Leave allocation 2015/6
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Emirates has hit the rock bottom
16 months between last leave and next leave.
Emirates is a terrible place to work. For all you considering joining then do yourself a big favour stay well clear
Emirates is a terrible place to work. For all you considering joining then do yourself a big favour stay well clear
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Ladies and Gentlemen, I am not easily incensed by the ramblings of this organisation. There is a limit and after some time here they finally hit it out the park....No leave for a year and a half.. Family, kids...how much of this are we expected to accept? I am now finally in purgatory it's official. I don't make threats because they are pointless, action is after all most important. This is the catalyst for my wife and I, a fundamental change in mindset. We all have to leave the UAE at some point, better on your own terms with your fund in hand. My date is now set. Thank you to the Company for finally pushing me off the fence.
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It's appalling. The fact that they can't afford to give leave to such a large number of people year on year off shows the contempt to which they hold the crew.
This is an airline composed of expats primarily. To deny them the use of their leave even after giving the company 6 different options throughly the primary and secondary bid process is truly a sad state of affairs. It is really a case of management by crisis.
They refuse to change their ways, attrition goes up, the pool dries up, leaving a mess in terms of manning. Rather than acknowledge the problem, eat some humble pie and work things out, they persist in their ways making it worse by the day. They try to fix a self inflicted problem by further aggravating the workforce. Talk about delusional management.
I ask what do they expect from employees if they deny them leave to enjoy with their family, if restrict time off, increase workload. It really is a poisoned environment. Greed has taken the upper hand, and I believe the tipping point has been passed. History teaches us that great cultures failed because of greed and power. It's a pity this company did not heed history's lessons.
This is an airline composed of expats primarily. To deny them the use of their leave even after giving the company 6 different options throughly the primary and secondary bid process is truly a sad state of affairs. It is really a case of management by crisis.
They refuse to change their ways, attrition goes up, the pool dries up, leaving a mess in terms of manning. Rather than acknowledge the problem, eat some humble pie and work things out, they persist in their ways making it worse by the day. They try to fix a self inflicted problem by further aggravating the workforce. Talk about delusional management.
I ask what do they expect from employees if they deny them leave to enjoy with their family, if restrict time off, increase workload. It really is a poisoned environment. Greed has taken the upper hand, and I believe the tipping point has been passed. History teaches us that great cultures failed because of greed and power. It's a pity this company did not heed history's lessons.
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10 days total leave for 2015, forced leave for 2016- overlapping Jan/Feb so they can be sure to get my maximum hours in for both months, therefore leaving me totally exhausted for my 15 days of forced "leave". 16 days unused/remaining. No leave that coincides with my kid's holidays for at least 15 months, if ever. 13 years here and only 5 peak leaves in the past- despite being assured in my interview I would get peak leave with my family every year- but just not guaranteed which peak leave it would be. Yeah right. My kids don't know who I am. Don't come work at Emirates if you have a family.
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What a joke....4 days of leaves in 2015 (in a 17 month period starting in 2014) and then suddenly 30 days in the lats 2 month of 2016. How can it be possible?? Well it can if you read the OMA, minimum 30 days between 1 avril and 31 march. I believe they have lost it completely.....
Not a single day with my kids, what a joke
Not a single day with my kids, what a joke
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Same here, only 30 days in total, which is the minimum, 12 now being added to the 4 that had already been carried over from last year. So the following year will now need the 42 plus 16. How can I expect to take 58 when we're just managing 30? The hole is just getting deeper and deeper. Those that should be digging us out will be long gone in a few years with their fat bonuses. 
I assume the last eight posters will take a few minutes away from these forums to email their displeasure to those that 'manage' us. Or will the 'what's the point' attitude prevail? They already know they're short but swamping an inbox with a few lines from everyone will do no harm. This IS a contractual issue so don't just bend over and moan for this one.
Harry
I assume the last eight posters will take a few minutes away from these forums to email their displeasure to those that 'manage' us. Or will the 'what's the point' attitude prevail? They already know they're short but swamping an inbox with a few lines from everyone will do no harm. This IS a contractual issue so don't just bend over and moan for this one.
Harry
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30 days in the first round. ZERO in the second. No kids so bid for months that should be unpopular. 21days to carry since we all know that no further leave will now be granted.
I guess option 2 will need to be used more frequently.
They really don't get it. Planes don't fly themselves, they might hate us but unfortunately sharp suits and ties in EGHQ don't move the profit centre. Is there no one in there with any idea of how to build a winning culture.
I was quite positive but I guess they finally managed to get to me.
Perhaps our esteemed management would like to post their leave bids and how successful they were at getting what they wanted.
I guess option 2 will need to be used more frequently.
They really don't get it. Planes don't fly themselves, they might hate us but unfortunately sharp suits and ties in EGHQ don't move the profit centre. Is there no one in there with any idea of how to build a winning culture.
I was quite positive but I guess they finally managed to get to me.
Perhaps our esteemed management would like to post their leave bids and how successful they were at getting what they wanted.
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Short of staff
Agreed, it's become a joke.
I've been given leave in a useless month for me in 2016 to take me up to the minimum 30 days.
