WELL DONE FRANCE!
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Originally Posted by Reinhardt
The Assault Ship "Vladivostok" left St Nazaire harbour yesterday night at 2.30 am, for a 10-days cruise in the Atlantic with her Russian crew on board (circa 300) and a couple of French Navy instructors .....
Actually, just a bit more even than that...
Russian Sailors to Take Part in Mistral Warship Sea Trials in France | Russia | RIA Novosti
Russian Sailors to Take Part in Mistral Warship Sea Trials in France
PARIS, September 12 (RIA Novosti) - Russian sailors, who are currently training to crew Mistral-class helicopter carriers, built in France for the Russian Navy, will go to sea Saturday morning to take part in sea trials of the first ship ordered by Moscow, the Vladivostok, a source familiar with the situation told RIA Novosti.
"Yes, Vladivostok will indeed sail Saturday morning for tests. As far as I know, about 200 Russian sailors and the same number of French personnel will be on board," the source said.
This is the first time the ship goes to the sea since the two crews of Russian sailors, a total of 400 people, arrived in the French town of Saint-Nazaire in June.
PARIS, September 12 (RIA Novosti) - Russian sailors, who are currently training to crew Mistral-class helicopter carriers, built in France for the Russian Navy, will go to sea Saturday morning to take part in sea trials of the first ship ordered by Moscow, the Vladivostok, a source familiar with the situation told RIA Novosti.
"Yes, Vladivostok will indeed sail Saturday morning for tests. As far as I know, about 200 Russian sailors and the same number of French personnel will be on board," the source said.
This is the first time the ship goes to the sea since the two crews of Russian sailors, a total of 400 people, arrived in the French town of Saint-Nazaire in June.
France halts delivery of warship to Russia in protest at role in Ukraine | World news | theguardian.com
First Mistral-Class Ship Built for Russia Sets Off for Sea Trials: Reports | Russia | RIA Novosti
So not so much that they can instead eat cake, but have it too? Well done indeed France!
First Mistral-Class Ship Built for Russia Sets Off for Sea Trials: Reports | Russia | RIA Novosti
So not so much that they can instead eat cake, but have it too? Well done indeed France!
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It all explains why the Russians didn't chuck the sh!ts when the Frogs said they weren't getting their ship.
We will see what happens when it comes to handing over the keys day.
We will see what happens when it comes to handing over the keys day.
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Do we need another OP CHARIOT to keep them locked up in port ?
You can dream as much as you want (from the peace of France, it seems, along with the health and social benefits...)
The assault forces which did Chariot now exist only in your dreams, in front of the History Channel ..... Anyway, they were good in Saint Nazaire for sure, as good as they had been in running away from Dunkirk, and surrendering in Singapore
And what does remain of them is probably based in Scotland now, so they might be busy quite soon packing away
Best wishes to the Vladivostk and its crew
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You can dream as much as you want (from the peace of France, it seems, along with the health and social benefits...)
The assault forces which did Chariot now exist only in your dreams, in front of the History Channel ..... Anyway, they were good in Saint Nazaire for sure, as good as they had been in running away from Dunkirk, and surrendering in Singapore
And what does remain of them is probably based in Scotland now, so they might be busy quite soon packing away
Best wishes to the Vladivostk and its crew
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Nothing left now - went in March with the invasion of Crimea.
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The Russian Navy said Saturday that it took over Ukraine’s only submarine, based in Sevastopol, Crimea.
It is now part of Russia’s historic Black Sea Fleet and brings the number of Russian subs stationed in the Crimean peninsula to four.
But this ship is barely sea-worthy, so it’s far from a steal for the Russian defense department.
The St.Andrew’s flag of the Russian Navy was raised on the Zaporizhzhia submarine today, which was commissioned back in 1970 and is considered outdated.
Captain Anatoly Varochkin, the commander of Russia’s Black Sea Fleet’s submarine unit, told RIA Novosti that half of the Zaporizhzhia’s crew, including the sub’s captain, left for Ukraine while the remainder of the vessel’s crew will reportedly serve the Russian navy. Law enforcement authorities in Crimea have released from duties Sergei Gaiduk, the commander of the Ukrainian navy, along with seven others detained Wednesday in the Crimean city of Sevastopol, the KrymInform news agency reported Thursday.
It is now part of Russia’s historic Black Sea Fleet and brings the number of Russian subs stationed in the Crimean peninsula to four.
But this ship is barely sea-worthy, so it’s far from a steal for the Russian defense department.
