Bonza has its AOC
They are not a threat that’s why. They all turn up and fall over. Who can remember Lion Air Australia, they planned on teaming up with Sky Air World. Lasted about 5 minutes.
The day these players are a threat is the day Alan will start whinging about those foreign ownership rules. Otherwise they all just sit back and watch these investors come in and depart soon after.
The only carrier that could ever make it work here and become a threat to the others would be Air Asia Australia. The boss at that place said Tiger was on drugs when it started its operation here. He is the smartest in the room. The trick to success is to stay away.
The day these players are a threat is the day Alan will start whinging about those foreign ownership rules. Otherwise they all just sit back and watch these investors come in and depart soon after.
The only carrier that could ever make it work here and become a threat to the others would be Air Asia Australia. The boss at that place said Tiger was on drugs when it started its operation here. He is the smartest in the room. The trick to success is to stay away.
But we still support him.
Underestimate Bonza at your peril,
The Chairman is one of, if not, the smartest people I know. 777p have, from what I can gather from the press and interwebs, a global strategy covering all sorts of things not just LCC's - football clubs for instance.
They own their own aircraft (777p not Bonza) but Bonza are wholly owned by 777p so make of that what you may.
Will it succeed? honestly dont know. They deserve to - they have a good, intelligent and more importantly capable and coherent team. - and no I dont work for them but know people who do.
I honestly dont know what Bain are up to with VA, I spent 20 years there and morale is the lowest I have ever seen it. people are leaving to go to atlas, national, kallitta and others dont be surprised in american mainline opens up to e3's.
qantas - really no association with them - the A220 and 320/1 NEO projects look interesting and will provide significant opex savings but service is the key - best aeroplanes in the world crewed by people who dont provide the service means nought (I dont know if this is the case with qantas just a comment)
there are a few others that have recently gotten sked pax air transport part 121 aoc's - whether anything will amount of their one aeroplane remains to be seen.
All I am saying is that these are our colleagues - wish them the best and lets hope that their employer doesnt go tits up - as having lived through that in 2020 it sucks the big weinie.
For once I think we, as an industry, would do well supporting our colleagues, even from other businesses, rather than wishing them ill. It does us no credit to wish unemployment and family crises on our colleagues
The Chairman is one of, if not, the smartest people I know. 777p have, from what I can gather from the press and interwebs, a global strategy covering all sorts of things not just LCC's - football clubs for instance.
They own their own aircraft (777p not Bonza) but Bonza are wholly owned by 777p so make of that what you may.
Will it succeed? honestly dont know. They deserve to - they have a good, intelligent and more importantly capable and coherent team. - and no I dont work for them but know people who do.
I honestly dont know what Bain are up to with VA, I spent 20 years there and morale is the lowest I have ever seen it. people are leaving to go to atlas, national, kallitta and others dont be surprised in american mainline opens up to e3's.
qantas - really no association with them - the A220 and 320/1 NEO projects look interesting and will provide significant opex savings but service is the key - best aeroplanes in the world crewed by people who dont provide the service means nought (I dont know if this is the case with qantas just a comment)
there are a few others that have recently gotten sked pax air transport part 121 aoc's - whether anything will amount of their one aeroplane remains to be seen.
All I am saying is that these are our colleagues - wish them the best and lets hope that their employer doesnt go tits up - as having lived through that in 2020 it sucks the big weinie.
For once I think we, as an industry, would do well supporting our colleagues, even from other businesses, rather than wishing them ill. It does us no credit to wish unemployment and family crises on our colleagues
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You can't blame people for being skeptical, harsh criticism is expected. Those who sign up to new start ups with questionable business plans, need to bear some responsibility also if it gets messy.
Whilst I think many would want to support the good people, many are clearly skeptics looking back at the last 20 years. A whole heap of players have come and gone, how many are still here today? A 737 from Newcastle to Wellcamp hardly fills everyone with confidence.
Whilst I think many would want to support the good people, many are clearly skeptics looking back at the last 20 years. A whole heap of players have come and gone, how many are still here today? A 737 from Newcastle to Wellcamp hardly fills everyone with confidence.
I am surprised Bonza flights are not on sale and there has been no announcement about the date of the first flight. "You do not get a second opportunity to make a first impression"
CAsA held ALL cards till just now.
So only 1 week and you expect flights to depart?
Only fly when when you can supply a service you are happy with.
ALL 3 in OZ just now have shzt service - win on supply on the expected service, not the current crap of the airline (yes you) supplying high cost crap to the customers.
Many of you are part of the problem
Part of the shzt service is the result of shzt airports. How will Bonza get around that? (Genuine question: I have no insight into how shztty the airports Bonza will be using are.)
F!&k me, everyone thinks Bonza is the savior to Aviation in Australia, these guys will be no better at anything then already established operators. Wake up it’s a ULCC they will be just moving bogans or bogan from point A to B losing bags and canceling flights.
I actually feel sorry for the pilots that feel they have to work at this mob I bet it’s not their first choice, they’re on less money than the Rex jet op I bet.
I actually feel sorry for the pilots that feel they have to work at this mob I bet it’s not their first choice, they’re on less money than the Rex jet op I bet.
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F!&k me, everyone thinks Bonza is the savior to Aviation in Australia, these guys will be no better at anything then already established operators. Wake up it’s a ULCC they will be just moving bogans or bogan from point A to B losing bags and canceling flights.
