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Old 31st Aug 2012, 14:34
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Neglecting the fact the original post was two years ago, I think this was a question;

People who ask for current exam questions on a public forum;
A) Are obviously too lazy to study,
B) Are possibly too dumb to be pilots,
C) Will ensure any posted question is changed (new questions...not a bad thing)
D) Probably get upset that although they've paid for their minimum hours, there is a conspiracy because they can't pass their flight test either,
E) All of the above

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Old 4th Jan 2014, 09:39
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TEM is utter bull**** and exists soley to provide psychologists some kind of paying employment.
Spot on, das Uber Soldat

Although, instead of psychologists, I would have said: air safety "advisors", or air safety "professionals".

The idea of a formalised subject on TEM is laughable. There certainly are some clowns in ICAO and CASA.

The purpose of the formalised TEM subject, as far as I can tell, is to stress to us that there are such things as "threats" and "errors", and failure to manage them may result in a UAS (undesirable aircraft state).

Well, fancy that!

Every single aviator, from the moment of his first solo onwards, has been well aware of "threats", "errors" and the need to "manage" them. It is bull**** in the sense that TEM, as a formalised subject, serves ZERO practical purpose in aviation. What a joke - at taxpayers expense.

Here's a test for those of you that think the TEM subject may have some effect on air safety:

Consider two highly experienced airline crews, both with exactly 30,000 hours aeronautical experience between them.

Imagine that both crews are in the middle of a flight, when a serious threat presents itself. Let us imagine that one of the crews has been through a TEM course. The other hasn't.

If you had to be a passenger on one of these aircraft, would you rather be on the one with the crew that had undertaken the TEM course? Do you think it would make any difference?

I am not talking about CRM or HF training/courses. I am talking purely about TEM.

I would rather be on the plane without the TEM enabled pilots. At least for them, their thought processes would be unencumbered. For the TEM pilots, some of their precious brain power could be diverted by efforts to fit TEM to their actions.


Hey, das Uber Soldat, I reckon we could get our names in lights. All we have to do is come up with some fancy phrase that sounds really good for air safety.

How about:

Positive Flightpath Management

It has a good ring to it. It sounds good as a three-letter-acronym (PFM), and, importantly, it has the word "management" in it.

"Loss Of Control" (LOC) is an accident category causing some concern at the moment. We just wait till the next ICAO air safety conference dealing with LOC, then we present some white papers on PFM.

These papers will talk about LOC, but from the viewpoint of PFM. Everything about control, or loss of it, will be presented, but in terms of PFM. And we will make sure the word "outcomes" appears frequently amongst the other airy and nebulously worded passages.

A few years later, and hey presto! PFM will be included in the CRM courses of the day. Of course, some smartarse on Pprune will probably notice that PFM is all really just a load of hot air...
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Not all 'Airmanship' is 'common'....

And 'Common Sense' ain't so common no more....

Is this the delineation / demarcation between us 'oldies' who have survived, and those who are attempting to do so..??

I think I'm a skeptic on this, and all I can say is....THANK the gods I am 'beyond' this.....


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Old 4th Jan 2014, 12:00
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I remember when TEM was introduced into one Asian airline. The captain did the briefing:


"The threat is the runway. It is raining and is wet. I shall manage the Threat by not using reduced thrust. The next Threat is the weather ahead. There is a CB on radar at 10 miles. I shall manage the Threat by asking you to contact ATC and ask if we can deviate 10 miles left of track. Any questions?


Yes Sir, whose leg is it?"


Thank you, I was coming to that. The third Threat is you. You are inexperienced. I will manage that Threat by doing the leg myself"
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Old 4th Jan 2014, 12:27
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I think I'm a skeptic on this, and all I can say is....THANK the gods I am 'beyond' this.....
Don't worry, Griffo,

You have been practicing TEM perfectly for all of your flying career!

But what would you think if somebody sat you down at a TEM seminar and told you that, in aviation, there are "threats"; that you could make errors, and these threats and errors must be managed?

Would you think it was April 1st? Would you get up and leave? Would you start looking for the candid camera in the room?
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Hi Mr 'F'.....

