Bonza has its AOC
If the aphorism didn't blind you Mick, that's all you had to do (above). And it kind of proved my point, in that you DON'T get what you pay for.
To me, full service means service recovery when there's a ****up, not **** food on a 2.5 hour flight. I've had one cancelled flight out of the last 10 I've taken. It would appear some of you lot are **** magnets.
To me, full service means service recovery when there's a ****up, not **** food on a 2.5 hour flight. I've had one cancelled flight out of the last 10 I've taken. It would appear some of you lot are **** magnets.
Rex offer one flight a day between Melbourne and the Gold Coast, JQ offer seven. Does that flexibility have any value? For some people it does, others maybe not.
Do you have flexibility regards the day you travel? If so, flying on the 5th, the day before gets you a $43 cheaper fare on JQ (sans bags, $49 v $92), same fare on Rex ($119).
Paying for checked bags - good thing or not? From memory there's no direct equivalent between the 23kg checked bag allowance included with the Rex fare and the 15kg, 20kg, 30kg and 40kg paid checked baggage allowances offered by JQ, so not exactly a direct comparison there, is it?
Same same regards paying for tucker and having a choice versus having something included in the base fare and getting what you're given.
Every one of those aspects will be valued by different people in different ways.
And which airline is reasonably likely to have better service recovery; the one with one flight a day, or the one with seven?
And bear in mind that here we're just comparing two out of the four options, so, it kind of proves my point actually.
The romance and excitement of flying has been well and truly eradicated from the travelling experience in Australia. I don't know whether I'm going to pay for luggage, buy a meal, get entertainment or be 'allowed' to sit in an exit row. (Depends on the bundle of rights I bought) If I do get a meal, it will come in a cardboard box which probably would taste as good if not better than the meal. Hasn't the airline world heard of coffee as opposed to lukewarm, dishwater? And that's all after the underwhelming experience of strolling through our terminals being gouged for all you have. Apart from actually getting from A to B there is little to nothing to enjoy about air travel in Australia. Even the lounges are 'low cost'. (i.e. maximum profit)
Coupled with our infrastructure problems (2nd airports decades late, 3rd or 4th runways delayed, the current airspace and OneSky palaver) I'd say Australia has made a pretty good mess of it. It's the cleanest third-world country in the World.
Coupled with our infrastructure problems (2nd airports decades late, 3rd or 4th runways delayed, the current airspace and OneSky palaver) I'd say Australia has made a pretty good mess of it. It's the cleanest third-world country in the World.
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Depends on the bundle of rights I bought
Trolleys were moved up the isle, som pax were given a meal but not us.
"Why"
"Sorry meals are only served to AirNZ paxs, not Virgin paxs"
Go figure.
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Icarus - looks like you are very easily pleased if you think what VA offers full service, pretty much the same with QF as well.
1) There is a definite taste of the wood, especially when using with hot meals
2) The knives simply won't cut
3) The forks are difficult to use as they won't stab the food easily
Never had this problem with plastic cutlery, which is a biproduct of the petroleum industry and you don't need to fell forests to make them
Why does one need a meal on a Sydney - Melbourne flight? Or a Melbourne - Brisbane flight? And why would you buy anything at an Australian airport? You'd have to be ****** in the head.
I believe it's a "Worx" fare. Like Jetstar's scabby ad-ons.
"Sorry meals are only served to AirNZ paxs, not Virgin paxs"
CASA has granted them approval to operate the two flair birds. First one gets underway on its first revenue flight later on today.
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So how does an Australian AOC holder have operational control over foreign registered aircraft with foreign crew?? Who is actually in charge here? How do CASA even regulate foreign crew in a domestic environment? Whose flight and duty regs are we using? Is the maintenance control system approved by CASA? This is a very interesting precedent being set here. CASA have opened the door to flag of convenience operations. Not to mention the myriad of other loopholes they have created. The tax and regulatory implications of such a move are extraordinary.
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I guess the people don’t have a problem with Qantas outsourcing ground crew jobs now. At least the ground crew are Aussie this mob are using a foreign crew. Crazy how the regulator/company and most of all the public think.
So how does an Australian AOC holder have operational control over foreign registered aircraft with foreign crew?? Who is actually in charge here? How do CASA even regulate foreign crew in a domestic environment? Whose flight and duty regs are we using? Is the maintenance control system approved by CASA? This is a very interesting precedent being set here. CASA have opened the door to flag of convenience operations. Not to mention the myriad of other loopholes they have created. The tax and regulatory implications of such a move are extraordinary.
British Airways has operated six Finnair cabin/Flight Deck crewed A320 on BA International routes out of Heathrow for some years, using BA callsigns.
Other nationalities have like qualifications to fly in OZ airspace quite safely you know, I even flew UK registered 747s with a UK licence when based in Sydney, and survived!!
SHVC - Qantas sacked people from jobs that still needed to be done. Bonza is using this aircraft as an interim measure only - its not replacing jobs, its supplementing what they have, and when they can cover it themselves they will. Very different to waht QF did/does
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Come on Neville, get into the 24th Century. Normal practice in other parts of the World when an airline has temporary aircraft or crew storage. Or seasonal imbalance. British Airways has operated six Finnair cabin/Flight Deck crewed A320 on BA International routes out of Heathrow for some years, using BA callsigns. Other nationalities have like qualifications to fly in OZ airspace quite safely you know, I even flew UK registered 747s with a UK licence when based in Sydney, and survived!!
The issue with the Bonza arrangement is the precedent being set and the competitive advantage gained by being regulated outside of your jurisdiction. This is then just amplified if you then are licensed in a weak or corrupt regulatory environment but earn your money in a high regulatory environment. You gain an enormous competitive advantage by doing so and if that pressure becomes overwhelming then ultimately the regulator either has to stand up and regulate or retreat all together. Uber vs the Taxis is a classic example of this taken to the extremes.
What is preventing someone getting and Australian AOC then overcharging themselves the cost of the aircraft on Wet Lease, running perpetual losses in Australia, getting tax rebates, whilst being licensed in a business friendly country with unlimited supply of labour and having all their employees coming from that country? Any Chinese, Singaporean, Middle Eastern, Indonesian carrier could very easily start a operation like that in Australia if this is the standard CASA is willing to accept. Crew just do tours from their home country, you cherry pick the triangle routes, and get feed from your inbound international flights.
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