I actually feel sorry for the pilots that feel they have to work at this mob I bet it’s not their first choice, they’re on less money than the Rex jet op I bet.
I actually feel sorry for the pilots that feel they have to work at this mob I bet it’s not their first choice, they’re on less money than the Rex jet op I bet.
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Tourism Data has that market around 20k passenger movements per year, that is taking into account only the Sunshine Coast + Whitsunday catchment. I don't think it's overly necessary to include any Brisbane catchment, they have a low cost daily option + 2 non-lcc options on the route which will suck up that catchment. But, if you combine both BNE and MCY catchments, Bonza will only hold a 14% market share. Parking your car a the airport for a week, will cost you $70 per week more if you park at the Sunshine Coast, further pushing away any Brisbane catchment opportunities.
Bonza will need to heavily stimulate the market for that route to become viable, they are offering 29016 seats per year. Forecasting a ULCC CASK 9c, EBIT margin 10%, they would need to charge $295 per seat to make budget, going off current traffic that does not drive, take into account these intrastate routes are very 4WD/SUV trips. Assuming they can stimulate the market, 90% LF, 9% Margin, $110 Fare is required. Stimulating will also require burning margin, so will be a challenge charging such fares.
This route will certainly pose a challenge for Bonza with such a dense aircraft. Stimulating any market like this required lower fares and likely negative EBIT.
The same challenges appear on a few other routes, Toowoomba-Whitsunday Coast very similar in the data without boring everyone. However, the most concerning and challenging is the some intrastate Rockhampton proposed routes. Most require very very significant market stimulation, the traffic does not overly exist at the moment, that is the past data only, unknown how Bonza will stimulate these regions. The question is, how long does Bonza wait burning margin trying to stimulate a market.
Bonza will need to heavily stimulate the market for that route to become viable, they are offering 29016 seats per year. Forecasting a ULCC CASK 9c, EBIT margin 10%, they would need to charge $295 per seat to make budget, going off current traffic that does not drive, take into account these intrastate routes are very 4WD/SUV trips. Assuming they can stimulate the market, 90% LF, 9% Margin, $110 Fare is required. Stimulating will also require burning margin, so will be a challenge charging such fares.
This route will certainly pose a challenge for Bonza with such a dense aircraft. Stimulating any market like this required lower fares and likely negative EBIT.
The same challenges appear on a few other routes, Toowoomba-Whitsunday Coast very similar in the data without boring everyone. However, the most concerning and challenging is the some intrastate Rockhampton proposed routes. Most require very very significant market stimulation, the traffic does not overly exist at the moment, that is the past data only, unknown how Bonza will stimulate these regions. The question is, how long does Bonza wait burning margin trying to stimulate a market.
Last edited by Mr_App; 15th Jan 2023 at 23:13.
Wouldn’t be surprised if Bonza’s plans change fairly quickly.
Many said tell him he’s dreamin love, but now have a Captain Cook at the AOC.
Ya can’t deny their aircraft are the ducks nutz!
Before ya know it youse blokes and Sheila’s gunna be flying to Sidney.
Shazza and Bazza gunna be busy, when will Brucey, Kazza, Billy and Rhonda join the fleet?
Many said tell him he’s dreamin love, but now have a Captain Cook at the AOC.
Ya can’t deny their aircraft are the ducks nutz!
Before ya know it youse blokes and Sheila’s gunna be flying to Sidney.
Shazza and Bazza gunna be busy, when will Brucey, Kazza, Billy and Rhonda join the fleet?
Forget your $110 fare
I read somewhere $59
You can travel with Ryanair London to Athens for a bit over $40 (2400km) so is $59 lossmaking ?
Likely depends if they charge more as the plane fills
I read somewhere $59
You can travel with Ryanair London to Athens for a bit over $40 (2400km) so is $59 lossmaking ?
Likely depends if they charge more as the plane fills
Last edited by Deano969; 16th Jan 2023 at 01:09.
I think what was meant when they stated "$50 an hour" was base fare without baggage, card feed, food, legroom, change fees, no shows, oversize fees, and so on.
So your $50 "per hour" plus ancillary charges, the fare doubles once the flight is done.
One quarter of Jetstar's revenue is ancillary. Intra QLD however, greater % is carry on. If everyone checks in a bag = 5k revenue. If they don't, then your margin is squeezed.
But how many people fly for $40 with no ancillary charges? It's a few %. Ryanair's average fare is more than 2.5 that, thanks to ancillary.
So your $50 "per hour" plus ancillary charges, the fare doubles once the flight is done.
One quarter of Jetstar's revenue is ancillary. Intra QLD however, greater % is carry on. If everyone checks in a bag = 5k revenue. If they don't, then your margin is squeezed.
You can travel with Ryanair London to Athens for a bit over $40 (2400km) so is $59 lossmaking ?
Last edited by Mr_App; 16th Jan 2023 at 01:56.
So, you get a $59 fare from MCY-PPP, then you get there and spend $3k on a hired 4WD for a week....be cheaper to just drive in the first place, and you can take all your **** with you 
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F!&k me, everyone thinks Bonza is the savior to Aviation in Australia, these guys will be no better at anything then already established operators. Wake up it’s a ULCC they will be just moving bogans or bogan from point A to B losing bags and canceling flights.I actually feel sorry for the pilots that feel they have to work at this mob I bet it’s not their first choice, they’re on less money than the Rex jet op I bet.