Virgin pilots
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So 5 million So called Australians got a government pay welfare increase today , us Pilots who have taken a 35% pay cut since the last EBA pay for this.
The main component of an Airline is the aircraft, the Captain is the GM of that yet all the managers at VA have never never come near it .Like the union they are totally useless.
No wonder we are where we are today.
21.4 million for Mr J . That again should set the base for VA pilots. Do u get that 🤪
ps , many out there don’t know that JB got an Order of Australia for Services to Aviation.
We VA pilots are now so so behind many other Pilots and more so those out there in the general work community. Who is responsible, our Useless Union the AFAP.
The base pay MR A for a VA Captain needs to be $ 310k for 60:hrs FLT time per roster and 15 days off
And A it’s really not breathtaking Mate in todays work environment.
Working 90 hrs per roster to earn a decent salary is totally ******.
The main component of an Airline is the aircraft, the Captain is the GM of that yet all the managers at VA have never never come near it .Like the union they are totally useless.
No wonder we are where we are today.
21.4 million for Mr J . That again should set the base for VA pilots. Do u get that 🤪
ps , many out there don’t know that JB got an Order of Australia for Services to Aviation.
We VA pilots are now so so behind many other Pilots and more so those out there in the general work community. Who is responsible, our Useless Union the AFAP.
The base pay MR A for a VA Captain needs to be $ 310k for 60:hrs FLT time per roster and 15 days off
And A it’s really not breathtaking Mate in todays work environment.
Working 90 hrs per roster to earn a decent salary is totally ******.
Last edited by farrari; 20th Sep 2023 at 14:40.
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QF is said to take 60 FOs later this year , not sure if that’s accurate.
They are talking about 3 % increase only and may be changing the MCG and or days off.
They are talking about 3 % increase only and may be changing the MCG and or days off.
The AFAP is a democratic union run by members. If you don't like their direction get involved. You seem stirred up and ready for a fight, put your hand up (and your money where your mouth is) and get to work. To win this fight we will need all members working together, not sowing division anonymously on PPRuNe.
As Teddy Roosevolt said,
If I were a factory employee, a labourer on the railroad, or a wage earner of any sort, I would undoubtedly join the union of my trade.
If I were opposed to the policy of the union, I would join for no other reason than to help rectify that mistake.
If I took exception to a dishonest leader, I would join the union to help remove him.
In short, I believe in the union, and I believe that all men who benefit by the union, are morally bound to help to the extent of their power in the common interest advanced by the union.
But given elections were run this year so you could have put your hand up and the Virgin AFAP council has a forum available for you to post there and you do not, I would suggest that is worthy context for outsiders to consider when reading these posts.
As Teddy Roosevolt said,
If I were a factory employee, a labourer on the railroad, or a wage earner of any sort, I would undoubtedly join the union of my trade.
If I were opposed to the policy of the union, I would join for no other reason than to help rectify that mistake.
If I took exception to a dishonest leader, I would join the union to help remove him.
In short, I believe in the union, and I believe that all men who benefit by the union, are morally bound to help to the extent of their power in the common interest advanced by the union.
But given elections were run this year so you could have put your hand up and the Virgin AFAP council has a forum available for you to post there and you do not, I would suggest that is worthy context for outsiders to consider when reading these posts.
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Robcl,
mate been there did it on the 777.
What is needed is the AFAP to engage a real professional person or persons to represent the Pilots.
Those at the AFAP cannot do this, as has been the case since the the 1970s.
Bain is all over the union , and is continuing to do so into this new EBA.
Pilots don’t need me or other Pilots they need industry Professionals to represent them.
mate been there did it on the 777.
What is needed is the AFAP to engage a real professional person or persons to represent the Pilots.
Those at the AFAP cannot do this, as has been the case since the the 1970s.
Bain is all over the union , and is continuing to do so into this new EBA.
Pilots don’t need me or other Pilots they need industry Professionals to represent them.
Robcl,
mate been there did it on the 777.
What is needed is the AFAP to engage a real professional person or persons to represent the Pilots.
Those at the AFAP cannot do this, as has been the case since the the 1970s.
Bain is all over the union , and is continuing to do so into this new EBA.
Pilots don’t need me or other Pilots they need industry Professionals to represent them.
mate been there did it on the 777.
What is needed is the AFAP to engage a real professional person or persons to represent the Pilots.
Those at the AFAP cannot do this, as has been the case since the the 1970s.
Bain is all over the union , and is continuing to do so into this new EBA.
Pilots don’t need me or other Pilots they need industry Professionals to represent them.
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Robci,
Someone outside of VA would be advertising them at a professional level , who that is I don’t know.
Like is said above, Pilots need ‘VOICE to EBA ‘ and it’s not me ,it’s not pilots or the current Union people it’s a Professional industry negotiating Company, that’s why u pay the union.
Someone outside of VA would be advertising them at a professional level , who that is I don’t know.
Like is said above, Pilots need ‘VOICE to EBA ‘ and it’s not me ,it’s not pilots or the current Union people it’s a Professional industry negotiating Company, that’s why u pay the union.
Last edited by farrari; 21st Sep 2023 at 06:55.
Given that you’re not a member of a union, if the time comes down the track to take PIA, you won’t be lawfully allowed to, whilst calling for everyone else to do the heavy lifting…there’s a word for people like that.
And for everyone else playing along at home, the following is rather fitting:
Last edited by hawk_eye; 22nd Sep 2023 at 00:01.
