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I think Marcantilan has it - every country has its share of nutters and conspiracy freaks - after all we've got Sharkey 
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Milei mentioned that the discussions didn't delve deeply into the Falklands matter, but they framed it as an agenda item. He expressed a perspective on resolving it through a Hong Kong model
Argentine President Javier Milei and British Foreign Secretary David Cameron met at the World Economic Forum on Wednesday, signalling a commitment to enhance bilateral trade relations and address the dispute over the Falkland/Malvinas Islands. Both nations engaged in a conflict over this territory in 1982, when Argentina invaded the South Atlantic islands. Since then, the South American country has maintained its claim to sovereignty.
Describing the meeting in Davos, Switzerland, as “excellent and very cordial,” President Milei shared, “We discussed how to streamline bilateral trade, promote British investments in Argentina, and included the Falkland Islands as a point on an agenda with the Foreign Ministry to advance solutions on the issue.” The meeting lasted 20 minutes, and the President was joined by the Chancellor Diana Mondino and the Secretary General of the Presidency and sister of the head of state, Karina Milei. While acknowledging that in-depth progress wasn't achieved, Milei highlighted, “We've set it as a point on an agenda where our Foreign Minister, Diana Mondino, and Minister Cameron will work towards finding a solution to the Falklands issue.”
In an interview with Infobae, President Milei mentioned that the discussions didn't delve deeply into the Falklands matter, but they framed it as an agenda item. He expressed a perspective on resolving it through a Hong Kong model with China and England.
David Cameron, the British Foreign Secretary, shared a message about the meeting: “There is much that the UK and Argentina can achieve by working together. I met with President Javier Milei to discuss building cooperation on trade and combatting global threats. I wished him well in his attempts to bring Argentina back to economic growth,” he posted on X (Twitter).
During his run for the presidency, Milei had said that Argentina should not renounce its claim to sovereignty over the Falklands/Malvinas, but added that in an eventual agreement with London, “the position of the people living in the islands cannot be ignored”.
These expressions were in line with the statements made by his then advisor on international affairs and now Chancellor Diana Mondino, who stated that the inhabitants of the Islands (kelpers) must be able to “decide their own destiny” and “no decision can be imposed on other people”. These statements were rejected by politicians of different forces and Argentine ex-combatants of the 1982 war in which the South American country was defeated by the United Kingdom. ”A political sector that does not hide its admiration for Margaret Thatcher (British Prime Minister during the war conflict) speaks of respecting the rights of the islanders introduced in our Malvinas territory in line with the wishes of the British government”, warned in a statement the Confederation of Malvinas Combatants of the Argentine Republic.
Argentina and UK explore economic ties and Falklands resolution in Davos meeting
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Milei mentioned that the discussions didn't delve deeply into the Falklands matter, but they framed it as an agenda item. He expressed a perspective on resolving it through a Hong Kong model
Argentine President Javier Milei and British Foreign Secretary David Cameron met at the World Economic Forum on Wednesday, signalling a commitment to enhance bilateral trade relations and address the dispute over the Falkland/Malvinas Islands. Both nations engaged in a conflict over this territory in 1982, when Argentina invaded the South Atlantic islands. Since then, the South American country has maintained its claim to sovereignty.
Describing the meeting in Davos, Switzerland, as “excellent and very cordial,” President Milei shared, “We discussed how to streamline bilateral trade, promote British investments in Argentina, and included the Falkland Islands as a point on an agenda with the Foreign Ministry to advance solutions on the issue.” The meeting lasted 20 minutes, and the President was joined by the Chancellor Diana Mondino and the Secretary General of the Presidency and sister of the head of state, Karina Milei. While acknowledging that in-depth progress wasn't achieved, Milei highlighted, “We've set it as a point on an agenda where our Foreign Minister, Diana Mondino, and Minister Cameron will work towards finding a solution to the Falklands issue.”
In an interview with Infobae, President Milei mentioned that the discussions didn't delve deeply into the Falklands matter, but they framed it as an agenda item. He expressed a perspective on resolving it through a Hong Kong model with China and England.
David Cameron, the British Foreign Secretary, shared a message about the meeting: “There is much that the UK and Argentina can achieve by working together. I met with President Javier Milei to discuss building cooperation on trade and combatting global threats. I wished him well in his attempts to bring Argentina back to economic growth,” he posted on X (Twitter).
During his run for the presidency, Milei had said that Argentina should not renounce its claim to sovereignty over the Falklands/Malvinas, but added that in an eventual agreement with London, “the position of the people living in the islands cannot be ignored”.
