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They went on to beat Nazi Germany for us with terrible loss of life. How did the west repay them decades later?! By extending NATO, the North Atlantic Terrorist Organisation all the way right up to the borders of Russia. The Russian government are the good guys here and the west are up to their usual dirty tricks. Its all about control, the west wishes to dominate the entire world while Russia is only really concerned about maintaining control of nations close to it, their own backyard.
They went on to beat Nazi Germany for us with terrible loss of life.
The Russian government are the good guys here
the North Atlantic Terrorist Organisation all the way right up to the borders of Russia.
NATO has always bordered Russia/USSR (think Turkey), and as has been said here before, NATO is not expanding east, it's the East looking to join NATO (the reason being Russia of course). But you're not interested in arguing the facts Ronald from 'Cornwall', so will leave it at that.
Russia is only really concerned about maintaining control of nations close to it
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Without the Soviets its almost certain Nazi Germany would not have been defeated.
Washington and Bonn promised Gorbachev that NATO would not move eastwards at the end of the cold war. This promise was broken. The west cannot be trusted, as simple as that. There was no reason on our part to grant NATO membership for any former Soviet or Warsaw Pact nations. Its not as if they have brought significant military capabilities to the alliance and allowing them to join has made a future war more likely. Seems to me the so called alliance is rapidly spreading far away from the North Atlantic! Its an organisation that has no worthwhile role in the modern era and should be abolished as soon as possible.
You need to re-evaluate who the bad guys are Mel!
Washington and Bonn promised Gorbachev that NATO would not move eastwards at the end of the cold war. This promise was broken. The west cannot be trusted, as simple as that. There was no reason on our part to grant NATO membership for any former Soviet or Warsaw Pact nations. Its not as if they have brought significant military capabilities to the alliance and allowing them to join has made a future war more likely. Seems to me the so called alliance is rapidly spreading far away from the North Atlantic! Its an organisation that has no worthwhile role in the modern era and should be abolished as soon as possible.
You need to re-evaluate who the bad guys are Mel!
Your quote:
My quote:
The two are not mutually exclusive. I do however, disagree with your earlier statement
for the reasons I've given (and others).
If you want to talk about broken promises Ronald, we can talk about the promise that Russia made to respect the sovereignty and territorial integrity of Ukraine. How is that working out?
No reason other than these nations all requested it because they know better than anyone how Russia regards its neighbours. You said it yourself
You need to get your news from somewhere other than RT.
The fact is Ronald, I am not on here pretending to be someone/something I am not. Can you say the same, Ronald from 'Cornwall'.
Without the Soviets its almost certain Nazi Germany would not have been defeated.
I dare say there will be a fair few veterans in this country and many others how might take exception to that, especially as it was Britain alone that kept the fight going against the Nazis while the Soviet Union was hiding behind its Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact. That said, no one in the West would deny the sacrifice that the Russian people made in WW2.
They went on to beat Nazi Germany for us
Washington and Bonn promised Gorbachev that NATO would not move eastwards at the end of the cold war. This promise was broken. The west cannot be trusted, as simple as that. There was no reason on our part to allow NATO membership for any former Soviet or Warsaw Pact nations.
there was no reason on our part to allow NATO membership for any former Soviet or Warsaw Pact nations.
Russia is only really concerned about maintaining control of nations close to it
You need to re-evaluate who the bad guys are Mel!
The fact is Ronald, I am not on here pretending to be someone/something I am not. Can you say the same, Ronald from 'Cornwall'.
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I assume that you feel that the Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances, under which the Ukraine relinquished the stockpile of nuclear weapons, the third largest in the word, for guarantees of territorial integrity, a treaty signed by The Russian Federation, The United States and The United Kingdom, has no relevance here?
If you breach an agreement, in most peoples eyes you are a bad guy....
I assume that you feel that the Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances, under which the Ukraine relinquished the stockpile of nuclear weapons, the third largest in the word, for guarantees of territorial integrity, a treaty signed by The Russian Federation, The United States and The United Kingdom, has no relevance here?
If you breach an agreement, in most peoples eyes you are a bad guy....
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RT is one of the few good sources of news left. One has to ignore every western media source due to pro western propaganda.
The west is like 1984, everything is controlled and monitored. Its all about the continuation of the western elite remaining in power no matter what the cost.
That's what the cold war was about, its got nothing to do with saving so called democracy but everything to do with keeping the elite rich, they would have lost it all had communism prevailed!
