Well,guys,all this comments,even they show some friction between people and everybody is entitled to have an opinion,are good stuff,still to some of us in the pool may be look a little distant,because what we have is nothing compare to what we hope to get and apparently you already have.
What I'm saying is,that we would like some inside information about the poolers as well.
This altogether with your comments,will be a great help for us!
I'd like to thank you though for the activity of this thread that it was really missing!
I agree with you in large part. But I don’t agree that our current occupation is just disposable or is as easy as driving a bus. I just think that MOST of the people who do this job are so capable that they make it look easy. But in my previous post, I was speaking to what I think most of have bought into….the career of yester year airline pilots. There was a time when pilot lived great lives and were compensated well. I know my friends at Southwest Airline currently still live an existence that is rather envious with a company that still seems committed to an employee/management cooperation and teamwork. Hell, wouldn’t it be nice to be well compensated for the sacrifices you put into learning your craft and time away from family and the professionalism you bring to work everyday? I am under no delusion about us being more special than most professional careers. But it was bad before the economic down turn and now it’s worst.
I am simply saying that pilots, whether they consider themselves too lazy or incapable of doing other things for a living, are indeed very much capable of giving this up and doing other things; largely because the guys and gals in this profession are very capable people. But so many of us are willing to give up the very things that make life worth living in the pursuit of shiny jets and airlines that we think will bring a better life; me included.
So, for those guys who have been complaining about changes to T&C and pining over Emirates or any airline as the holly grail. Well, as is obvious from what is happening at Emirates and everywhere…. Nothing is guaranteed, so choose the path for yourself that brings the most happiness. My buddy will be fine…. so will all of us, whether you choose Emirates or any other airline. It really comes down these days to choosing, if you have the option, to living life and being as happy as you can be given your own personal circumstance. Rather than speculate as to when good T&C will comeback to the industry……take the bull by the horns and make a choice about your circumstance….Stay at Emirates, then stay and live with it…..if not pick your moment carefully and get the hell out of there or where ever you are.
Last edited by drnetsurfer : 3rd March 2009 at 21:07.
Drnetsurfer,
You say a lot of nice flowery things. But so much of what we have endured in this industry, especially the US (Deregulation, Lorenzo, controller's strike, Low Cost carriers, BKs, 9/11, economic downturns, etc etc) that pilot's have no control over. If I may speak for a number of posters here. We have a fairly successful employer who does magic with marketing and usually has turned a nice profit. And in the past we have benefitted from that. But with this last set of T&Cs it appears that economic downturn is just an excuse to gain more control, limit our abilities to "have a life" and in some ways appear to be punitive.
Very few guys here said to themselves, you know I want to be an Emirates pilot. The majority are here because of some unforeseen event in their home country and airline or a chance to better their economic situation. We are the modern day French Forgien Legion. Even so, there are many here, for whatever reasons, would or could not take their families back from whence they came. So you will not garner much sympathy from someone from the land of milk and honey.
So if one has no job, this looks like Utopia. But once we are here we see it for what it really is and the absolute control management has over every aspect of you lives. From how and where you live, to sending an email to management when you leave the country on your own. And the guys that have been here ten years or so say it was pretty darn good in those days. We all wonder why there has had to be a change when so many of the changes have nothing to do with the bottom line or efficiencies.
Finally, before separating from active duty maybe you should have thought long and hard about making twenty and then bailing. Is your friend flying in the Guard or Reserves, and if not, why not?
And please check your font, man I can't read your last paragraphs on your posts. What's up with that?
Sorry Brother…..I understand what you’re saying. I can be a little flowery (ok hell a lot flowery) and whimsical in my post. My apologies. I know most of the guys and gals here are hardened airline pilots and I forget they have trouble with flowery and lofty ideas. As for the font, I think this site automatically reduces your BS when you type too fast and too much when you get on your soapbox. So, it automatically reduced the font size without my control….let me see if I can fix that.