These expressions were in line with the statements made by his then advisor on international affairs and now Chancellor Diana Mondino, who stated that the inhabitants of the Islands (kelpers) must be able to “decide their own destiny” and “no decision can be imposed on other people”. These statements were rejected by politicians of different forces and Argentine ex-combatants of the 1982 war in which the South American country was defeated by the United Kingdom. ”A political sector that does not hide its admiration for Margaret Thatcher (British Prime Minister during the war conflict) speaks of respecting the rights of the islanders introduced in our Malvinas territory in line with the wishes of the British government”, warned in a statement the Confederation of Malvinas Combatants of the Argentine Republic.
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Milei mentioned that the discussions didn't delve deeply into the Falklands matter, but they framed it as an agenda item. He expressed a perspective on resolving it through a Hong Kong model
Argentine President Javier Milei and British Foreign Secretary David Cameron met at the World Economic Forum on Wednesday, signalling a commitment to enhance bilateral trade relations and address the dispute over the Falkland/Malvinas Islands. Both nations engaged in a conflict over this territory in 1982, when Argentina invaded the South Atlantic islands. Since then, the South American country has maintained its claim to sovereignty.
Describing the meeting in Davos, Switzerland, as “excellent and very cordial,” President Milei shared, “We discussed how to streamline bilateral trade, promote British investments in Argentina, and included the Falkland Islands as a point on an agenda with the Foreign Ministry to advance solutions on the issue.” The meeting lasted 20 minutes, and the President was joined by the Chancellor Diana Mondino and the Secretary General of the Presidency and sister of the head of state, Karina Milei. While acknowledging that in-depth progress wasn't achieved, Milei highlighted, “We've set it as a point on an agenda where our Foreign Minister, Diana Mondino, and Minister Cameron will work towards finding a solution to the Falklands issue.”
In an interview with Infobae, President Milei mentioned that the discussions didn't delve deeply into the Falklands matter, but they framed it as an agenda item. He expressed a perspective on resolving it through a Hong Kong model with China and England.
David Cameron, the British Foreign Secretary, shared a message about the meeting: “There is much that the UK and Argentina can achieve by working together. I met with President Javier Milei to discuss building cooperation on trade and combatting global threats. I wished him well in his attempts to bring Argentina back to economic growth,” he posted on X (Twitter).
During his run for the presidency, Milei had said that Argentina should not renounce its claim to sovereignty over the Falklands/Malvinas, but added that in an eventual agreement with London, “the position of the people living in the islands cannot be ignored”.
These expressions were in line with the statements made by his then advisor on international affairs and now Chancellor Diana Mondino, who stated that the inhabitants of the Islands (kelpers) must be able to “decide their own destiny” and “no decision can be imposed on other people”. These statements were rejected by politicians of different forces and Argentine ex-combatants of the 1982 war in which the South American country was defeated by the United Kingdom. ”A political sector that does not hide its admiration for Margaret Thatcher (British Prime Minister during the war conflict) speaks of respecting the rights of the islanders introduced in our Malvinas territory in line with the wishes of the British government”, warned in a statement the Confederation of Malvinas Combatants of the Argentine Republic.
Argentina and UK explore economic ties and Falklands resolution in Davos meeting
Wednesday, January 17th 2024 - 19:18 UTCFull article9 comments
Milei mentioned that the discussions didn't delve deeply into the Falklands matter, but they framed it as an agenda item. He expressed a perspective on resolving it through a Hong Kong model
Argentine President Javier Milei and British Foreign Secretary David Cameron met at the World Economic Forum on Wednesday, signalling a commitment to enhance bilateral trade relations and address the dispute over the Falkland/Malvinas Islands. Both nations engaged in a conflict over this territory in 1982, when Argentina invaded the South Atlantic islands. Since then, the South American country has maintained its claim to sovereignty.
Describing the meeting in Davos, Switzerland, as “excellent and very cordial,” President Milei shared, “We discussed how to streamline bilateral trade, promote British investments in Argentina, and included the Falkland Islands as a point on an agenda with the Foreign Ministry to advance solutions on the issue.” The meeting lasted 20 minutes, and the President was joined by the Chancellor Diana Mondino and the Secretary General of the Presidency and sister of the head of state, Karina Milei. While acknowledging that in-depth progress wasn't achieved, Milei highlighted, “We've set it as a point on an agenda where our Foreign Minister, Diana Mondino, and Minister Cameron will work towards finding a solution to the Falklands issue.”
In an interview with Infobae, President Milei mentioned that the discussions didn't delve deeply into the Falklands matter, but they framed it as an agenda item. He expressed a perspective on resolving it through a Hong Kong model with China and England.