Now they wish to control the Ukraine as they control all of eastern Europe. Eventually they wish to control Russia to and all those resources.
The west is like 1984, everything is controlled and monitored. Its all about the continuation of the western elite remaining in power no matter what the cost.
That's what the cold war was about, its got nothing to do with saving so called democracy but everything to do with keeping the elite rich, they would have lost it all had communism prevailed!
Now they wish to control the Ukraine as they control all of eastern Europe. Eventually they wish to control Russia to and all those resources.
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No Philip, Britain has no need to honour it, certainly not after the coup in Kiev when the elected President was ousted in a western coup.
If Russia wants to rebuild the whole USSR then let them, who on earth wants to risk World War 3 and nuclear destruction of the world to prevent it. We lived with the USSR before and we can do it again.
If Russia wants to rebuild the whole USSR then let them, who on earth wants to risk World War 3 and nuclear destruction of the world to prevent it. We lived with the USSR before and we can do it again.
Now they wish to control the Ukraine as they control all of eastern Europe. Eventually they wish to control Russia to and all those resources
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I suppose that if the Russian Federation has decided not to honour the treaty as regards the territorial integrity of The Ukraine, The Ukraine could ask for the Thermo Nuclear Weapons back....
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Ronalds firing on all cylinders today, must be a slow day at the office in Moscow.
It sad that in the twentieth century a major power and their supporters don't believe in the basic right to self determination.
It sad that in the twentieth century a major power and their supporters don't believe in the basic right to self determination.
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"If Russia wants to rebuild the whole USSR then let them, who on earth wants to risk World War 3 and nuclear destruction of the world to prevent it. We lived with the USSR before and we can do it again."
That is an interesting point. When two large parties have nuclear weapons and live next to each other and one party sends troops to invade invade a sovereign state one of those parties is surely risking escalation.
Anyone can live in cloud cookoo land but the fact is that we weren't discussing a threat of WW3 BEFORE the Crimea annex, were we Ronald?
"If Russia wants to rebuild the whole USSR then let them, who on earth wants to risk World War 3 and nuclear destruction of the world to prevent it. We lived with the USSR before and we can do it again."
That is an interesting point. When two large parties have nuclear weapons and live next to each other and one party sends troops to invade invade a sovereign state one of those parties is surely risking escalation.
Anyone can live in cloud cookoo land but the fact is that we weren't discussing a threat of WW3 BEFORE the Crimea annex, were we Ronald?
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RT is one of the few good sources of news left.
Her response was 'Tell him to go ask the journalists from RT why they keep resigning then...'
I've said it before, but it seems especially apt for Ronald and his blinkered view of Russia, Ukraine, and NATO; 'There are none so blind as those that choose not to see'.
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Remember it did not start with the Russian liberation of Crimea but the western coup in Kiev, that's how this all began. The evil and immoral expansionism of the puppet EU with the full backing and support of the American Empire. Russia is right to stick up for the people of Novorossiya and bring them freedom and liberation.
Its great to see a nation stand up to the EU and US. The sooner China replaces the USA as the most powerful nation on Earth the better off the world will be.
Its great to see a nation stand up to the EU and US. The sooner China replaces the USA as the most powerful nation on Earth the better off the world will be.
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RT is one of the few good sources of news left. One has to ignore every western media source due to pro western propaganda.
The west is like 1984, everything is controlled and monitored. Its all about the continuation of the western elite remaining in power no matter what the cost.
That's what the cold war was about, its got nothing to do with saving so called democracy but everything to do with keeping the elite rich, they would have lost it all had communism prevailed!
Now they wish to control the Ukraine as they control all of eastern Europe. Eventually they wish to control Russia to and all those resources.
The west is like 1984, everything is controlled and monitored. Its all about the continuation of the western elite remaining in power no matter what the cost.
That's what the cold war was about, its got nothing to do with saving so called democracy but everything to do with keeping the elite rich, they would have lost it all had communism prevailed!
Now they wish to control the Ukraine as they control all of eastern Europe. Eventually they wish to control Russia to and all those resources.
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RR, If we - that's the Brits and, initially, the Brits alone - had not made war on Germany with all means at our disposal, Hitler could have turned on Russia at his leisure. Had he attacked in full force before Russian production, defence and supply was rearranged he stood a good chance of winning.
The sooner China replaces the USA as the most powerful nation on Earth the better off the world will be.