This one..."Would you start looking for the candid camera in the room? "

Cheerrrsss

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Old 5th Jan 2014, 06:13
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I have no idea what TEM is - guess that means I am doomed, huh?

Shock, horror ... better hand the licence back!
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Old 7th Jan 2014, 11:13
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Seems to me the whole thing is an arse-covering exercise (TEM, that is) designed to ensure your voice is heard to be mumbling the politically correct jargon into the CVR in case of a lawyers picnic.

Most pilots I am sure, look outside at the departure environment before starting the take off roll to in order assess anything of immediate flight safety interest. You don't have to make a song and dance of it. You simply use your eyes or look at the weather radar if you have one. There is no need to talk out aloud - just use your eyes and ears and make a mental note.

For example, when my instructor sent me on my first solo which was in a Tiger Moth at the all over field at Bankstown yonks ago, I lined up - saw the green light from the tower and had a quick look around for aircraft on short final and then opened the throttle.

I had real good eye sight in those days. In today's jargon I would have to mutter to myself through the Gosport Tube (Google it if you wish) to check the various Threats like the Moth just landed on the grass in front of me and about to turn crosswind before taxiing. I would manage that Threat by temporarily disregarding the steady green light until the pesky Moth had definitely stopped and not about to taxi into my take off path.

OK, todays student pilots are stuck with multi choice exam questions about Threats and Errors and how to manage it all. Thank goodness this writer is well beyond that stuff. I ramble....sorry!
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Old 7th Jan 2014, 19:07
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With a capital "A".

Centaurus # 28 - For example, when my instructor sent me on my first solo which was in a Tiger Moth at the all over field at Bankstown yonks ago, I lined up - saw the green light from the tower and had a quick look around for aircraft on short final and then opened the throttle.

I had real good eye sight in those days. In today's jargon I would have to mutter to myself through the Gosport Tube (Google it if you wish) to check the various Threats like the Moth just landed on the grass in front of me and about to turn crosswind before taxiing. I would manage that Threat by temporarily disregarding the steady green light until the pesky Moth had definitely stopped and not about to taxi into my take off path.
Good catch Centaurus. I am enjoying the 'airmanship' thread, stirring tales of derring –do and extraordinary circumstances bringing about the superb skills. But the above quote, for my two bob, defines "Airmanship"; situational awareness, practical sense, a better than vague idea of what is actually occurring and knowing how to assess, address and reduce the risks in any situation.
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Old 21st Oct 2018, 11:03
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ATPL HUF

Hey guys, recently attempted AHUF and although I thought I was ready I got 68% with the majority of my questions being TEM about 40%.
All my KDR's were TEM and the questions were like nothing that I had studied (the Bob Tait and AFT book, along with AFT Cyber exams).
Feeling a little stuck as I actually really enjoyed this subject. Not too sure where to start now but I would like to resit it ASAP.
Any help as to where to look etc will be appreciated
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Old 21st Oct 2018, 23:21
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What is the last line of defense in the TEM structure
That's easy. If before take off - PARK BRAKE ON..
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Old 22nd Oct 2018, 12:06
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Originally Posted by Alisakg11
Hey guys, recently attempted AHUF and although I thought I was ready I got 68% with the majority of my questions being TEM about 40%.
All my KDR's were TEM and the questions were like nothing that I had studied (the Bob Tait and AFT book, along with AFT Cyber exams).
Feeling a little stuck as I actually really enjoyed this subject. Not too sure where to start now but I would like to resit it ASAP.
Any help as to where to look etc will be appreciated
Hi Ali, I sat it not too long ago. I also enjoyed the majority of the subject except the dreaded TEM. It may help, it may not. But for what it is worth, my method was to memorise a flow chart of the TEM model (it's not that big as you'd know) and do the old process of elimination for categorising each question. It seemed to work for myself and I passed pretty comfortably. At the end of the day, majority of those TEM questions are ambiguous and you can only apply so much logic! Hope it helps somehow, good luck for the second sitting, I'm sure you'll be sweet having come so close.

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