us have been doing it every day of our working existences (well almost). So it's OK for us, we're not important? But for you....you're special- too good to be 'hazarded'? Is that the logic?
If you can pluck up the courage, please don't cross yourself before take-off! When I see that, it makes me very annoyed.
If you can pluck up the courage, please don't cross yourself before take-off! When I see that, it makes me very annoyed.
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Why cant religous types cross themselves?
Im not atall religous in any way shape or form, never have been but the missus is and crosses herself before stepping onto an aeroplane. Shes not petrified or fearing death infact she loves aeroplanes, flying and aviation (even with me up front).
Its just something she feels comfortable doing as she does when she walks into a church etc.
Please explain.
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Why cant religous types cross themselves?
Im not atall religous in any way shape or form, never have been but the missus is and crosses herself before stepping onto an aeroplane. Shes not petrified or fearing death infact she loves aeroplanes, flying and aviation (even with me up front).
Its just something she feels comfortable doing as she does when she walks into a church etc.
Please explain.
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because of price of fuel and all the pressure keeping the costs down,a memo has been released via ryanair internal system giving performance figures for single engine take off and landing.When possible crews will only use left engine and over a twelve month period 50 million will be saved.so to answer your question LADYLILY63 put the pound you spent down to experience and get a flight with one of the safe airlines like XL or FUTURA
If one looks at the history of Ryanair incidents, the first thing is that they are very, very few, and the second is that the few there have been were always apparently extremely well handled. I don't fly them because I like to get to the advertised city, and not one lots of miles away. Plus the fact that Heathrow is convenient.
But I wouldn't decry them for their safety record.
But I wouldn't decry them for their safety record.
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Reminds me of the 97 respondents who chose XL as the airline they will never fly with again on the BBC Watchdog survey. Them and everyone else! (Thinking about it, though, perhaps they read the question in a different way! Can I change my choice of "airline I will never fly with again" to BOAC, please?)