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Wonder when they'll get round to acknowledging the demise of Emerald and replace the mail plane type currently shown in Mayfly as "HS748" with the "AN26" now doing the run.
(For those who have yet to investigate the links Mayfly is Ronaldsway's management's list of scheduled services planned each day)
(For those who have yet to investigate the links Mayfly is Ronaldsway's management's list of scheduled services planned each day)
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Certainly. There is a certain amount of "rose tinted glasses" here on the Island where Manx Airlines are concerned. What people forget is that they were expensive, unreliable, and ultimately sold out to BA, resulting in the loss of the Heathrow route, and prompting the start of the fiasco in air services that we have today. They were never "great" they took advantage of their position, built a valuable product and sold out to the highest bidder. So lets not romantisize them, or turn them into something that they never were i.e a "Manx national airline". They employed a lot of Manx boys and girls, and ultimately most of them now find themselves working somewhere else. We can comfort ourselves by thinking that things would be different if Manx were still here today, but the truth is they would be just the same.
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The Great Manx Airlines.
Sold out to BA? i thought they had no choice, or the British Regional contract with BA would not be renewed? Also, were the Manx government not offered a controling share in Manx, but opted for the "Open Skies" policy?
Manx gave me great training, I learnt so much from the guys there.
I stand by my commment, "the once great Manx Airlines"
Manx gave me great training, I learnt so much from the guys there.
I stand by my commment, "the once great Manx Airlines"
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Manx Airlines Ltd & British Regional Airlines Ltd were owned by British Regional Airlines plc, a listed Company on the UK stockmarket. The biggest regional Airline in Europe and the third biggest in the world ( at the time)
With their BA Franchise up for renewal - (bearing in mind that all of the UK based aircraft operated as a BA franchsie) 2003 ish. BA decided to purchase BRAL plc in June 2002 for £76m.
The BRAL plc Share holders must have decided that it would be better to sell than deal with the risk franchise not being renewed.
The new Company BA Citiexpress now included Manx Airlines Ltd / BRAL / Brymon & the Trojan horse BA Regional.
Although Manx Airlines Ltd continued to operate for 12 months the brand was discontinued by the new BRAL management team
The rest is history...............Trojan horse eats up everything, gets ill and gets put down. BA have cleaned house. ( regions)
With their BA Franchise up for renewal - (bearing in mind that all of the UK based aircraft operated as a BA franchsie) 2003 ish. BA decided to purchase BRAL plc in June 2002 for £76m.
The BRAL plc Share holders must have decided that it would be better to sell than deal with the risk franchise not being renewed.
The new Company BA Citiexpress now included Manx Airlines Ltd / BRAL / Brymon & the Trojan horse BA Regional.
Although Manx Airlines Ltd continued to operate for 12 months the brand was discontinued by the new BRAL management team
The rest is history...............Trojan horse eats up everything, gets ill and gets put down. BA have cleaned house. ( regions)
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Ransman, I agree about the greatness of Manx Airlines - sometimes you never realise what you had till it's gone - and sometimes not until it's come back again 
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The immediate future of IOM air transport was certainly a topic of conversation amongst the 'old guard' at Winston's 'final farewell party' last week in Bristol, which incidentally was more like a Bob Marley concert than anything else (just what the old boy would have wanted
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There'll be a few familiar voices on the RT from April.... let's wait and see what happens after then
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P.S. 'Skys' ??
. The immediate future of IOM air transport was certainly a topic of conversation amongst the 'old guard' at Winston's 'final farewell party' last week in Bristol, which incidentally was more like a Bob Marley concert than anything else (just what the old boy would have wanted
). There'll be a few familiar voices on the RT from April.... let's wait and see what happens after then
.P.S. 'Skys' ??
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Hi capt H - sorry I could not get from UAE for Winston's farewell (I gather that many of you were more successful than me).
It still surprises me that so many people ask, on my occasional visits, when the real 'Manx Airlines' (and I really believe we acted as a 'National Airline' Hansol) is coming back.
Out of fairness, some of the current incumbents appear to be trying hard and applying more sense to the situation than previously (perhaps blame is better directed at Government than them) and are operating in a less opportune environment that was faced when setting up Manx Airlines in 1982 after many years of failing airlines and general recession.
Brgds
TimS
It still surprises me that so many people ask, on my occasional visits, when the real 'Manx Airlines' (and I really believe we acted as a 'National Airline' Hansol) is coming back.
Out of fairness, some of the current incumbents appear to be trying hard and applying more sense to the situation than previously (perhaps blame is better directed at Government than them) and are operating in a less opportune environment that was faced when setting up Manx Airlines in 1982 after many years of failing airlines and general recession.
