Help with upcoming Regional Express Cadet pilot Interview
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Rex pay and conditions for Direct entry F/O
Gday,
may not be entirely relevent to this cadet discussion but here is what a recruiter said to me two days ago:
* 28 Day roster - in which the first 14days are set in stone.
* Pay: 30k for the first 90 days then $42k once checked to line..... which ever happens first.
* D.T.A of $5 per flight hour (i believe) payed when your away from home base so you can earn depending on where your based anywhere from an extra $2k - 10k on top of your base salary.
Forgot to ask about bond period, but i believe is two years.
Good luck in the interview, interviews are generally harder with more experience you have..... but just try to relay the experience and WHAT you learned from it, even if it seemed negative. Always be learning.........
Yes while QF.link is better pay and basings etc dont listen to these morons who poo poo every thing about Rex.... truth is its RPT, Multi-crew time which is invaluable to your future airline prospects.
Short term sacrifice....long term gain...... and great experience!
Good luck.
may not be entirely relevent to this cadet discussion but here is what a recruiter said to me two days ago:
* 28 Day roster - in which the first 14days are set in stone.
* Pay: 30k for the first 90 days then $42k once checked to line..... which ever happens first.
* D.T.A of $5 per flight hour (i believe) payed when your away from home base so you can earn depending on where your based anywhere from an extra $2k - 10k on top of your base salary.
Forgot to ask about bond period, but i believe is two years.
Good luck in the interview, interviews are generally harder with more experience you have..... but just try to relay the experience and WHAT you learned from it, even if it seemed negative. Always be learning.........
Yes while QF.link is better pay and basings etc dont listen to these morons who poo poo every thing about Rex.... truth is its RPT, Multi-crew time which is invaluable to your future airline prospects.
Short term sacrifice....long term gain...... and great experience!
Good luck.
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DTA is down at $4.62 per hour from time you sign on to time you sign off for your shift - no other allowances unless you are CPT etc etc.
They said that it is expected that you would do 800 hours a year. So in DTA alone you could make around $3700 extra a year. Not much but it may push you in to the $3100 per month take home bracket.
The bond period is correct - 2 years. For cadets, not applicable because you are stuck there for 5-6years anyways.
I think you hit the nail on the head - multi crew opportunity and big gains.
It's a big step in the door for someone who is willing to walk a few extra hundred miles to chase the dream.
They said that it is expected that you would do 800 hours a year. So in DTA alone you could make around $3700 extra a year. Not much but it may push you in to the $3100 per month take home bracket.
The bond period is correct - 2 years. For cadets, not applicable because you are stuck there for 5-6years anyways.
I think you hit the nail on the head - multi crew opportunity and big gains.
It's a big step in the door for someone who is willing to walk a few extra hundred miles to chase the dream.
Thanks wesky and blueberry.
Pretty much nailed the numbers, but the DTA will probably run to between 7-9 K PA!
One of my problems with employing low time guys and girls as well as the cadets (low time by definition) is the issue of command upgrades. As far as the concept of getting into a company like REX with little or no experience, being a golden opportunity, I couldn't agree more. I spent 9 years in GA. Had a class 1 ATPL and over 2000 hours multi IFR command before I got an interview! I am far from being bitter about that, but I think a reality check is in order as to the long term worth to the company of accepting the current situation without even trying to retain existing experienced crew.
I know I've been flogging this line for some time, but it is such a serious problem that it will, in the not too distant future, jeopodise the financial viability of the company itself. And at the end of the day, that is what really matters.