The St.Andrew’s flag of the Russian Navy was raised on the Zaporizhzhia submarine today, which was commissioned back in 1970 and is considered outdated.
Captain Anatoly Varochkin, the commander of Russia’s Black Sea Fleet’s submarine unit, told RIA Novosti that half of the Zaporizhzhia’s crew, including the sub’s captain, left for Ukraine while the remainder of the vessel’s crew will reportedly serve the Russian navy. Law enforcement authorities in Crimea have released from duties Sergei Gaiduk, the commander of the Ukrainian navy, along with seven others detained Wednesday in the Crimean city of Sevastopol, the KrymInform news agency reported Thursday.
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I didn't know Qatar is right next (cubicle) to Cornwall...
Double-checking the RIA Novosti piece (Russian Sailors to Take Part in Sea Trials on Mistral Warship) as is always a healthy habit... I found the same news referenced in multiple sites, most citing RIA or RT as the source, some citing AFP as the original source. Some of these had 13 Sep as the date (of the newspiece and the departure), some had 16 Sep. Browsing AFP.com now, I don't find that original source. Latest bit seems to be this from 18 Sep, quoting Hollande:
"In regards to the Mistral ships, which were to be delivered (to Russia) at the end of October, I have already said that in the current circumstances, that won't be possible. But if the ceasefire is respected, if order is restored, then they can be delivered and the contract be executed. But we're not there yet."
(Unpopular Hollande faces questions from media | AFP.com)
Anyone seen the sea trials with Russian sailors reported by a respectable news agency? A linky would be nice. One would think it would make a bit of a splash, what with the recent French statements suggesting the deal is frozen now. (Or maybe I'm giving this too much importance, maybe the two things don't rule out each other after all?)
Double-checking the RIA Novosti piece (Russian Sailors to Take Part in Sea Trials on Mistral Warship) as is always a healthy habit... I found the same news referenced in multiple sites, most citing RIA or RT as the source, some citing AFP as the original source. Some of these had 13 Sep as the date (of the newspiece and the departure), some had 16 Sep. Browsing AFP.com now, I don't find that original source. Latest bit seems to be this from 18 Sep, quoting Hollande:
"In regards to the Mistral ships, which were to be delivered (to Russia) at the end of October, I have already said that in the current circumstances, that won't be possible. But if the ceasefire is respected, if order is restored, then they can be delivered and the contract be executed. But we're not there yet."
(Unpopular Hollande faces questions from media | AFP.com)
Anyone seen the sea trials with Russian sailors reported by a respectable news agency? A linky would be nice. One would think it would make a bit of a splash, what with the recent French statements suggesting the deal is frozen now. (Or maybe I'm giving this too much importance, maybe the two things don't rule out each other after all?)
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Class! I don't think that the Russian Navy does class though. Or does it?
Class! I don't think that the Russian Navy does class though. Or does it?
Second sea trials completed
The Vlad V sailed around midnight 23rd Sept for a second workup/sea trials off Belle Ile. Returned to Saint Nazaire 10pm 2nd Oct. At one time she was being shadowed by the Invincible. Turned out this was a French Pilot boat rather than the ghost of the Brit Pilots' boat. Now tied up in the Saint Nazaire Louis Joubert Lock which appears to occupy the same real estate as the old Normandie dry dock of 1942 Chariot fame.
Mr Vlad P says isn't it time the sanctions were relaxed because now is all quiet on the eastern front ? Разве это не истины товарища?
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Mr Vlad P says isn't it time the sanctions were relaxed because now is all quiet on the eastern front ? Разве это не истины товарища?
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Mr Vlad P says isn't it time the sanctions were relaxed because now is all quiet on the eastern front
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Mr Vlad P says isn't it time the sanctions were relaxed because now is all quiet on the eastern front ? Разве это не истины товарища?
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The sanctions should have never been applied in the first place, the whole thing is a joke really. Russia has as much right to be in Ukraine as the US has to be in or bomb Syria! (or Iraq for that matter in 2003)
Continued EU expansion has done Britain no favours, its been a disaster.
Continued EU expansion has done Britain no favours, its been a disaster.
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Russia has as much right to be in Ukraine as the US has to be in or bomb Syria! (or Iraq for that matter in 2003)
Ok Ronald, can you clear this up.
Your saying Russia has a right to intervene in Ukraine, hence the US has a right to intervene in Iraqi and Syria?
Your saying that Russia has a right to invade and annex Ukraine, hence the US has a right to invade and annex Iraqi and Syria.
Or are you saying Russia has no right to do what its doing, neither has the US.