Brgds
TimS
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hi all on the iom,wonder if any one could answer me a question?am flying out on vlm in march and have just recived a mess saying flight time has been changed.been brought foward by 3hrs from lcy.does this aircraft now stay out there al day?as fly time back is now not untill 1600hrs.thank,s paul.........
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Looks like this is the case until the end of March anyway, plus there is a Sunday rotation
Its seems to have all gone quiet on Manx2's attempt to get to LHR or could BMI beat them to it?.
Its seems to have all gone quiet on Manx2's attempt to get to LHR or could BMI beat them to it?.
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Heard about EASA maybe grounding the Let410s from 27th March. This could mean a full intergration of aircraft from Let to Metro/BAe.
Lessor says that the hope lives on, and that the aircraft will be allowed to fly after this date!
I certainly hope so! IOM, BLK, LBA and BFS (not BHD) have been great to spot at because of the atleast twice daily flights to all of these airports!
Long live LET!
Lessor says that the hope lives on, and that the aircraft will be allowed to fly after this date!
I certainly hope so! IOM, BLK, LBA and BFS (not BHD) have been great to spot at because of the atleast twice daily flights to all of these airports!
Long live LET!
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Fellas, I'm back from me hols. Flew off and on the Island with austrian airways (tee,hee), only joking you fellas at the redtails. Dead on time which is OK by me and my mates but no food and we were starving. Cuppas OK and the whisky and dry went down a treet but after the trip from hell something to eat would have been good - don't mind paying, you redtails.
So we get back to the snug to find out whats been going on and nowt. The redtails still are working those dashes. Nice and quiet but those seats look as if theyve been used at a kiddies party at la piazza - yuk! See that Manxy Too are getting with it with that online checkin. Must be some wizzkids working there in the PR department. Doing a good job as far as we can work out for what is a little operator. What about those poor blokes and girlies at Manx Regional not knowing whats happening, thats according to one of my mates in the other handlers who thinks theyve got the go ahead to work the BA flights if there are going to be any. Those toffee nosers might have to lower themselves but what a come down if its true - not to say theres nothing wrong with the supporters, top blokes and girlies all of them - and we heard it in the snug so it must be true. The redtails seem to be running on empty and we reckon theyre going to get left behind in what with everything else might happen here in avaitions Mecca.
Will report on any other skeat from the snug as soon as I can afford another pint.
So we get back to the snug to find out whats been going on and nowt. The redtails still are working those dashes. Nice and quiet but those seats look as if theyve been used at a kiddies party at la piazza - yuk! See that Manxy Too are getting with it with that online checkin. Must be some wizzkids working there in the PR department. Doing a good job as far as we can work out for what is a little operator. What about those poor blokes and girlies at Manx Regional not knowing whats happening, thats according to one of my mates in the other handlers who thinks theyve got the go ahead to work the BA flights if there are going to be any. Those toffee nosers might have to lower themselves but what a come down if its true - not to say theres nothing wrong with the supporters, top blokes and girlies all of them - and we heard it in the snug so it must be true. The redtails seem to be running on empty and we reckon theyre going to get left behind in what with everything else might happen here in avaitions Mecca.
Will report on any other skeat from the snug as soon as I can afford another pint.
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Welcome to the forum. This one has been mentioned a couple of times. Nothin has been said over here on the rock thou. The rumours doin the rounds are EMX and BE and whats goin to happen once everythin goes through....but back to the question.
EMX and VLM already serve LCY, and pretty much every month, pax figures are increasing slowly as you can see on the airport website. The advantage for BACF would be that they would use a nice RJ100, and businessmen like a nice shiney jet. If they do come onto the route, that would be 3 operators, which is too many, and someone would have to give.
VLM are changing their times shortly, and adding a sunday rotation. Risk for BACF i think, we will see what happens
EMX and VLM already serve LCY, and pretty much every month, pax figures are increasing slowly as you can see on the airport website. The advantage for BACF would be that they would use a nice RJ100, and businessmen like a nice shiney jet. If they do come onto the route, that would be 3 operators, which is too many, and someone would have to give.
VLM are changing their times shortly, and adding a sunday rotation. Risk for BACF i think, we will see what happens
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hello tinwald, i have heard the same thing, don't think regional are gonna get the handling but at the moment its anyones guess but i would imagine that whichever way it goes the others will be willing to take on some experienced and trained staff instead of newbies?? Just a thought.
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i haven't heard that one to be honest, would be interesting though. That is pretty much how EMX started out, with a beech 1900 to LPL a few times daily. Seemed to work though