So you can understand my curiosity as to CH's response when asked the time frame for command. I can only assume that the 2 years would refer to the time it will take to log the 1500 hours total to hold a class 1 ATPL. Mind you Co-pilot time may only be logged as 50% of total aeronautical experience. So you do the math on that one. Also this would assume that all your ATPL subjects have been sucessfully completed. Do not plan on having a life over the next 2 years if you want to make this happen. You will be working max hours! Then there is the question of the min multi command requirement. If you have only, say 100 of these hours, did CH shed any light on to how the balance will be made up. There is some speculation that F/O's may be able to log ICUS whilst in the course of normal line flying. I can tell you now that most of the current line Captains will be unwilling to sign off on that one. No malice intended, but unless you are a check and trainer, the others will not be prepared to put their reputations on the line in that regard. Finally, commands are now running at less than 8 months. Mmmm.. 8 Months....2 years??? see what I mean?
wesky, one thing is for sure. There are 2 sides to every story!
Pretty much nailed the numbers, but the DTA will probably run to between 7-9 K PA!
One of my problems with employing low time guys and girls as well as the cadets (low time by definition) is the issue of command upgrades. As far as the concept of getting into a company like REX with little or no experience, being a golden opportunity, I couldn't agree more. I spent 9 years in GA. Had a class 1 ATPL and over 2000 hours multi IFR command before I got an interview! I am far from being bitter about that, but I think a reality check is in order as to the long term worth to the company of accepting the current situation without even trying to retain existing experienced crew.
I know I've been flogging this line for some time, but it is such a serious problem that it will, in the not too distant future, jeopodise the financial viability of the company itself. And at the end of the day, that is what really matters.
So you can understand my curiosity as to CH's response when asked the time frame for command. I can only assume that the 2 years would refer to the time it will take to log the 1500 hours total to hold a class 1 ATPL. Mind you Co-pilot time may only be logged as 50% of total aeronautical experience. So you do the math on that one. Also this would assume that all your ATPL subjects have been sucessfully completed. Do not plan on having a life over the next 2 years if you want to make this happen. You will be working max hours! Then there is the question of the min multi command requirement. If you have only, say 100 of these hours, did CH shed any light on to how the balance will be made up. There is some speculation that F/O's may be able to log ICUS whilst in the course of normal line flying. I can tell you now that most of the current line Captains will be unwilling to sign off on that one. No malice intended, but unless you are a check and trainer, the others will not be prepared to put their reputations on the line in that regard. Finally, commands are now running at less than 8 months. Mmmm.. 8 Months....2 years??? see what I mean?
wesky, one thing is for sure. There are 2 sides to every story!
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Rex Test
Gday guys
Well done to those of you that have got through to yoru interview stage.
Did you do the testing or the interview first?
Any feedback on the testing or the interview process?
Happy and safe flying guys and gals.
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Well done to those of you that have got through to yoru interview stage.
Did you do the testing or the interview first?
Any feedback on the testing or the interview process?
Happy and safe flying guys and gals.
goaroundagain
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I might be poking an old thread here but i cant resist...
I have just been asked to attend an interview with REX in response to my application for the cadet ship too. Some very interesting reading in this thread however it has shown me my naivety! my interview is on Tuesday and I feel quite comfortable and prepared, but some of the terms you have used elude me...
1. endo?
2. CP? Chris Hines?
3. DTA?
I have no plans to fly 747's for QANTAS, although im sure my plans will change with time, but cooporate jets really appeal to me, as do the SAAB 340's having said that do you think that i will find a rewarding career at REX?
Keep in mind i am now 31 years old
I have just been asked to attend an interview with REX in response to my application for the cadet ship too. Some very interesting reading in this thread however it has shown me my naivety! my interview is on Tuesday and I feel quite comfortable and prepared, but some of the terms you have used elude me...
1. endo?
2. CP? Chris Hines?
3. DTA?
I have no plans to fly 747's for QANTAS, although im sure my plans will change with time, but cooporate jets really appeal to me, as do the SAAB 340's having said that do you think that i will find a rewarding career at REX?
Keep in mind i am now 31 years old
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Dekka,
1. Endo = Endorsement
2. CP = Chief Pilot = Chris Hines @ REX
3. DTA = Duty Time Allowance
I would suggest that you perhaps gain a bit more general knowledge before the interview. Good luck nonetheless.