Amazing how you can group two completely different scenarios (and objectives) into the same thing.
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rh200, Obama basically said the US has the right to intervene anywhere if US interests are threatened. Going by that Russia can intervene anywhere if its interests are threatened, come to that so can anyone else at anytime anywhere!
Russia cannot be expected to tolerate Ukraine in NATO or the EU.
As a citizen of a NATO and EU country I see no gain for us by having Ukraine in either NATO or the EU.
Washington makes the rules up as they go along, they really should not complain if others decide to do the same. One could say Washington has set a precedent.
I certainly think seeing the Russians taking a hard line in Eastern Ukraine or Novorossiya as they call it now to protect the civilian population is a good thing. They have essentially created a new country, liberated people from a tyranny they no longer wished to be part of.
Russia cannot be expected to tolerate Ukraine in NATO or the EU.
As a citizen of a NATO and EU country I see no gain for us by having Ukraine in either NATO or the EU.
Washington makes the rules up as they go along, they really should not complain if others decide to do the same. One could say Washington has set a precedent.
I certainly think seeing the Russians taking a hard line in Eastern Ukraine or Novorossiya as they call it now to protect the civilian population is a good thing. They have essentially created a new country, liberated people from a tyranny they no longer wished to be part of.
Next sailing Friday
From docking on 2nd Oct and going off-line after two ten day shakedown/training cruises, Vladi rematerialised a couple of days ago, alongside in the Penhoet Basin.
Yesterday Oct 13, she was shown as next scheduled to move on 20/21 November.
Today, Vladi has been re-scheduled to depart early Friday 17th Oct. Destination/purpose unstated.
TS Smolniy is also in St Nazaire since 30 June, being used as floating HQ and accommodation for the two crews, each 200 strong.
October 31 is apparently the date beyond which late-delivery penalties apply.
"MOSCOW, October 14 (RIA Novosti) – Paris did not notify Moscow about cancelling the Mistral-class warship deal and the delivery schedule remains unchanged, Russian Industry and Trade Minister Denis Manturov said Tuesday. "No formal cancellations were received. The schedule remains unchanged,” the minister said."
Приятного путешествия товарищей LFH
Yesterday Oct 13, she was shown as next scheduled to move on 20/21 November.
Today, Vladi has been re-scheduled to depart early Friday 17th Oct. Destination/purpose unstated.
TS Smolniy is also in St Nazaire since 30 June, being used as floating HQ and accommodation for the two crews, each 200 strong.
October 31 is apparently the date beyond which late-delivery penalties apply.
"MOSCOW, October 14 (RIA Novosti) – Paris did not notify Moscow about cancelling the Mistral-class warship deal and the delivery schedule remains unchanged, Russian Industry and Trade Minister Denis Manturov said Tuesday. "No formal cancellations were received. The schedule remains unchanged,” the minister said."
Приятного путешествия товарищей LFH
Ronald. You don't get any better do you? Perhaps I can help you.
That would be a decision for Ukraine and for NATO. It's exactly your sort of "Russia won't allow it" politics that completely undermines any criticism you make of any other country.
Without raking up the whole "RR's citizenship" issue again, you may not be able to see it, but the Ukraine and plenty of other nations well may. I'm amazed their governments have failed to share their thinking with you.
"They", presumably being Russia, are allowed to do that are they? Not what you were saying about anyone else.
None of this could ever be described as a "joke". Apart from that, bigger minds than yours, with or without US alegence (just in case you thought it all a US conspiracy) thought it was necessary to protect the sovereignty of a country under threat. But you won't see it that way.
So are you now saying the US does have the right to be in or bomb Iraq and Syria? Or are you saying Russia does not have the right to be in Ukraine? You appear to have confused yourself.
Well, that's a matter of opinion. Some, including countries that worked hard to join the Union, clearly think otherwise. So do many traders and businesses in the UK. But you probably regard them as filthy capitalists. If it's really that bad for the UK, not Btitain necessarily, the people of the UK may well get to option to express their preference to leave.
Hope that helps.
Russia cannot be expected to tolerate Ukraine in NATO or the EU.
As a citizen of a NATO and EU country I see no gain for us by having Ukraine in either NATO or the EU.
They have essentially created a new country, liberated people from a tyranny they no longer wished to be part of.
The sanctions should have never been applied in the first place, the whole thing is a joke really.
Russia has as much right to be in Ukraine as the US has to be in or bomb Syria! (or Iraq for that matter in 2003)
Continued EU expansion has done Britain no favours, its been a disaster.
Hope that helps.