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If CAA fails an ICAO audit and is downgraded to a category 3 or C (ICAO categorisation system?) it should have no impact on domestic operators. CAA's bungling is not of their making and ICAO can't interfere with a sovereign country's internal affairs.
But APNG and PX won't be able to run P2 registered aircraft on international routes. APNG could probably access a VH rego Dash 8 via Skytrans and of course the Virgin B737 is OK because it's not P2 anyway.
Just when they thought they were almost over it, PX could be wetleasing all over again.
But APNG and PX won't be able to run P2 registered aircraft on international routes. APNG could probably access a VH rego Dash 8 via Skytrans and of course the Virgin B737 is OK because it's not P2 anyway.
Just when they thought they were almost over it, PX could be wetleasing all over again.
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Thats about what I thought. so in essence, nothing will change other than a rego change for PX on the international routes. It kind of makes a mockery of the audit then.
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Mach E Avelli, has it exactly correct. Fail the audit and there will not be any P2 registered aircraft accepted by other ICAO states.
The spivs will overcome this small problem in their usual inimitable way.
The spivs will overcome this small problem in their usual inimitable way.
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No I am not deported yet ?
The fact of the matter is that there is no one else here t do the job ???
Just today bernie flanagen went finish to australia after a long distinguished and reputable career here inPNG.
I wish him, the king of the highlands, a long and well deserved retirement.
Sid O'Toole
The fact of the matter is that there is no one else here t do the job ???
Just today bernie flanagen went finish to australia after a long distinguished and reputable career here inPNG.
I wish him, the king of the highlands, a long and well deserved retirement.
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CAA Audit Update
Just wondering how the CAA audit is going/went and when the first preliminary findings would be published?
Any updates would be appreciated for some of us who are keenly watching the events unfold.
Thanks Sid for what you have done and continue to do to make aviation safer in PNG.
Any updates would be appreciated for some of us who are keenly watching the events unfold.
Thanks Sid for what you have done and continue to do to make aviation safer in PNG.
"...long distinguished and reputable career here in PNG."
Sid, I'll PM you for Bernies new contact details. I'm occasionally in his area and would love to look him up for a chat.
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Icao Audit 2009
I may well be 100% incorrect but I do not believe that we'll see too much of the report findings too soon. There are certain formalities to be completed first which will take time. No doubt we may receive information before the official report is presented to the regulator. We wait in anticipation
Those interested in the formalities could have a quick read of ICAO doc 9735.
Regards.
Those interested in the formalities could have a quick read of ICAO doc 9735.
Regards.
Sharpie......
We're all hoping that will be the case! So c'mon Sid, as Sharpie's suggesting, TELL US MORE (please)!
No doubt we may receive information before the official report is presented to the regulator.
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Ok fellas,
Dunno were Sid is, but the word from the horse's mouth is that the debrief was very mello so to speak, although there were comments made in regard to all areas of what was looked at. The preliminary findings/results will take about 3 to 6 months before they are released.
This info did come from Super Sid..
Dunno were Sid is, but the word from the horse's mouth is that the debrief was very mello so to speak, although there were comments made in regard to all areas of what was looked at. The preliminary findings/results will take about 3 to 6 months before they are released.
This info did come from Super Sid..
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Could be a long wait.
Extract from Icao Doc 9735. The Safety Oversight Audit Process
POST AUDIT ACTIVITIES – Up to 9 Months
State starts work on corrective action plan
SOA sends interim safety oversight audit report – within 90 days of audit
State submits corrective action plan
And comments – within 60 days of receiving interim oversight safety audit
SOA submits final safety oversight
Report to State – within 60 days of receiving corrective action plan.
State comments on final safety
Audit report (if any) – within 30 days of receiving final safety audit report.
Final Safety Audit Report published - Within 30 days of receiving States comments.
POST AUDIT ACTIVITIES – Up to 9 Months
State starts work on corrective action plan
SOA sends interim safety oversight audit report – within 90 days of audit
State submits corrective action plan
And comments – within 60 days of receiving interim oversight safety audit
SOA submits final safety oversight
Report to State – within 60 days of receiving corrective action plan.
State comments on final safety
Audit report (if any) – within 30 days of receiving final safety audit report.
Final Safety Audit Report published - Within 30 days of receiving States comments.
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Similar Audits in India
Interesting.