Surely now management higher up will have their eyes open to the fact we are desperately short of pilots and it's only getting worse.
T's and C's need to improve quickly or Emirates will be to far down a very slippery slope....
Alan
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I've been given leave in a useless month for me in 2016 to take me up to the minimum 30 days.
Surely now management higher up will have their eyes open to the fact we are desperately short of pilots and it's only getting worse.
T's and C's need to improve quickly or Emirates will be to far down a very slippery slope....
Alan
Crystal Palace
short flights long nights
Does not our contract say 42 leave days a year? Anyway good luck everyone...49 days to go.....
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A minimum of 30 days annual leave each leave year..( leave year commence on 01 April and ends on 31 march. So theoretically ( worse case scenario) you could be running 30 days of leave only in a 22 month period. Did you ever thing about it.....
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After giving me 21 days in a month that is no use to me in my primary the company gave me 5 days in another useless month. What am I going to do with 5 days off? I will still work a full 92 hour month so those 5 days besides being useless to me will cause me to get more tired than I would if I didn't have the vacation at all.
To top it all off I still have 106 vacation days that the company can't seem to allocate to me. After being here over 10 years I haven't gotten close to even 30 days a year in vacation days.
It is really going South at Emirates and I have no idea why the company is piling it on in every capacity to us.
To top it all off I still have 106 vacation days that the company can't seem to allocate to me. After being here over 10 years I haven't gotten close to even 30 days a year in vacation days.
It is really going South at Emirates and I have no idea why the company is piling it on in every capacity to us.
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33 days of leave for the exercise (so i should be happy?), of which 26 assigned (not happy after all)
1 week of leave in 15 consecutive months...that has to hurt
1 week of leave in 15 consecutive months...that has to hurt
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Well I got all my 35 days leave in the first round, pretty much what i bid for. Nothing in the second round. So my carried over total over reaches nearly 20 days... Yet again less that the Contracted leave awarded
I gave the summer leave some flexibility, not a fixed date bid. This is the 3rd year I got peak summer leave
Not bragging here, just don't know how I did it.
The wheels are seriously falling off the EK waggon for most, in that the morale reaches yet new lows, and still EK management keep digging.
I have already started looking elsewhere and feelers are going out Habibis.
SyB
I gave the summer leave some flexibility, not a fixed date bid. This is the 3rd year I got peak summer leave
Not bragging here, just don't know how I did it. The wheels are seriously falling off the EK waggon for most, in that the morale reaches yet new lows, and still EK management keep digging.
I have already started looking elsewhere and feelers are going out Habibis.
SyB
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from a distant and now brain washed memory....
The 30 days is UAE leave (law) and it is being applied to most pilots as there is a massive shortage of flight crew. The other 12 days is an excuse or offering for the reason that flight crew do not get the holiday days that are given to people in the offices, this is a bonus to you in the eyes of the Ivory tower, not a right.
I am staggered at the number of people I have spoken to of recent who are on the verge of pulling the ejector seat handle, it's not just rumour anymore but fact. Dilution of experience is the only way to solve the issue of lack of Captains and earlier upgrades, this will be fact shortly.
EMIRATES IS MOVING EVER CLOSER TO ASIA WITH ITS SAFETY STRATEGY AND CULTURE. There might be some free brand advertising on the NEWS before long if the hours increase and other considerations of desperate measures continue.
The really really sad thing is that I think the arrogant attitude from on high is that if there was a hull loss, they could recover from it. With this mighty brand name they will try to blame a poor, fatigued pilot who was overworked and lacking having a humane life. The drive for profit line is not increasing as fast as the risk of a hull loss is going up in my opinion.
As someone said before, this is fast becoming the worst decision I ever made in my career.
J
The 30 days is UAE leave (law) and it is being applied to most pilots as there is a massive shortage of flight crew. The other 12 days is an excuse or offering for the reason that flight crew do not get the holiday days that are given to people in the offices, this is a bonus to you in the eyes of the Ivory tower, not a right.
I am staggered at the number of people I have spoken to of recent who are on the verge of pulling the ejector seat handle, it's not just rumour anymore but fact. Dilution of experience is the only way to solve the issue of lack of Captains and earlier upgrades, this will be fact shortly.
EMIRATES IS MOVING EVER CLOSER TO ASIA WITH ITS SAFETY STRATEGY AND CULTURE. There might be some free brand advertising on the NEWS before long if the hours increase and other considerations of desperate measures continue.
The really really sad thing is that I think the arrogant attitude from on high is that if there was a hull loss, they could recover from it. With this mighty brand name they will try to blame a poor, fatigued pilot who was overworked and lacking having a humane life. The drive for profit line is not increasing as fast as the risk of a hull loss is going up in my opinion.
As someone said before, this is fast becoming the worst decision I ever made in my career.
J
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Wow summer leave 3 years in a row SYB.. that is awesome. I too did flexible summer bids but didn't matter. I am happy for you (jealous but happy) as in fact, this is the way it should be in normal companies. However, just proves the point that "priority will be given to those who did not get Peak leave the year before"- is just another one of their bull**it lines.