David Cameron, the British Foreign Secretary, shared a message about the meeting: “There is much that the UK and Argentina can achieve by working together. I met with President Javier Milei to discuss building cooperation on trade and combatting global threats. I wished him well in his attempts to bring Argentina back to economic growth,” he posted on X (Twitter).
During his run for the presidency, Milei had said that Argentina should not renounce its claim to sovereignty over the Falklands/Malvinas, but added that in an eventual agreement with London, “the position of the people living in the islands cannot be ignored”.
These expressions were in line with the statements made by his then advisor on international affairs and now Chancellor Diana Mondino, who stated that the inhabitants of the Islands (kelpers) must be able to “decide their own destiny” and “no decision can be imposed on other people”. These statements were rejected by politicians of different forces and Argentine ex-combatants of the 1982 war in which the South American country was defeated by the United Kingdom. ”A political sector that does not hide its admiration for Margaret Thatcher (British Prime Minister during the war conflict) speaks of respecting the rights of the islanders introduced in our Malvinas territory in line with the wishes of the British government”, warned in a statement the Confederation of Malvinas Combatants of the Argentine Republic.
20 minutes of talks - by the time they have got the tea and coffee order sorted it would be over!
But it may be a good start. Eventually, there has to be some reconciliation.
Late to the party as befits an early Airbridge pilot!! SLKOwft thanks for the pics of the Herc bomber. We took the No1 from British Wye northbound on one of the Jun/Jul airbridges. He described the bombs dropped on the B Wye as green with a yellow stripe around the nose, (as shown in your #209). I remember thinking that was way too close if you can describe that from the receiving end. He also said that the tanks on the attacked side contained AVCAT.
Which radar was it just up the hill, SW from the control tower? Westinghouse? I remember being told the that an American took just one printed circuit card with him before our boys arrived. We were told he was from the manufacturers and the loss of that one card was enough to make the radar useless.
Many thanks to the MAOT "Motley 9"? Always a welcome voice after 13+ hours.
Also thanks to the Mobile Met Unit, Bill McQueen was it? both at ASI and PSA.
The MMU forecast of a Z pattern jet coming off S America allowed us to pressure pattern fly, going north, until the wind dropped off and achieve 9.40 PSA to ASI.
A Herc record I think. Average northbound flight time was 11 hours.
Great thread, thanks MOGWI et al.
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Which radar was it just up the hill, SW from the control tower? Westinghouse? I remember being told the that an American took just one printed circuit card with him before our boys arrived. We were told he was from the manufacturers and the loss of that one card was enough to make the radar useless.
Many thanks to the MAOT "Motley 9"? Always a welcome voice after 13+ hours.
Also thanks to the Mobile Met Unit, Bill McQueen was it? both at ASI and PSA.
The MMU forecast of a Z pattern jet coming off S America allowed us to pressure pattern fly, going north, until the wind dropped off and achieve 9.40 PSA to ASI.
A Herc record I think. Average northbound flight time was 11 hours.
Great thread, thanks MOGWI et al.
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Which radar was it just up the hill, SW from the control tower? Westinghouse? I remember being told the that an American took just one printed circuit card with him before our boys arrived. We were told he was from the manufacturers and the loss of that one card was enough to make the radar useless.
Great thread, thanks MOGWI et al. 1066
Great thread, thanks MOGWI et al. 1066
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I was part of the team that relocated a TPS 43 and a 44? from Stanley to Canopus Hill overlooking the airfield. One had some damage which I was told was a result of a Black Buck mission . I believe both of them ended up back in the UK.
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Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
The TPS-43 was renamed the T99 radar and went on to serve with 1ACC (144SU) replacing the T-259. It was deployed to Cyprus during GWI to supplement 280SU and was eventually replaced by the T-101 and was taken out of service in 1999. Don’t know what happened to it after that.
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A salutary tale Bergerie1, In October 1940 expat Brits living in Argentina formed The Fellowship of the Bellows (bellows create and air force) to collect money for Beaverbrooks Spitfire fund. that they did so with an element of humour detracts not one whit from what they achieved, their motto was funds through fun ultimately 63000 Argentines were fully committed, the tariff of donations was quite rigid. First donation you became a wiff,, then a puff, puffs became gusts then breezes. It got complicated when you reached hurricane force, after all they were raising funds for Spitfires! RAF museum records show 10 million Argentine pesos rattled into our coffers
The fellowship spread rapidly through South America with Brazil to the fore.
Maybe we should rethink the scheme crowd funded F35B anyone?
The fellowship spread rapidly through South America with Brazil to the fore.
Maybe we should rethink the scheme crowd funded F35B anyone?
