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ATP Non-Type vs Type-Rated License: Concerns About Checkride

Old 10th Feb 2021, 17:31
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ATP Non-Type vs Type-Rated License: Concerns About Checkride

I know it has been a while since my pilot husband and I last posted in this forum. The pandemic has certainly halted our plans--like the rest of the world's plans. Point being, he is now moving forward in the process of converting his ICAO license. He has passed the ATP written exam and holds a valid ATP-CTP certificate (until 2025). Now he needs either non-type rated or type-rated simulator and checkride. Considering the costs from the popular training centers, obviously the non-type is significantly cheaper. However, the current concern is his ability to pass the checkride in an aircraft that he is unfamiliar with, if he goes with the non-type rated option. He currently flies Airbus 330, so he is much more comfortable and confident flying in the Airbus fleet. Does anyone here on this forum have any insight about the ATP license checkride--i.e. what the examiners quiz the pilots on, what questions are asked during the 'oral exam' of the checkride, etc. My husband certainly doesn't want to risk a 'failed' checkride because he is not fully familiar with the plane he will be flying in, following simulator training hours (which looks like just a meager 10 hours or so for some of these training centers). Maybe it is a better and safer (albeit more expensive) bet to choose the type-rated option with an aircraft that he has flown in the past and that he can easily and more readily familiarize himself with before the checkride. Any feedback and any recommendations about preparation for the checkride would be much appreciated. I hope everyone is safe and healthy out there.
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Old 11th Feb 2021, 13:26
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Your husband doesn't have to do the checkride in a jet simulator. A small piston twin airplane like a Seneca or Seminole will do just fine. Will probably be alot cheaper than a sim ride.
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Old 11th Feb 2021, 16:22
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Option B would be one of the A320 simulator providers like Avenger Flight Group.

Most likely, a typed ATP will have a discussion of memory items, limitations, and an in-depth discussion of systems at the lights/switches level....i.e. "I push this button...what occurs?"

I think the multi crew course for the A320 would run 7-9k, likely cheaper as the demand has plummeted.
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Old 11th Feb 2021, 18:07
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PanAm gave a really good deal on the B777. $9000, with occasional 10% discount.

Thoroughly recommend their instructors and the training. No surprises on the checkride. If you are current on type, I think any Part 142 school would be similar. Self-examining authority, and knowledge of what happens during the check. It’s definitely a few thousand extra, but if it’s what you know already, then sticking with a 330 type-rating (or maybe 320?) definitely makes sense. PM for any more details.

The course consisted of 2 4-hour Sims, plus a 3-hour check-ride.
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Old 11th Feb 2021, 22:03
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Surely an A330 sim and check ride if your rated???

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Old 12th Feb 2021, 18:33
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Originally Posted by Global Aviator View Post
Surely an A330 sim and check ride if your rated???
Just because he is typed on A330 in his ICAO ATPL does not mean he is FAA A330 qualified.

To receive FAA ATP with A330 type rating, he must redo A330 type rating from the scratch in an approved course by FAA.

The cheapest option is to do the ATP check ride in a multi engine piston airplane.
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Old 12th Feb 2021, 21:58
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Originally Posted by lee_apromise View Post
Just because he is typed on A330 in his ICAO ATPL does not mean he is FAA A330 qualified.

To receive FAA ATP with A330 type rating, he must redo A330 type rating from the scratch in an approved course by FAA.

The cheapest option is to do the ATP check ride in a multi engine piston airplane.
You can do an "already experienced" quicker type rating which I think an earlier poster alluded too. I personally would just do the check in a light twin but that's me.
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Old 14th Feb 2021, 13:20
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Thanks to everyone for your responses. We have definitely looked into Pan Am--and also SkyEagle Aviation Academy, where my husband completed his ATP written and received his ATP certificate. Based on our conversations with Pan Am and SkyEagle, it looks like one can receive expedited type-rating training and ATP license for pilots who are already type-rated for that aircraft (on like an ICAO or EASA license). This turns into 4 days in total of commitment for type-rated ATP license--a few days of sim plus checkride. Maybe we have communicated my husband's situation incorrectly to these training centers, but this is what they have explained to us. Climb150 and lee_apromise you are correct, the 'light twin' option is significantly cheaper at these training centers, by almost half price, but my husband's concern is his actual knowledge of these aircrafts--which, currently, he has known. To complete his ATP license on a Seneca or Seminole, should he have the same amount of knowledge on this aircraft as he does for the Airbus fleet that he is currently type-rated for--i.e. limitations, memory items, in-depth discussion of systems, etc, as LandingCheck described for the type-rated oral exam? This, again, is his biggest concern. Does he need that amount of in-depth knowledge of the 'light twin' in order to pass the oral exam during checkride? Thanks again for all of your insight in this matter.
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Old 14th Feb 2021, 16:34
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Am I right in thinking your husband never really flew a light twin during his pilot training? I know in some countries students go straight to the sim after single engine CPL check ride. If this is the case then maybe do the check in the Airbus sim. If your husband did do some light twin flying, they should be fine after a few hours practice. Most places that offer an ATP checkride program build in a few hours practice to prepare for check ride. There isnt really much to learn for a light twin. It's the verbal exam that I would be more concerned about. Your training provider should prepare you for this too.

If after 2 hours in a light twin and your husband doesnt feel confident, just walk away and you are only out of pocket a small amount. Never pay the full amount upfront (unless it's a sim centre).
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Old 19th Feb 2021, 00:14
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I was in the exact same situation as your husband. I converted my EASA license to an FAA one. After the written test I was also considering the options for the checkride. I decided to do a shortened type rating course for the aircraft I had flown for almost 20 years. The advantages are that there are no surprises in the actual checkride and the the oral part is a piece of cake. The Examiner admitted that I knew more about the aircraft than him. From what I’ve heard the oral in a light piston aircraft puts way more emphasis on the general ATP stuff. And who wants to get grilled over Aerodynamics or Meteorology or whatever subject you don’t like? So in the end I’m very happy that I paid a bit more and didn’t have to worry about anything. Needless to say that a jet type might give you an advantage for a possible application to the airlines. Good luck with whatever route your husband is going to take.
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