ID
1. Endo = Endorsement
2. CP = Chief Pilot = Chris Hines @ REX
3. DTA = Duty Time Allowance
I would suggest that you perhaps gain a bit more general knowledge before the interview. Good luck nonetheless.
ID
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Just had my last interview with Kim and the ex. CP Marcus Davey at the Sydney office. All went well... I think... I get a call this friday with the yae or nae. This was for the June the 22nd intake. Anyone else done an interview for this one??
I also saw more people doing the WOMBAT testing as I was waiting... I was told the cadetship was still going strong and that there were will be many more to come.
Ytee, have you gone any farther man???
I also saw more people doing the WOMBAT testing as I was waiting... I was told the cadetship was still going strong and that there were will be many more to come.
Ytee, have you gone any farther man???
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To all the guys and gals considering/interviewing for the Rex Cadetship, I sincerely hope you've done some serious research, read the reg's and spoken to as many in the industry as possible. Surely the issues surrounding the cadetship posted on this thread have been enough to deter many from applying, or at the very least, made those interested to ask the right questions.
I'm not going to bother pointing-out the conditions surrounding the Rex Cadetship (as it's been done to death many times over), but I am interested to hear from those applying/interviewing about what they expect from the program medium/long-term? The Saab is a great aircraft (I've flown them), but after 6 months the shine does wear-off, especially on the coin you'll be on, the hours you'll work and in the seat you'll be occupying!
This economic downtown will rebound, the demand for air travel will return, and although the levels of airline employment may not reach the height they did 12-18 months ago airlines will not doubt employ. Don't expect the hour requirement to drop further as the supply will once again exceed demand and those in GA and Regionals with 500+ MECIR will get the jet-jobs again. There is a lot to said about finding that intial flying job (charter or instructing), moving into larger aircraft and getting a gig with an airline with all the right boxes ticked to progress to the left seat over time.
So, getting back to the question to those looking at the Rex Cadetship. What do you hope to gain from the program post-training and career wise?
I'm not going to bother pointing-out the conditions surrounding the Rex Cadetship (as it's been done to death many times over), but I am interested to hear from those applying/interviewing about what they expect from the program medium/long-term? The Saab is a great aircraft (I've flown them), but after 6 months the shine does wear-off, especially on the coin you'll be on, the hours you'll work and in the seat you'll be occupying!
This economic downtown will rebound, the demand for air travel will return, and although the levels of airline employment may not reach the height they did 12-18 months ago airlines will not doubt employ. Don't expect the hour requirement to drop further as the supply will once again exceed demand and those in GA and Regionals with 500+ MECIR will get the jet-jobs again. There is a lot to said about finding that intial flying job (charter or instructing), moving into larger aircraft and getting a gig with an airline with all the right boxes ticked to progress to the left seat over time.
So, getting back to the question to those looking at the Rex Cadetship. What do you hope to gain from the program post-training and career wise?
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I find it hard to believe that a Rex cadet with say a few thousand hours in the RHS of a Saab is less employable than say a thousand hour GA pilot? Yes the cadet won't have the 500 hours multi engine command under the ifr but they will have airline experience, doesnt that account for anything?
Once employed by a larger airline with a high capacity AOC any time logged from the RHS will be as command time, multi engine and ifr hence the 500 hours to gain a command/ATPL will be quickly obtained.
I have heard that often people are employed for companies (including the large airlines) even when they do not have the current criteria, so maybe there is a chance for the rex cadets in a few years time once the hours and experience have been acquired?!?
Once employed by a larger airline with a high capacity AOC any time logged from the RHS will be as command time, multi engine and ifr hence the 500 hours to gain a command/ATPL will be quickly obtained.
