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Regardless whether or not the AoA sells our souls, at the end of the day they cannot change your CoS without your consent. If they choose to fire people for not signing so be it, if enough don't sign they going to find themselves in a bind.
You can run STW or you can make stand. One thing is for sure there is life after Cathay.
In fact KA pilots are on better contracts than CX pilots and are far less efficient in terms of block hours flown. This chart says nothing more than HK based CX pilots have the biggest targets on their back purely by the fact that we are the largest demographic.
It's far more complex than that and every command at KA is C scale as is every new joining F/O. Some one can correct me too, but is the cadet scheme been driven towards a tokenism with direct entry expatriates offering bigger savings?
Our management lobbyists within the DPA brought industrial peace for the outgoing KA GMO. The peace was already there anyways I sensed. However, typically, though anecdotally, the outgoing GMO's message to the KA pilot group was that Contract Compliance was inevitable- by next year !
CX pilots have been around long enough to see more clarity in the current environment and not fall for the divisive plays I would have hoped? What might help though is, I haven't met a KA pilot who has any desire to be part of your group. You have a miserable, ugly and toxic aviation environment loaded with bullies. I doubt if KA pilots can avoid the inevitable but being drawn closer and closer to CX city is not the least bit desirable, which probably surprises your legacy mindsets?
Putting both pilot groups in contract compliance will be a disaster from every angle. Health and sanity of KA pilots will be a sadly interesting undertone - KA pilot sick leave is the same as CX's at the moment and that's with industrial peace ! Management is so detached from our operation they probably don't realise its genuine and only going to get worse with chronic operational delays and hotel standards.
Last edited by Gnadenburg; 6th Sep 2017 at 02:20.
I think you guys misread the email.
The DFO was complaining that Airbus and Boeing were producing too many aircraft and that the Swire Directors bonus has only risen 681% in recent times.
TAT-Times Are Tough
The DFO was complaining that Airbus and Boeing were producing too many aircraft and that the Swire Directors bonus has only risen 681% in recent times.
TAT-Times Are Tough
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Ah yes....individual letters in mailboxes. Rolling back the years to 1994 when GMT's father did exactly the same thing. The playbook never changes so the next step is obvious.
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Gnad,
That KA is on a superior contract is 100% true. Expats and cadets both out-earn their like contract colleagues at CX. It's not a point for division between the two groups. It's just a fact. Highlighting that fact merely serves to counter efforts by management to make it appear that CX pilots are the problem. We are not. Neither are KA's pilots. The problem is billions of dollars of upside down fuel and currency hedges. The other problem is extremely poor management. The old adage that they "step over dollars to pick up pennies" could not be more true than it is at CX.
That KA is on a superior contract is 100% true. Expats and cadets both out-earn their like contract colleagues at CX. It's not a point for division between the two groups. It's just a fact. Highlighting that fact merely serves to counter efforts by management to make it appear that CX pilots are the problem. We are not. Neither are KA's pilots. The problem is billions of dollars of upside down fuel and currency hedges. The other problem is extremely poor management. The old adage that they "step over dollars to pick up pennies" could not be more true than it is at CX.
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Stolen from the Friday Jokes thread on Jet Blast. Imagine the Woman as our DFO....
A woman in a hot air balloon realized she was lost. She reduced altitude and spotted a man below. She descended a bit more and shouted: "'Excuse me, can you help me? I promised a friend I would meet him an hour ago but I don't know where I am". The man below replied "You're in a hot air balloon hovering approximately 30 feet above the ground. You're between 40 and 41 degrees north latitude and between 59 and 60 degrees west longitude".
"You must be a technician." said the balloonist. "I am" replied the man "how did you know?" "Well," answered the balloonist, "everything you have told me is probably technically correct, but I've no idea what to make of your information and the fact is, I'm still lost. Frankly, you've not been much help at all. If anything, you've delayed my trip with your talk."
The man below responded, "You must be in management". "I am" replied the balloonist, "but how did you know?" "Well," said the man "you don't know where you are or where you're going. You have risen to where you are, due to a large quantity of hot air. You made a promise, which you've no idea how to keep, and you expect people beneath you to solve your problems. The fact is you are in exactly the same position you were in before we met, but now, somehow, it's my ******* fault!
"You must be a technician." said the balloonist. "I am" replied the man "how did you know?" "Well," answered the balloonist, "everything you have told me is probably technically correct, but I've no idea what to make of your information and the fact is, I'm still lost. Frankly, you've not been much help at all. If anything, you've delayed my trip with your talk."
The man below responded, "You must be in management". "I am" replied the balloonist, "but how did you know?" "Well," said the man "you don't know where you are or where you're going. You have risen to where you are, due to a large quantity of hot air. You made a promise, which you've no idea how to keep, and you expect people beneath you to solve your problems. The fact is you are in exactly the same position you were in before we met, but now, somehow, it's my ******* fault!
