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Not me, fortunate enough to not pee anyone off so sailed through, although we did have an ex Sgt from 150 back coursed to us so maybe he's the chap you are thinking of
Not me, fortunate enough to not pee anyone off so sailed through, although we did have an ex Sgt from 150 back coursed to us so maybe he's the chap you are thinking of
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I was on 149/150 and I know the sgt that was recoursed. I'm sure we know each other but I'll quit with the probing to protect your anonymity - the DS might be reading this.
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It seems that there was a bad phase between 85-90 ish, cause my experience there at about the same time as Guld War I was fine. OC was a PTI Sqn Ldr J M********K replaced by another PTI Bob A***t both of whome were fair. FS A***s left the service and the Regt Cpl was Jim ?? replaced by Tooby (I think I got that name right) Danny M* was as barking as ever running up hill and down dale at his age, John M**ne, and Jim D**n along with FEng Andy H****s who aside from being a descent chap could start the Nim Sim in record quick time. There was another H****s (ALM) (Phil) who could be a bit strange (read as inflexible) at times but wasnt too bad. CSRO were Mudrock & Dave Pells; DP passed away recently sadly, and along with Jeff Lon****r were good guys. There was a female loadie DS, but I cannot remember her name. (Lynn??)
In summary, they all did what they were there for, and I would buy any one of them a beer should we meet in a bar. Perhaps this was an unusually good phase. NB If Danny did not take to you, then you had dipped it bigstyle, and I am quite certain he had the strength of character to influence the others.
In summary, they all did what they were there for, and I would buy any one of them a beer should we meet in a bar. Perhaps this was an unusually good phase. NB If Danny did not take to you, then you had dipped it bigstyle, and I am quite certain he had the strength of character to influence the others.
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Are we not talking about a dude who once admitted to pleasuring himself whilst tearing down the M4 and wanted your sister/mothers soiled panties?
Always wondered if he tried it out down route - don't reach for power levers in the dark
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Having seen lads pour blood and puss out of their excellent DMS boots so they could carry on rather than VS was just the culture at the time I guess
. Brufen was your friend, the Med assists also were very sympathetic in a warming way on a cold night, never been fitter in my life. Cranwell was for homos and gas lighting BBQ fags
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Are we not talking about a dude who once admitted to pleasuring himself whilst tearing down the M4 and wanted your sister/mothers soiled panties?
Always wondered if he tried it out down route - don't reach for power levers in the dark
.Having seen lads pour blood and puss out of their excellent DMS boots so they could carry on rather than VS was just the culture at the time I guess
. Brufen was your friend, the Med assists also were very sympathetic in a warming way on a cold night, never been fitter in my life. Cranwell was for homos and gas lighting BBQ fags.Charlie sends
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and wanted your sister/mothers soiled panties?
Jeez, if that's the worst "mental abuse" that had to be dealt with I'm surprised anyone ever failed... Or was this at Cranwell?
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The guy in question was a substantive Sgt prior to having to go Plastique, they took an immediate dislike to him and he failed the ITC. Next day he went back to the top floor wearing his substantive Sgt Stripes, the man had b*lls! There was a bit of a kerfuffle as I remember, conversation went along the lines of I have failed a course to become a Sgt well I is one innit and I am wearing these whilst waiting to see the AOC.
Funnily enough he made it to Sgt Aircrew very quickly but it put some of the already mentioned names right out of kilter!
A few months later a friend of mine, an ex Cpl fairy VS'd and as he had already been boarded and got his blue letter prior to the ITC and AEELS, PMA basically posted him back into a Sgts slot and sent him for GST2. The n**bers in the ITC block tried to make a strong case that he shouldn't have to do GST2 as he had done the ITC.
Er nope don't think so said PMA not a recognised Sgt's course! Diplomats as ever!! Made me smile for many a year that story!
Funnily enough he made it to Sgt Aircrew very quickly but it put some of the already mentioned names right out of kilter!
A few months later a friend of mine, an ex Cpl fairy VS'd and as he had already been boarded and got his blue letter prior to the ITC and AEELS, PMA basically posted him back into a Sgts slot and sent him for GST2. The n**bers in the ITC block tried to make a strong case that he shouldn't have to do GST2 as he had done the ITC.