I actually got a call from a friend who happens to be recruiting right now for a C-9 unit. And he is going to do his best to get our mutual friend who is furloughed into the reserves….I have long been in the reserves. But I left active duty like many of friends after Bosnia, Operation Southern Watch, Afganistan, and even I got recalled to Iraq in 2006 to do a desk job. Too many deployments and too much time away made the airlines seem attractive to us at the time. Now some of us are kicking ourselves for getting out of active duty. But with the reserves, you can still manage a retirement and even reduced health care cost.
Sorry to read that Emirates has decided to take such a hard line with you guys. I hope things get better for you guys since it seems to be a good product but crappy management team pulling the strings.
I agree with you in large part. But I don’t agree that our current occupation is just disposable or is as easy as driving a bus. I just think that MOST of the people who do this job are so capable that they make it look easy.
What I was meaning was, in today's economy we're here to haul and not to fly wealthy happy fews around hence the reason why we're no royalty anymore. Wether easy or difficult, we've become as natural as dying old and like many things, we too, are now taken for granted.
Sully will be forgotten comes 4th of July so is the pace of life nowadays. The only thing that could change something is no more young people wanting to apply.
I come from a banker's family ( they've been retired a while so hold your fire ) and of course when I decided to become a pilot it was the end of the world as we knew it and a considerable effort was deployed to put me off the idea. As any young chap ( sensible ) would also say today..........I told them to sod off.
Now I'm asking you, what job ( if you're working for a major ) despite the irritations, the time away ...........etc gives you the kind of freedom we enjoy ? Again in a major. I know too well what it's like elsewhere.
Many a night I ask myself " What the f..k am I doing up here counting the stars ? " but then in the 22 years I have been here, no one has ever been on my back, no harrasement or intimidation, office politics zilch !! Don't feel like getting up and go to work ?? Just call in sick; that simple.
I've got friends who are not pilots and they probably fly more than I do, have their bags lost and come home at 11pm with the last flight to start all over again the next day.
To rap up and looking back I think the best in this business is to fly short haul for a major, enjoy the perks it offers and sleep in a bed every night.
Apart from putting food in your plate I don't know what's to enjoy in a low cost specially working for this irish lunatic.
I'm very dizzy and out of breath after all that drama.
Now I would like to say to the last dozen guys or so who have
completely hijacked this thread from it's once very productive
beginnings....Please.......PISS OFF !!!!!!!!!!!!
This thread is for info on the progression of us poor guys
in the pool who have been treading water for almost a year now.
Not for you to vent about god knows what..........
If it's not about people getting pulled out and put on course
then please.......take it some where else.
Sully will be forgotten comes 4th of July so is the pace of life nowadays.
Seems the rest of the crew has already been forgotten..how did he let that happen???
Obbie, you sound like a manager....if it's not being done my way it can't be right.
Think of the positive, this thread regularly drops off the front page, then gets propped up with some arbitary question, since the last dozen or so posts it has been at the top, nice and easy to find.
It's also nice to see the older (been here longer) guys sparring with the newer guys who are still coming to grips with the FIFO style of the place!
Obbie,
Please, PISS OFF YOURSELF. This a thread for guys wanting information about the pool. Other questions arise about lifestyle, rostering, etc. It ain't a bed of roses here, despite the recruiting shill. We are trying to prepare guys to not be blind sided when they get here.
Man, if you can't take the heat of this thread, can't wait for some of the trainers to get hold of you. Now that should be a hoot. And after a year, you will probably be on these boards daily saying what a bucket full of caca this place is.
I also interviewed in May last year and just holding my breath in the pool. I know that many people choose to join/ or not to join Emirates based on personal experiences. I am just glad that i do have a choice and will make the decision that is best for me and my family and that entails joining Emirates.
Best of luck to everyone in the pool and i am hoping we hear something soon.
If you are still flying A: hiring should start in the summer and B; think hard about leaving your present job, its not as bad as you think it is or flying longhaul/widebody is also not what you think it is. Do what is best for your family not you the pilot.
If you go 1 year without flying you might be dropped from the pool, I thought those people were told so.
Is it true that EK is inviting to the interviews only pilots with widebody experience? I heard that from a pilot that works in recruitment. Please let me know if that is the new policy.
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