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Don't think for one second because you are paying less money that you are not being profited from just as much. It's a mute point really but I'm willing to bet L3/Cae actually make less per student than others in terms of gross margin. Their advantage comes with the quantity. They (Cae globally) can pump out upwards of 50+ cadets per month when times are good. A quick check on companies house will tell you CAE made £1mill operating loss 2015/2016! No doubt due to lack of students in 2014/5.
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Good question, BAA is part of same group as aviation CV, Avia Solutions Group. And no one bigger for p2f in Europe then aviation CV! They advertise at least several p2f offers at any given time!
Hence BAA is as bad as anyone!
Hence BAA is as bad as anyone!
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I don't understand. Why are people blaming BAA? I thought P2F was about the "employee" paying the "employer" to work... what does the flight school have anything to do with it? It's like blaming your local university because Microsoft asked you to pay for your internship. Am I missing something here?
At the very least, BAA benefits from the type rating and other courses you'd need before you can P2F, but then again, nobody forced you to go and work for a P2F airline...
At the very least, BAA benefits from the type rating and other courses you'd need before you can P2F, but then again, nobody forced you to go and work for a P2F airline...
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Sorry but that's not correct at all.
BAA is the medium through which you get into a pay-to-fly. They see nothing wrong with it which is their prerogative but it's virtually indefensible imo.
The employer, in your analogy simply advertises through BAA to find the employee, who stumps up the cash for a job. These people deny potentially better candidates who don't see it necessary to pay 30-50-70k(???), a job.
BAA is the medium through which you get into a pay-to-fly. They see nothing wrong with it which is their prerogative but it's virtually indefensible imo.
The employer, in your analogy simply advertises through BAA to find the employee, who stumps up the cash for a job. These people deny potentially better candidates who don't see it necessary to pay 30-50-70k(???), a job.
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Yeah they are both to blame , just another grab for cash.
I take it that many of you are just starting out your careers , don't shoot yourselves in the foot. Take a stand against all kinds of pay to work and low paying conditions.
Quite sad to see EK and CX in shambles . Maybe I'm naive enough to think we can change it together
I take it that many of you are just starting out your careers , don't shoot yourselves in the foot. Take a stand against all kinds of pay to work and low paying conditions.
Quite sad to see EK and CX in shambles . Maybe I'm naive enough to think we can change it together
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I see... So BAA is like the recruitment company? So the negativity is coming from "why did they agree to do this??"
But even so, why is the blame seemingly on BAA alone? Which company is advertising P2F through BAA right now? Which airlines have had P2F schemes?
But even so, why is the blame seemingly on BAA alone? Which company is advertising P2F through BAA right now? Which airlines have had P2F schemes?
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Thing is, it depends on how you dress it up.
Many 'honourable' western carriers have run programmes, and continue to do so, whereby the candidate is required to pay extortionate sums for their type rating.
That extortionate sum covers the type rating, all line training, as well as a small profit for the airline. But that's not pay2fly is it?
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Many 'honourable' western carriers have run programmes, and continue to do so, whereby the candidate is required to pay extortionate sums for their type rating.
That extortionate sum covers the type rating, all line training, as well as a small profit for the airline. But that's not pay2fly is it?
Interesting
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suppose buying 500hrs on a320 to start flying is considered unethical? What happens after that? Will one be able to secure a job having the mandatory 500 hours (which is for insurance purposes i hear) suffice?
the prospect of being nearly 40 after training not having much hope especially where the market is flooded with 20 somethings completed training with their parents help or taken massive loans without a hint of reality of repaying for their ab-initio?
the question remains, how one get the first job after training.
maybe there's a need for the employers to re-think their approach for considering their future pilot employees and not just concentrating on putting a 20 year old on a 40 year pathway plan where most likely a lot of them would leave to greater pastures. #wishful-thinking
the prospect of being nearly 40 after training not having much hope especially where the market is flooded with 20 somethings completed training with their parents help or taken massive loans without a hint of reality of repaying for their ab-initio?
the question remains, how one get the first job after training.
maybe there's a need for the employers to re-think their approach for considering their future pilot employees and not just concentrating on putting a 20 year old on a 40 year pathway plan where most likely a lot of them would leave to greater pastures. #wishful-thinking
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It would seem there aren't that many willing to sign up to p2f schemes. Companies who historically always ran them in place of preselected non p2f cadets are now opening up cadet programmes because there aren't enough joining their p2f programmes post CPL/IR. Small planet and Avion Express though still have kept their p2f programmes for CPL/IR holders though for the few that are interested.