I have heard that often people are employed for companies (including the large airlines) even when they do not have the current criteria, so maybe there is a chance for the rex cadets in a few years time once the hours and experience have been acquired?!?
so maybe there is a chance for the rex cadets in a few years time once the hours and experience have been acquired?!?
However there is something to be said for the pilot who has been out there making command decisions without the reliance on someone else to help make those decisions.
I think pilots that have gone directly into the RHS without getting the chance to make their own decisions as a CPL have missed out on an important part of their development as a pilot. I believe this is why there is the stipulated P in C time for an ATPL.
Keep telling yourself what you want to hear aviator23 but the FACTS are all on this forum. Check out this thread for an answer to all your "but surely!....." questions-
http://www.pprune.org/dg-p-general-a...ex-cadets.html
http://www.pprune.org/dg-p-general-a...ex-cadets.html
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Fair call Chadzat but you have to remember this is a 'rumour' network not 'fact' network so i think we will all ahve to sit back and let it all come out in the wash!
I think if Rex did come to some arrangement with Casa in regard to the ICUS/command upgrade issue how the whole tune of this thread would change?!? Who knows, only time will tell. Goodluck
I think if Rex did come to some arrangement with Casa in regard to the ICUS/command upgrade issue how the whole tune of this thread would change?!? Who knows, only time will tell. Goodluck
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I know fella's who have been recruited by Cathay with around 150hrs command.... The 1000+ hours of Multi Crew time, their attitude and education was what got them the job. QANTAS also take people with 1500 Multi Crew hours and only 150hrs command from memory. Jetstar only require 250 command of which 150 can be ICUS. Multi Crew hours are GOLD, absolute GOLD. You can accrue some command hours dropping meat bombs on your days off or holidays etc if you are truely motivated and want to get a few hundred in your logbook over your first few years as a F/O.
Most of us here in Oz (me included) had to "do our time" in GA and as such we believe it creates good decision making skills and tests your attitude etc. If you don't bash round in a C206/C210 before getting 500 Multi in a Baron or Chieftan you just can't fly.... Just ask all the bitter and twisted folks out there (me included) who didn't get looked at until we had 1000+ multi command. In Europe 200hr Cadets fly SAAB's, DASH's and 737/A320's and they don't bend them, it's all just a shift in culture we GA "veterans" will have to adjust to in the future. Training is the key.
If was a kid again I'd give it a go.... GA is a huge gamble just as REX may be a gamble. The gamble that gets you 2000hrs+ in a SAAB over your first few years seems great to me. Go for it, be positive and learn all you can. This industry is full of negative people who will try to drag you down.
Most of us here in Oz (me included) had to "do our time" in GA and as such we believe it creates good decision making skills and tests your attitude etc. If you don't bash round in a C206/C210 before getting 500 Multi in a Baron or Chieftan you just can't fly.... Just ask all the bitter and twisted folks out there (me included) who didn't get looked at until we had 1000+ multi command. In Europe 200hr Cadets fly SAAB's, DASH's and 737/A320's and they don't bend them, it's all just a shift in culture we GA "veterans" will have to adjust to in the future. Training is the key.
If was a kid again I'd give it a go.... GA is a huge gamble just as REX may be a gamble. The gamble that gets you 2000hrs+ in a SAAB over your first few years seems great to me. Go for it, be positive and learn all you can. This industry is full of negative people who will try to drag you down.
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Go for it, be positive and learn all you can. This industry is full of negative people who will try to drag you down.
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PS. apache, apologies for the typo, you are quite right.
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no need to apologise to me. Many a time have I heard him referred to as "Chris Hines". It is not MY name! I was just suggesting that it may look a bit better in the interview if you get his name right.
but appreciate your thought
but appreciate your thought
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Apache, don't get me started! Been there, done that and chose to run in the opposite direction. Have taken the 'traditional' route into GA - now glad I did. However, for the benefit of those still thinking of the cadetship, Chris is a very fair and understanding guy.ID