Er nope don't think so said PMA not a recognised Sgt's course! Diplomats as ever!!
Made me smile for many a year that story!
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"Mmmmm Danny Mellor........another one from the Pender mould. Anyone around from 157?"
What a nightmare that man was, favourite quote "you ain't going home this weekend" knob, lol.
Seems I had such a bad time of it I can't even remember the course number, according to my logbook it started on the 12th of Jan 1991.
What I do remember was :
Doing leopard crawls in the snow.
Going for a run every day wearing boots.
The dreaded canal crossing/run.
Our tents blowing away on the first night of Otterburn week and having to stay in some abandoned youth hostel (massive result)
Getting completely lost on my final lead and getting pointed in the right direction by one of the staff (top bloke, thanks)
The rest is just to painful to remember, lol.
What a nightmare that man was, favourite quote "you ain't going home this weekend" knob, lol.
Seems I had such a bad time of it I can't even remember the course number, according to my logbook it started on the 12th of Jan 1991.
What I do remember was :
Doing leopard crawls in the snow.
Going for a run every day wearing boots.
The dreaded canal crossing/run.
Our tents blowing away on the first night of Otterburn week and having to stay in some abandoned youth hostel (massive result)
Getting completely lost on my final lead and getting pointed in the right direction by one of the staff (top bloke, thanks)
The rest is just to painful to remember, lol.
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Whoareya,
You and I were on the same ITC, and I can't remember the number either! I had a flasn back last week when I was party to the junior IOT cadets having to do leopard crawls in the snow!!! Happy days,
You and I were on the same ITC, and I can't remember the number either! I had a flasn back last week when I was party to the junior IOT cadets having to do leopard crawls in the snow!!! Happy days,
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I don't know if anyone ever equalled our (157) record of no weekends off at all during the whole of AAITC, one particular reason I remember (Another HP classic) was him doing a block inspection and finding a brick wrapped in bodge tape, used for '58 Webbing weights, and decided it was an IED, bang went another weekend as we had to parade at various hours of the early morning and report to the guardroom on each occasion. On the next course DM was the flt cdr and on the Sunday before the course started beasted them all repeatedly up and down heartattack hill. All going well untill someone broke an ankle, all hell broke loose after that.
Whilst doing a Jetstream refresher course at Scargill International many years ago, I visited the Plastic Factory to chat with a chum who'd been on a previous aircraft type with me and was then on the staff.
Who, it has to be said, was indeed a wiry little porridge-w*g. But not the one so disliked by Seldomfitforpurpose! He I encountered about 20 years later - you have my sympathies.
What surprised me most were the bed packs - it was like a 1950s National Service billet. Complete with shiny lino floor which I wasn't keen to walk on as some poor sod would only have to polish it again. We hadn't even suffered such bull as Flt Cdts at the RAFC in pre-Green Shield days.
It didn't look like a fun place......
Who, it has to be said, was indeed a wiry little porridge-w*g. But not the one so disliked by Seldomfitforpurpose! He I encountered about 20 years later - you have my sympathies.
What surprised me most were the bed packs - it was like a 1950s National Service billet. Complete with shiny lino floor which I wasn't keen to walk on as some poor sod would only have to polish it again. We hadn't even suffered such bull as Flt Cdts at the RAFC in pre-Green Shield days.
It didn't look like a fun place......
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Bigley:
Happy days indeed mate, well sort of, lol. Glad I only did it once!
I'm thinking course 163 ? Might be wrong.
Does the saying "Standards on the ground, standards in the air" mean anything ?
Happy days indeed mate, well sort of, lol. Glad I only did it once!
I'm thinking course 163 ? Might be wrong.
Does the saying "Standards on the ground, standards in the air" mean anything ?
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Polishing the copper pipes in the bog at 2am was a joy to behold.
Mickey B's saying was: "Standards - Aircrew Die"
If I heard that once, I must have heard it a thousand times. Positively brain washed by it I be. McN*M**a is (was) getting away with the banter well.
Mickey B's saying was: "Standards - Aircrew Die"
If I heard that once, I must have heard it a thousand times. Positively brain washed by it I be. McN*M**a is (was) getting away with the banter well.
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Naming names et al
I was quite interested to see the diatribe about naming names etc earlier on in this thread. A fair number of 'high horses' in evidence I thought.
