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Old 17th Sep 2017, 11:59
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BAA Pay to Fly

Is Baltic Aviation Academy offering pay to fly after the type rating is finished?

If so with who?

They claim to be a professional organisation, how in their right minds can they tell pilots to pay for employment.
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Old 17th Sep 2017, 13:06
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Yes they do, mainly with Small Planet Airlines! Also with Pegasus in turkey, and several asian airlines in Vietnam, Cambodia etc...

Thats really bad what they do!

Stay away from them!
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Old 17th Sep 2017, 13:40
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Thank you !

I will never pay nobody , only here to expose airlines that do this
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Old 17th Sep 2017, 13:50
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rubbish upon rubbish lol

There is currently no paytofly with baa and small planet, pegasus hasn't happened for a while now ... i would be the last person to defend baa but at least be truthful and logical, cos in that case there is more than 1 flight school we can attack!
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Old 17th Sep 2017, 15:30
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I have recent email to prove about pegasus! also it run on their website in last 2-3 months, offering 100, 200, and 500 hour packages! please don't defend BAA, its 100% happening!

100hrs 27000 euro
200hrs 41000 euro thats with pegasus

70000 USD for 500hrs in Cambodia!

this info is been sent to me by BAA end of June!
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Old 17th Sep 2017, 16:43
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Do theses amounts include the type rating training?
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Old 17th Sep 2017, 16:52
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It wouldn't surprise me if not.

My point was and is not to defend BAA and as said i'd be the last one to do so, but they just recently opened a cadet programme via small planet that is not pay2fly, so i don't know where the second poster was going with that one. They have moved away from the pay2fly special organisation they were at one point, they have a few cadet programmes running now that are not pay2fly and in fact offer better value for money than some of the other ones popular on these forums.

Regarding the school and p2f it seems to not be shameful at all for them, their argument is where is the difference in paying ctc 130,000 to fly an a320 for wizz or easyjet to paying them 60,000 for their atpl and then 30,000 for "line training" ... in many cases their p2f ex graduates spent less than ctc graduates are spending today. I despise p2f and think it's the plague, but on paper it is true.

With regards pegasus, i specifically asked out of interest a few weeks ago and was told it wasn't on, i don't know more else.
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Old 17th Sep 2017, 18:28
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Do theses amounts include the type rating training?
no it doesn't! TR cost is on top of that!
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Old 17th Sep 2017, 19:57
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Is that only for US Nationals?
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Old 17th Sep 2017, 21:51
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Mmm parkfel are you interested in joining them ?

All the same airlines asking for people to pay them for employment , it is very very sad.
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Old 17th Sep 2017, 22:04
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This unacceptable style of gaining experience will only end when market forces plays it part, and the demand side of the equation dries up.

The employers will then have no option but to offer remuneration to newly qualified pilots requiring normal employment.

Nothing short of exploitation of desperate people trying to join the food chain.
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Old 18th Sep 2017, 08:56
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Originally Posted by Officer Kite View Post

Regarding the school and p2f it seems to not be shameful at all for them, their argument is where is the difference in paying ctc 130,000 to fly an a320 for wizz or easyjet to paying them 60,000 for their atpl and then 30,000 for "line training" ... in many cases their p2f ex graduates spent less than ctc graduates are spending today. I despise p2f and think it's the plague, but on paper it is true.
This is a very good point. I know the p2f argument has been done to death here and like everyone else I despise the system.

However, i struggle to see how people seem to think it's ok to pay certain schools 130k for a license whereas 60k + 30k for line training is somehow destroying the industry.
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Old 18th Sep 2017, 12:40
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Basil , you are a good example of why things are the way they are.

No it's not the same.

When you pay an employer to give you work this is unethical , immoral and some would argue barely legal. Flying around passengers in a commercial aircraft for which you have paid for the privilege to sit in that seat through a sketchy deal is beyond the scope of flying under supervision.

Moreover, ab initio training can be done at any flight school. If a cadet program or structured partnership with an airline is there from the beginning than so be it. The two are not equivalent.

Baa seems all about marketing an image when in turn they are just intersted in money coming in their way
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Old 18th Sep 2017, 13:37
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Aha yes ... because Oxford, CTC, FTE, Alpha, Gair, Egnatia, Atlantic ... everyother school on the planet exist because they love aviation so much and they just wanna teach people how to fly from the goodness of their own heart

You don't think easyJet, Ryanair or any other airlines are making a profit off the type rating costs? You don't think that those vastly inflated type rating costs do not cover the cost of line training for the student? No ... from the goodness of their hearts

I'll say it again, I would be last to defend BAA, but the logic here is stupid to be frank.
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Old 18th Sep 2017, 14:07
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Yeah right because L3 are just in it for the love of aviation.

In my humble opinion it's neither ethical to p2f or to charge kids 130k for a job. Both exist in this industry unfortunately, thankfully though p2f seems to be on its way out. It remains to be seen whether or not the big schools get round to doing something about the ridiculous cost of their courses - I won't be holding my breath for this though.

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Old 18th Sep 2017, 14:38
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Niether should happen , I'm not defending them either. Each school is just as bad as the other , I'm sure there are plenty more organizations to expose that promote pay to play. If you know more please do share I'll keep it in mind when I interview candidates
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In your opinion, how much should they charge then?
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Old 18th Sep 2017, 19:41
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Flight Training will never be cheap and it never was, and most of us can live with that, but charging ver 100k for it, it just out this world. I wonder what is the profit margin for CTC/L3. For example bertolini air in poland will do full integrated course for around 45-50k euros. So its definitely some schools just over charge cause they can!
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Old 18th Sep 2017, 21:53
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Qatar and L3 are charging $155,000 beat that
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Old 18th Sep 2017, 22:11
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Don't forget that the big schools in England have huge expenses on wages, rent, fuel, marketing etc. All schools do this obviously but anywhere in eastern Europe has a massive disparity in these and hence their price is considerably lower. In terms of % profit margin I don't suppose there is a great deal of difference between say, L3 and BAA.
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