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DGCA gets 3 months to escape US rap 21 Mar 2009, 0505 hrs IST, Saurabh Sinha, TNN
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NEW DELHI: The US Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) on Friday concluded its five-day-long reassessment of the Directorate General of Civil Aviation (DGCA)’s safety regulations, necessitated by a shocking lack of staff strength here. Based on the action plan prepared by India to avoid being downgraded by FAA to the levels of sub-Saharan African nations, from its current number one ranking, the American team is tentatively scheduled to be back in June and see the actual implementation of the plan.
The FAA could downgrade India, if the promise to make Indian skies safer by having a strong regulatory mechanism, which will ultimately see DGCA evolve into an autonomous civil aviation authority, remains only on paper and is not implemented. To begin with, the FAA is learnt to have softened its stance after seeing that India had started taking corrective action for strengthening DGCA ever since it first issued the threat of reassessment in January.
‘‘Certainly, they were aghast at the shocking lack of staff strength and we have assured them that in the next two to three months impressive action would have been taken. In fields where we have staff shortage like operations, airports and air navigation supervision, outside help is being taken by taking inspectors on secondment from airlines. These people will be on board shortly and work under our supervision,’’ said sources.
Unless India is able to implement these promises, downgrading would mean Indian carriers will not be able to add more flights to US and there planes would be subject to tremendous checks there, something that could affect their schedules.
Sharpie.
DGCA gets 3 months to escape US rap 21 Mar 2009, 0505 hrs IST, Saurabh Sinha, TNN
Print Email Discuss Share Save Comment Text:
NEW DELHI: The US Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) on Friday concluded its five-day-long reassessment of the Directorate General of Civil Aviation (DGCA)’s safety regulations, necessitated by a shocking lack of staff strength here. Based on the action plan prepared by India to avoid being downgraded by FAA to the levels of sub-Saharan African nations, from its current number one ranking, the American team is tentatively scheduled to be back in June and see the actual implementation of the plan.
The FAA could downgrade India, if the promise to make Indian skies safer by having a strong regulatory mechanism, which will ultimately see DGCA evolve into an autonomous civil aviation authority, remains only on paper and is not implemented. To begin with, the FAA is learnt to have softened its stance after seeing that India had started taking corrective action for strengthening DGCA ever since it first issued the threat of reassessment in January.
‘‘Certainly, they were aghast at the shocking lack of staff strength and we have assured them that in the next two to three months impressive action would have been taken. In fields where we have staff shortage like operations, airports and air navigation supervision, outside help is being taken by taking inspectors on secondment from airlines. These people will be on board shortly and work under our supervision,’’ said sources.
Unless India is able to implement these promises, downgrading would mean Indian carriers will not be able to add more flights to US and there planes would be subject to tremendous checks there, something that could affect their schedules.
Just a follow up guys,
I believe the engines from the Airlink Bandit that crashed near Kandrian have been recovered and are now in the hands of Pratt and Whitney,thanks to the continued determination and hard work of Sid O'Toole. These engines should have been recovered ASAP after the accident and not 2 years later,it could only happen in PNG I guess.
Good on you Sid,you deserve more than the sh!t that you have to put up with !
Lukim.
I believe the engines from the Airlink Bandit that crashed near Kandrian have been recovered and are now in the hands of Pratt and Whitney,thanks to the continued determination and hard work of Sid O'Toole. These engines should have been recovered ASAP after the accident and not 2 years later,it could only happen in PNG I guess.
Good on you Sid,you deserve more than the sh!t that you have to put up with !
Lukim.
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probably carted there by the wontoks....... then abandoned when they realized it was going to be work to carry it much further. 
...and of course, here we are back at square one...again.
PNG aviation is a very high risk activity. At the same time, the country cannot possibly survive without aviation, as other transport links are simply, non-existent or not viable.
Regulation and training in PNG varies somewhat and seems to run independently of the eye and control of the regulator. It has run this way since since WW2. And yet, the requirements of flying in PNG demand the highest and very best trained aviators to execute the dangerous daily tasks which are faced each and every day.
This would be a very big ask of the most sophisticated and advanced aviation regulatory and training systems in the world.
...and yet, somehow PNG aviation has to just get on with the job.
PNG aviation is a very high risk activity. At the same time, the country cannot possibly survive without aviation, as other transport links are simply, non-existent or not viable.
Regulation and training in PNG varies somewhat and seems to run independently of the eye and control of the regulator. It has run this way since since WW2. And yet, the requirements of flying in PNG demand the highest and very best trained aviators to execute the dangerous daily tasks which are faced each and every day.
This would be a very big ask of the most sophisticated and advanced aviation regulatory and training systems in the world.
...and yet, somehow PNG aviation has to just get on with the job.