So, let me get this straight. It's OK to mention politicians, actors, sportsmen, criminals, heroes, historical figures etc etc.
But at what level ISN'T it OK to name names, at what point do the above suddenly qualify for 'privacy'? Or even 'closing of ranks'. . .
Then we come to the subject of this thread, AAITC (I did mine half at Topcliffe and half at Finningley). I had Paddy Quaid who was outstanding and kept us out of the ****, mainly because he led by a nose! We RESPECTED him, he was a man's man - even when we had to do the sh1tty stuff. If you needed a bollicking, you got , then it was over.
BUT, during my time as a student and two tours as an instructor (on Doms, at different times) I saw the Flt Commanders - who have been mentioned, revelling in their power and trying to outdo each other in their unreasonableness.
It might be 'unethical' in the complainants' ethos to name names, but those guys thoroughly deserve it. Call it 'karma payback' if you like. And if some of those people read this about peoples' opinions of them - then 'GOOD'.
AAITC was never meant to be a picnic, and indeed it wasn't. Paddy Quaid managed it without the same levels of inhumanity and meglomania I saw later and on other courses. Sadly the good guys were often eclipsed by the @rseholes, posers and self-styled demigods mentioned.
So please educate me, who can we mention, who can't we mention and then give me a good reason to justify that stance?
If you can't, then STFU about it.
"As ye sow, so shall ye reap" just about covers it.
So, let me get this straight. It's OK to mention politicians, actors, sportsmen, criminals, heroes, historical figures etc etc.
But at what level ISN'T it OK to name names, at what point do the above suddenly qualify for 'privacy'? Or even 'closing of ranks'. . .
Then we come to the subject of this thread, AAITC (I did mine half at Topcliffe and half at Finningley). I had Paddy Quaid who was outstanding and kept us out of the ****, mainly because he led by a nose! We RESPECTED him, he was a man's man - even when we had to do the sh1tty stuff. If you needed a bollicking, you got , then it was over.
BUT, during my time as a student and two tours as an instructor (on Doms, at different times) I saw the Flt Commanders - who have been mentioned, revelling in their power and trying to outdo each other in their unreasonableness.
It might be 'unethical' in the complainants' ethos to name names, but those guys thoroughly deserve it. Call it 'karma payback' if you like. And if some of those people read this about peoples' opinions of them - then 'GOOD'.
AAITC was never meant to be a picnic, and indeed it wasn't. Paddy Quaid managed it without the same levels of inhumanity and meglomania I saw later and on other courses. Sadly the good guys were often eclipsed by the @rseholes, posers and self-styled demigods mentioned.
So please educate me, who can we mention, who can't we mention and then give me a good reason to justify that stance?
If you can't, then STFU about it.
"As ye sow, so shall ye reap" just about covers it.
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13th September 2006, 08:21
Could this be a small case of hypocrisy, given your earlier stance of naming names?
Not that tit H*** P**d*r?
If 'twas he, I can well believe it. Utter dork.
If 'twas he, I can well believe it. Utter dork.
Could this be a small case of hypocrisy, given your earlier stance of naming names?
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"As ye sow, so shall ye reap" just about covers it.
As I said, if you spent time being an arse to people then you shouldn't be surprised when those people call you an arse. I'll expand that to add that if you can't take being called an arse 20 years later then you probably should have thought of that earlier.
"Publish and be damned" is what I say... Well, actually... it was someone else... But I agree with the sentiment.
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Some of it was- the black humour and the getting one over on 'them' kept you going. It was a game, or as another poster wrote, a hoop, on the way to what we wanted. The DS had the rulebook, the whistle and the red and yellow cards. Our PTI beasted us yes, but also kept us informed as to how we were doing. FS Hoath really was playing a role- he was a tidy bloke.
Mike Evans was our Flt Cdr, ex Herk nav and STC number 8. When he arrived at 33 a couple of years later, to be a nav/crewman he was fair game. We gave him loads and he took it on the chin. Another tidy bloke.
Means to an end and character building.
CG
It didn't look like a fun place......
Mike Evans was our Flt Cdr, ex Herk nav and STC number 8. When he arrived at 33 a couple of years later, to be a nav/crewman he was fair game. We gave him loads and he took it on the chin. Another tidy bloke.
Means to an end and character building.
CG