ATP Non-Type vs Type-Rated License: Concerns About Checkride

[hfc1969]

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[Flyfurby]

Originally Posted by McMax

Hi Flyfurby,

as you say, I think they are all very similar.
I’ll give you an update mid January after my ATP-CTP course with AA.

planning on doing the practical incl type on a separate occasion.
what type are you going for?

i made my final decision based on the available dates that suited me best.
so far a good experience, communication has been excellent and they have been very helpful all around!

I hope your course is going well I would probably start as well in AA but in february, thats what Im trying at least.

I have plenty of experience in the 737 so I will try to make the line check in that A/C

How is the course going ?

[McMax]

Originally Posted by Flyfurby

I hope your course is going well I would probably start as well in AA but in february, thats what Im trying at least.

I have plenty of experience in the 737 so I will try to make the line check in that A/C

How is the course going ?

Course was straightforward, especially for pilots with prior jet experience.

Nice bunch of people, nothing negative to say.

I do believe they offer 737 courses as well.

[Flyfurby]

Originally Posted by McMax

Course was straightforward, especially for pilots with prior jet experience.

Nice bunch of people, nothing negative to say.

I do believe they offer 737 courses as well.

Thanks a lot for the update,

Yes they do offer 737 for the type but I guess the ATP will be in another A/C

Btw I have an IAA licensce and I have to get the foreign verification letter how long did it take?

There is a course starting on the 6th of february but im not sure If i will be able to make it by then.

Did you got type ?

regards

[McMax]

Originally Posted by Flyfurby

Thanks a lot for the update,

Yes they do offer 737 for the type but I guess the ATP will be in another A/C

Btw I have an IAA licensce and I have to get the foreign verification letter how long did it take?

There is a course starting on the 6th of february but im not sure If i will be able to make it by then.

Did you got type ?

regards

the course at AA is on the 320. but doesn’t really matter, it’s more a demonstration of jet aircraft performance and characteristics so doesn’t really matter what types you‘ve flown before.

My verification came back within 10 days iirc. Did not need it as it‘s only required if you do the practical bit which I couldn’t do this time around. Will have to go back at some point this year and do the course and checkride.
If you only intend to do the ATP-CTP course and written exam then you’re fine without the verification.
Courses start on Mondays normally, finish Saturday or Sunday, you can then do the written on Monday morning before starting the B737 course. But I believe the 737 sims are not in FLL.

Courses are filling up quickly, maybe give them a call and see if you can reserve the spot for the time being until you‘ve figured out the rest. They will walk you through the whole process.

[Jetmenow]

All good answers. Thank you!

Let me add my two cents though…

if your husband ever succeeds in his endeavors to go from ICAO to FAA, he should be forced to wear a captain’s hat - at all times - with a bright orange bandana - that reads either:

’My wife figured it out for me’

or - alternatively -

‘I’m legal to haul 300.000 lbs from here to Bogota; but my wife helped me pass my checkride’

Don’t get me wrong - I wish my wife was supportive like that, so kudos to IllinoisDavidson for doing that!

Respectfully, let me point out my concerns here.

1) an ATP-CTP is not at all a certificate you can hold. Period! It does not entitle you to anything, aeronautically.

2) it’s merely a scrap sheet of paper indicating that you have once been the proud owner of $3.000; which you chose to blow on a diploma-mill type of operation to participate in a 2 day course about CRM. The only thing that does entitle you to is to sit for the ATP written. A long shot from hauling actual passengers or cargo! I wouldn’t go around the local bar bragging about ‘being an ATP-CTP’.

3) even after you passed your ATP written, that is by no means any certificate unless and until you pass a check ride and have the requisite hours in your logbook.

I totally get it, these are semantics but here we are, flying hundreds of millions of dollars of equipment around carrying hundreds of human lives! This is not the time nor the place to be complacent, colloquial, or, heavens forbid, have the wife provide regulatory guidance.

I am pretty sure if becoming an ATP was a group effort, there would be courses for wives and husbands to jointly attend.

Last time I chose to check, there weren’t. And my guess is for a reason.

I am, however, glad to see it worked out for you guys in the end!