EASA ATPL Class Rating Question

[Twottermann]

Hello, my first post here as I was directed to ask my complicated question here. I hold several licences, first one is a Canadian ATPL with a seaplane endorsement and a DHC-6 PPC. I also have a Maldivian ATPL validation with a current DHC-6 Seaplane rating. I have recently completed the EASA ATPL exams and received my Austro Control issued EASA ATPL with ATR-42/72 rating. What I want to know is how do I transfer my Multi Engine Turbine Seaplane (DHC-6) Rating from my Canadian ATPL and Maldivian ATPL Validation to my fresh EASA ATPL. The Spanish flight school I did the exams at has told me to contact Austro Control, but I don't speak German and they don't seem to helpful. I might have to travel to Austria to show my logbooks and Licences (endorsements etc) to them to try to convince them to enter my DHC-6 Multi Engine Turbine Seaplane rating, but I would like to hear from any experts out there or people who have done this sort of thing before - before I spend money to go see the Austro Control in Vienna!
Can anybody offer any constructive help or advice?
Thanks for taking the time to read my thread!
Twottermann

[nick14]

I think EASA May class that as a single pilot high performance complex aeroplane requiring a type rating (could be wrong).

Essentially I believe you need to comply with the experience requirements in part-FCL, be in current flying practice, pass the EASA skill test and have no less than 500hrs on the type.

Bose might be along to correct me.

[Curtis E Carr]

To amplify what nick14 has said

From Annex III to Commission Regulation (EU) No 1178/2011:

C. ACCEPTANCE OF CLASS AND TYPE RATINGS

1. A valid class or type rating contained in a licence issued by a third country may be inserted in a Part-FCL licence provided that the applicant:

(a) complies with the experience requirements and the prerequisites for the issue of the applicable type or class rating in accordance with Part-FCL;

(b) passes the relevant skill test for the issue of the applicable type or class rating in accordance with Part-FCL;

(c) is in current flying practice;

(d) has no less than:

(i) for aeroplane class ratings, 100 hours of flight experience as a pilot in that class;

(ii) for aeroplane type ratings, 500 hours of flight experience as a pilot in that type;

(iii) for single-engine helicopters with a maximum certificated take-off mass of up to 3 175 kg, 100 hours of flight experience as a pilot in that type;

(iv) for all other helicopters, 350 hours of flight experience as a pilot in that class.

[Curtis E Carr]

I think EASA May class that as a single pilot high performance complex aeroplane requiring a type rating (could be wrong).

See the bottom of Page 8 to this

[nick14]

Ok I stand corrected,

100 hrs experience.

[Curtis E Carr]

On the contrary, I think you're correct as EASA seem to require a type rating rather than a class rating for the DHC 6.

[Twottermann]

Very good feedback and help! Thank you!

Thank you people, very much appreciated!
Just a quick update: Austro Control (who has issued us through the Spanish flight school our EASA licenses) has now informed me that they can do the following:
1. Enter the DHC-6 (land) aeroplane as a seperate type rating but restricted to the national registration of the land of origin of the recent experience and last check ride, which in this case is either Maldives and Canada.


2. They can only enter the DHC typerating on my EASA licence for EU (EASA) registered aircraft if I can present paperwork from a JAR FCL Examiner as having completed a EASA Check ride on the DHC-6 (land) aeroplane.


3. The can not enter a class rating of Multi Engine Turbine Seaplane as EASA only lists the following class ratings for Seaplanes:
-Single Engine Piston (SEP Seaplane)
-Single Engine Turbine (SET Seaplane)
-Multi Engine Piston (MEP Seaplane)


WTF gives with the exclusion of Multi Engine Turbine Seaplanes?? There are Twin Otters on Wipline floats flying in the EU (Croatia and soon to be Greece) and the twin engine Dornier Seastar aircraft... How on Earth doe EASA propose to license pilots in the EASA (EU) regulations as both aircraft types are turbine powered??
If anybody in the know could help shed some light on this, it would be most welcome!
As well, I was under the impression that if you present a valid foreign ATPL that has a DHC-6 Type Rating that is current and valid that EASA would enter this new type directly into the EASA license? I had another typerating that I oiginally completed on my EASA ATPL (ATR 42/72) and the Canadian licensing authorities directly transfered the rating to my Canadian ATPL... so, why does Austro Control tell me that I need another check ride on the DHC-6 with a JAR FCL Examiner??
Help!! this is starting to get confusing!!
I should have just went and flew the Caravan in Australia rather than try to get something entered on to my EASA License!!
Any help appreciated!
Thanks!!!

[nick14]

That's because here in Europe it's classed under a type rating due to the complexity. So you are not excluded from holding it at all it's just called something different.

We have European rules and they state that third country licences and ratings can be transferred after certain criteria are met. For safety oversight I would want to stop any person going off and buying a licence + rating and then just handing them a European licence wouldn't you?

[zondaracer]

WTF gives with the exclusion of Multi Engine Turbine Seaplanes?? There are Twin Otters on Wipline floats flying in the EU (Croatia and soon to be Greece) and the twin engine Dornier Seastar aircraft... How on Earth doe EASA propose to license pilots in the EASA (EU) regulations as both aircraft types are turbine powered??

Separate type ratings. In EASA land, there is no Multi turbine class rating. All multi engine turbines in Europe have their own type rating. Typical Eurocracy.

[S-Works]

As has been said you will need a type rating for it. If you can demonstrate the hours on type you will be granted it without training but must do an LPC

Then you do an LPC every year to keep it.

Oddly I have just submitted approval for a Twotter Type Rating Course and thus will be offering Type Rating and LST/LPC in due course.

[Twottermann]

Thank you

Thanks to you all for the help!