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[southside bobby]

Jet2 adding a further 16 rotations @ STN predominately for the half term period Oct & Nov
Tenerife + 9 extending into Nov.
Lanzarote +2
Alicante +2
Majorca +2
Faro +1
Extra 5000 seats in total.

[daz211]

Also seen early morning arrivals from PMI base so more rotations than just STN based aircraft

[southside bobby]

More superlatives....STN September `17 busiest September on record for 2.45m = + 275,000 extra pax for + 12.6% on the month.
Rolling 12 months pax figures up...ditto cargo.

[daz211]

I haven’t heard anything but surly satellite 4 must be on the cards soon also looking into the future I think the cargo terminal will have to be moved if more satellite buildings are to be built unless a second terminal is built if you look at birds eye view satellite 4 must be imminent and you can see Cargo is definitely in the way of further expansion regarding satellite 5/6

[Skipness One Echo]

Sat 4 should be coming, except.....no one is going to pay for it. Remember STN was built as London's new airport with all the bells and whistles of government backing. Ryanair will not cough up the cash, they don't even want to pay for the train to Sat 1 and 2 which is why there's a walkway to Sat 3. With easyJet and Jet2 being the other major customers, I suspect Sat 4 if it ever arrives will look nothing like the first three. It will be like a bigger version of the end of Sat 3.

[southside bobby]

daz211...Yes...if I am looking at the same aerial view as you & is the image(nonphotoshopped) MAG are using in some features recently then I count 51 a/c parked on the satellites inc a few on remotes beyond & that is with one side of SAT 1 not shown!.
The only qualification is that it is v obviously an early Summer morning before the first wave out.However the RYR are soon replaced AM with all the European based arrivals too.

[southside bobby]

Essentially the SAT`s are gate areas....the main facilities for pax are within the departure lounge..
MAG state they are adding more a/c stands commencing this Autumn...where & how they will be facilitated is the question I guess.

[STN406]

A friend of mine who works for MAG’s Terminal team said they are looking into the development of a Fourth Satellite currently.
A little bit of other information they told me was that Taxiway Hotel has been extended to Taxiway Echo and the stands on Echo facing south will be finished soon meaning their will be more parking stands available, which would be needed for next summer.
Also the old hangar 4 site is/has been made into stands. Apparently for day stopping Cargo planes. Hope this helps some of you.

[southside bobby]

STN406....Very useful...Thanks for the info.

[daz211]

Looking at the map it’s very clear to see an easy replication of the current terminal and satellites would be preferably placing a new terminal at FedEx current location you would have a mirror image of the current terminal and satellites all that would be needed is the re location on the Cargo area.

[Plane.Silly]

Interesting summation of Monarch's expected passenger loss at MAN on the Manchester thread. Despite the extra seats on sale from Jet2, Easyjet, TUI, Thomas Cook and others, we could see a brief period of negative growth for MAN. This may then mean that STN reclaims the #3 largest UK airport again. One to watch in the next few months/year maybe

[southside bobby]

Yes...STN will run them a bit closer in the short term..At present the gap is about 2m so it will probably be reduced a little.
STN has it`s own growth travail`s over Winter perhaps with RYR in the form of their announced reductions due crewing issues.
However medium & long term,yes STN will almost certainly cruise ahead being a London area airport.

[LAX_LHR]

i wouldn't say 'cruise past'. It will be a drive by speed at best.

It's going to be a close call in the next 5 years, but needless to say, Monarch issue aside for MAN and Ryanair at STN, both airports growing at a good rate, so I wouldn't be sitting there thinking it's going to be a dead cert like you seem to be. 'London' airport or not, both airports have their merits.

MAN has had a chunk taken out by Monarch, but It's made a dent, rather than be a catastrophe. The same couldn't be said about STN if Ryanair, Jet2 or Easyjet were to suddenly stop......

[southside bobby]

LAX LHR....Very true...very true...But just to highlight potential from a standing start even this time last year both you & I would not have considered Jet2 in your equation regarding STN`s traffic (Indications now of a further doubling of units by 2019)..You would have just stated Ryanair & EasyJet.
MAG are well aware of the historical dependence but split 3 ways now at least.

[LAX_LHR]

There's potential at both airports, and that's the point. It's not so easy to say 'STN will definately pass MAN', it's just too close to call either way, and it's not going to be the easy ride being made out.

MAG has the overall aspiration to make MAN a top 10 European airport. Hardly indicative of a leadership that envisages STN overtaking MAN any time soon....

[daz211]

STN has yet to attract major longhaul airlines but it will happen in the next year or two MAN allegedly has a large number of longhaul airlines I feel very uncomfortable about the race to No3 I see MAN and STN more of sisters than rivals I would hate it to turn in to the childish LTN vs STN relationship

[southside bobby]

I agree with you daz211...yes STN & MAN should be regarded as partners within the MAG business overall...apart from obvious synergies it also grants MAG the absolute right to claim they are the UK`s largest airport operator with the obvious weight attached.
However I couch my sentiments above partly as from Day 1 or even before I have never seen any recognition of the benefits of MAG acquiring STN from any MAN poster (several having been banned anyway with their boring political anti London views I am sorry to say).
I hope always to state facts or if not try to explain at least the reasoning.Putting that forward & it being "countered" is not in itself "childish"..
Airport league tables are important & depending perhaps how readers care to interpret the figures & anyhows are reputational with a certain amount of prestige & kudos if only to the very workers who produce all the effort.

[daz211]

Southside bobby
Sorry if that came across as a dig at you but it wasn’t it was just a general statement I know the love hate relationship between MAN and STN but working between both airports I feel/hope things are getting better between what I would call supporters on a personal note I think STN has more scope for faster growth especially when STN gains more longhaul but as we have seen the loss of an airline can make the world of difference

[LAX_LHR]

Obviously the synergy of the MAG group means that the company want both airports to do well, it all goes back into the same pot after all. A strong MAN helps make a strong STN, and vice versa.

As I've said, both airports should continue to do very well, my only comment came about because I firmly believe that it's not a dead cert that STN will, to quote, 'cruise' past MAN. Yes, STN may overtake MAN, any things possible, but I wouldn't be seasoning any hats just yet.....

[nigel osborne]

Originally Posted by Plane.Silly

Interesting summation of Monarch's expected passenger loss at MAN on the Manchester thread. Despite the extra seats on sale from Jet2, Easyjet, TUI, Thomas Cook and others, we could see a brief period of negative growth for MAN. This may then mean that STN reclaims the #3 largest UK airport again. One to watch in the next few months/year maybe

Was wondering how much parking space for storing planes their is at STN, as looks like Birmingham is to be used to park 10 Ryan Airs from elsewhere for storage this winter ..not room for them at their main UK base of STN I assume ?