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It's all about market timing
http://www.bbc.com/news/business-40756834
BBC report yesterday stating that analysis of HMRC (tax return) figures showed UK pilots enjoyed a 26% increase in pay between 2011 and 2016. Obviously that was in the UK and us humble beings in HK received nothing like that.
Success in business is all about market timing, when oil prices are falling, you hedge heavily against higher oil prices. When the market for pilots is tight and salaries are rising globally, slash your pilot's salaries and benefits.
Airlines don't need fuel and pilots, they need graphs and cheesy slogans. Time to win!!
BBC report yesterday stating that analysis of HMRC (tax return) figures showed UK pilots enjoyed a 26% increase in pay between 2011 and 2016. Obviously that was in the UK and us humble beings in HK received nothing like that.
Success in business is all about market timing, when oil prices are falling, you hedge heavily against higher oil prices. When the market for pilots is tight and salaries are rising globally, slash your pilot's salaries and benefits.
Airlines don't need fuel and pilots, they need graphs and cheesy slogans. Time to win!!
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The manager was making the entire trip (including being totally lost) using someone elses' money.
Then again, perhaps that goes without saying these days........
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ANNA,
my decades old COS is a signed contract that in 90's dollars is worth half of what I earn today. Every other major carrier is increasing pay. You want to pay me less of my 1990's dollars.
INFLATION is real. The flat I was renting in 04' now rents for 3 times that amount. Has my housing gone up 3X? No.. it hasn't really moved other than to some HKG peg which in no way represents the real cost.
SCHOOLING has gone up.. What I get covers less each year.
_
Shall i make a large pie chart that shows the cost of the crew vs the fines that were levied against us?
You want to lower housing? Open up bases. Problem solved.
Lower pay?
Start with the board.. ZERO pay. If they don't like, I'm sure we can fine some more competent directors happy to take over on zero money as they made their money elsewhere.
Directors like you.. 1/2 your packages. Money where your mouth is. Do it.
my decades old COS is a signed contract that in 90's dollars is worth half of what I earn today. Every other major carrier is increasing pay. You want to pay me less of my 1990's dollars.
INFLATION is real. The flat I was renting in 04' now rents for 3 times that amount. Has my housing gone up 3X? No.. it hasn't really moved other than to some HKG peg which in no way represents the real cost.
SCHOOLING has gone up.. What I get covers less each year.
_
Shall i make a large pie chart that shows the cost of the crew vs the fines that were levied against us?
You want to lower housing? Open up bases. Problem solved.
Lower pay?
Start with the board.. ZERO pay. If they don't like, I'm sure we can fine some more competent directors happy to take over on zero money as they made their money elsewhere.
Directors like you.. 1/2 your packages. Money where your mouth is. Do it.
Last edited by FreemaninHK; 6th Sep 2017 at 11:57. Reason: more ranting.
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ANNA,
my decades old COS is a signed contract that in 90's dollars is worth half of what I earn today. Every other major carrier is increasing pay. You want to pay me less of my 1990's dollars.
INFLATION is real. The flat I was renting in 04' now rents for 3 times that amount. Has my housing gone up 3X? No.. it hasn't really moved other than to some HKG peg which in no way represents the real cost.
SCHOOLING has gone up.. What I get covers less each year.
_
Shall i make a large pie chart that shows the cost of the crew vs the fines that were levied against us?
You want to lower housing? Open up bases. Problem solved.
Lower pay?
Start with the board.. ZERO pay. If they don't like, I'm sure we can fine some more competent directors happy to take over on zero money as they made their money elsewhere.
Directors like you.. 1/2 your packages. Money where your mouth is. Do it.
my decades old COS is a signed contract that in 90's dollars is worth half of what I earn today. Every other major carrier is increasing pay. You want to pay me less of my 1990's dollars.
INFLATION is real. The flat I was renting in 04' now rents for 3 times that amount. Has my housing gone up 3X? No.. it hasn't really moved other than to some HKG peg which in no way represents the real cost.
SCHOOLING has gone up.. What I get covers less each year.
_
Shall i make a large pie chart that shows the cost of the crew vs the fines that were levied against us?
You want to lower housing? Open up bases. Problem solved.
Lower pay?
Start with the board.. ZERO pay. If they don't like, I'm sure we can fine some more competent directors happy to take over on zero money as they made their money elsewhere.
Directors like you.. 1/2 your packages. Money where your mouth is. Do it.
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Bases? No, you see, it's a 'control' thing old chap. They've realised they've lost their beloved control of the bases with the emergence of first world onshoring.
Scares the
out of them.
Scares the
out of them.