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Thanks for that. There must have been some AD radar by July 17 because were told to hold off. We were holding out to the east on the centre line, in and out of the cloud at 150-200ft. When we started winging about the delay, we had been going over 12 hours, we were told PSA was Air Raid Warning Red. OK we'll hold off. Popped up 100ft and hid in the cloud.
My boss, was stood behind looking after the new GOC, Maj Gen Thorne.
Interestingly no one ever thought to brief the "Dam Truckies" about any AD procedures.
Having done four trips by then, with no outside help, we rather resented the mega controlling AD environment which had started with the arrival of the Rangatira on the morning of July 14. It was a beautiful clear still morning and the sound of the Rangatira droping anchor echoed all round Stanley Harbour.
Later in Feb '83 we took part in a tris-service Exercise on West Falkland. 2 hours Low Level with a air drop near Black Mountain on W Falkland only to be told on recovery that radar recoveries were mandatory. Unable, "stuck anti -icing valve". Landed off a visual recovery.
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Thanks for that. There must have been some AD radar by July 17 because were told to hold off. We were holding out to the east on the centre line, in and out of the cloud at 150-200ft. When we started winging about the delay, we had been going over 12 hours, we were told PSA was Air Raid Warning Red. OK we'll hold off. Popped up 100ft and hid in the cloud.
My boss, was stood behind looking after the new GOC, Maj Gen Thorne.
Interestingly no one ever thought to brief the "Dam Truckies" about any AD procedures.
Having done four trips by then, with no outside help, we rather resented the mega controlling AD environment which had started with the arrival of the Rangatira on the morning of July 14. It was a beautiful clear still morning and the sound of the Rangatira droping anchor echoed all round Stanley Harbour.
Later in Feb '83 we took part in a tris-service Exercise on West Falkland. 2 hours Low Level with a air drop near Black Mountain on W Falkland only to be told on recovery that radar recoveries were mandatory. Unable, "stuck anti -icing valve". Landed off a visual recovery.
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The TPS-43 was renamed the T99 radar and went on to serve with 1ACC (144SU) replacing the T-259. It was deployed to Cyprus during GWI to supplement 280SU and was eventually replaced by the T-101 and was taken out of service in 1999. Don’t know what happened to it after that.
Flew from ASI to Stanley, at least that was the plan, and just before PNR we got a authenticated coded message to turn around and head back from whence we came. Upon landing at ASI the next day after about 20 hours airborne, we shut down and not a word was said. Eventually we wandered up to Ops and made some enquiries only to find that newly arrived OC Phantom Det had made a unilateral decision that the weather was unfit for the F4 and therefore also unfit for Albert which was of course total bollocks !
Beamer,
That rings so true!
There was a real culture clash between AT ops and the controlling AD approach. We were used to making our own, individual captain, decisions down route.
Another airbridge was kept holding and like me started pushing to be allowed to land. After landing he told OCOps that he had only 10 mins fuel left before diverting to Montevideo.
Reply, " Oh we won't have let you do that". C130 capt, "You'd have to shoot me down to stop me!"
Experiencing the "Admin normalisation" at ASI and PSA was frustrating to say the least.
The SWO opening the door of our concertina for Stn Cdr's inspection, not long after we had turned in after a northbound night was followed by a loud shut that f'ing door from our Flt Eng.
I don't think we were subject to any more such inspections after that.
Being asked by RAFP on arrival at PSA for a Gen Dec, (General Declaration, a standard form for International flights). "We've not needed one of those before!" "It's just like RAF Germany, Sir"
Studious scanning of area around PSA Twr. " It does not look like Germany to me!" Prior to this the only question on arrival at PSA was, " do you have any mail?"
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That rings so true!
There was a real culture clash between AT ops and the controlling AD approach. We were used to making our own, individual captain, decisions down route.
Another airbridge was kept holding and like me started pushing to be allowed to land. After landing he told OCOps that he had only 10 mins fuel left before diverting to Montevideo.
Reply, " Oh we won't have let you do that". C130 capt, "You'd have to shoot me down to stop me!"
Experiencing the "Admin normalisation" at ASI and PSA was frustrating to say the least.
The SWO opening the door of our concertina for Stn Cdr's inspection, not long after we had turned in after a northbound night was followed by a loud shut that f'ing door from our Flt Eng.
I don't think we were subject to any more such inspections after that.
Being asked by RAFP on arrival at PSA for a Gen Dec, (General Declaration, a standard form for International flights). "We've not needed one of those before!" "It's just like RAF Germany, Sir"
Studious scanning of area around PSA Twr. " It does not look like Germany to me!" Prior to this the only question on arrival at PSA was, " do you have any mail?"
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