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HE, that caricature was posted to me by a certain VA Pilot back in Feb 21, saying I should use this forum to talk. I still have his lovely post to me and further em. I see him now and again at work.
So I am following his advise.
And I understand the symbolism. It’s OK.
I apologise to any rep I have offended.
The best way forward however is professional industry people with connections, credentials and experience to take on B.
I will say no more and let’s see if we get any where near what Pay and Conditions VA pilots consider good and more over in line with what they were back many years ago when they were, excellent.
Oh I do belong to a Union .Have done for over 40 yrs Mate.
ps , Some one needs to get the new Western Sydney airport covered, otherwise , Hell.
So I am following his advise.
And I understand the symbolism. It’s OK.
I apologise to any rep I have offended.
The best way forward however is professional industry people with connections, credentials and experience to take on B.
I will say no more and let’s see if we get any where near what Pay and Conditions VA pilots consider good and more over in line with what they were back many years ago when they were, excellent.
Oh I do belong to a Union .Have done for over 40 yrs Mate.
ps , Some one needs to get the new Western Sydney airport covered, otherwise , Hell.
Last edited by farrari; 22nd Sep 2023 at 04:54.
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Well , A and my Newington mate took away the general VA email access that allowed some real discussion about the 24EA. Well done D , u are a ******* disgrace to our school.
Now it’s zip., nothing dead gone , like the CC done and dusted without any real import from employees.
Where is the open discussion, where is the anything from VA re it.
Meanwhile hard working pilots HOPE for something, christ almighty better hope he comes.
Oh and homer/I boy I haven’t forgotten u mate.
And while VA made a profit last FY , which is good, they paid NO TAX.
Again without Professional EBA Negotiators this 24 EA will fail pilot expections. Meanwhile the cost living is up and up , we are left behind and other professions have done well..
VA captains need to be on $350,000 for around 60 hrs. That’s real life stuff in the real life business economy.
Now it’s zip., nothing dead gone , like the CC done and dusted without any real import from employees.
Where is the open discussion, where is the anything from VA re it.
Meanwhile hard working pilots HOPE for something, christ almighty better hope he comes.
Oh and homer/I boy I haven’t forgotten u mate.
And while VA made a profit last FY , which is good, they paid NO TAX.
Again without Professional EBA Negotiators this 24 EA will fail pilot expections. Meanwhile the cost living is up and up , we are left behind and other professions have done well..
VA captains need to be on $350,000 for around 60 hrs. That’s real life stuff in the real life business economy.
Last edited by farrari; 24th Jan 2024 at 14:47.
Same issue for at least 40 years. Management know you're going to roll over, everyone is on board until it's time for industrial action, then the pilot group divides and screws over the ones trying. You are you're own worst enemy, that will never change, so glad to be retired.
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Well , A and my Newington mate took away the general VA email access that allowed some real discussion about the 24EA. Well done D , u are a ******* disgrace to our school.
Now it’s zip., nothing dead gone , like the CC done and dusted without any real import from employees.
Where is the open discussion, where is the anything from VA re it.
Meanwhile hard working pilots HOPE for something, christ almighty better hope he comes.
Oh and homer/I boy I haven’t forgotten u mate.
And while VA made a profit last FY , which is good, they paid NO TAX.
Again without Professional EBA Negotiators this 24 EA will fail pilot expections. Meanwhile the cost living is up and up , we are left behind and other professions have done well..
VA captains need to be on $350,000 for around 60 hrs. That’s real life stuff in the real life business economy.
Now it’s zip., nothing dead gone , like the CC done and dusted without any real import from employees.
Where is the open discussion, where is the anything from VA re it.
Meanwhile hard working pilots HOPE for something, christ almighty better hope he comes.
Oh and homer/I boy I haven’t forgotten u mate.
And while VA made a profit last FY , which is good, they paid NO TAX.
Again without Professional EBA Negotiators this 24 EA will fail pilot expections. Meanwhile the cost living is up and up , we are left behind and other professions have done well..
VA captains need to be on $350,000 for around 60 hrs. That’s real life stuff in the real life business economy.
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The fact u ask me this if u are genuine, shows that yourself like many pilots are out of touch with what is being paid out there .
And that figure is totally reasonable if the Aviation unions in Australia had done their Job memberships pay for over the past 50 yrs.
Both the company and union is ‘ having a lend of us ‘.
Mate a domestic Jet Pilot Captain in Australia who is not earning that money for those hours is totally uncompetitive, period. Hell just ask your plumber or accountant or local Coffee shop.
And also importantly it’s about having a fair and reasonable time off to enjoy be part of and rest. Does that happen as a VA Pilot,! It does elsewhere.
And that figure is totally reasonable if the Aviation unions in Australia had done their Job memberships pay for over the past 50 yrs.
Both the company and union is ‘ having a lend of us ‘.
Mate a domestic Jet Pilot Captain in Australia who is not earning that money for those hours is totally uncompetitive, period. Hell just ask your plumber or accountant or local Coffee shop.
And also importantly it’s about having a fair and reasonable time off to enjoy be part of and rest. Does that happen as a VA Pilot,! It does elsewhere.
Last edited by farrari; 25th Jan 2024 at 09:57.
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Southwest Airlines new EA - A 5th year 737 FO will make $350K (Australian dollars). Company contribution to retirement account is 18% of gross earnings. Minimum days off is 16 days a month (15 in a 30 day month). Average days off per month is 17-18.
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