Payday at Arik Air
It is real simple do or die stuff, very very few people are here by choice and we leave the moment we can get something else that pays.
I do sympathise with the situation at ARIK but some of the posts on this thread have read as though it came as a big shock that you guys weren't getting paid. And SouBE did leave a good job to go to ARIK.
The moral of this surely must be don't work for a Nigerian Company
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I cannot fault you guys (sterling/futura/xl etc.) for taking work where you can even in the third world. I would even argue that you gents have been fortunate in this environment to have work... however with work should come adequate pay albeit "on time" as well? Hopefully the majority of you guys have left yourselves in positions where you have gained quality time and have made some savings with regards to whatever you have been paid? I would imagine the per diem and naira 10 percentage, and housing being provided has afforded you the ability to sock away some pay into savings/bills.
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Didn't anybody see the chalk dust?
Bluejuice please tell me that this is your idea of a joke.
For you to have the knowledge of our pay breakdown suggests that you may be more than a Probationary first time poster! Grow a pair and use your usual handle so that we know who you are rather than snipe incendiary rounds into a heated matter which lets be honest is about the abuse of aviators and crews.
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I think all of us here are more than aware of the fact that there are pay issues. We need to come back to the fact that it pays better than unemployment.
We are not Nigerian and not in need of moral guidance thank you. We know that Nigeria is home of the 419, etc, etc but facts are facts even if they make us wear grass skirts and beat us at the end of the day IT IS STILL BETTER THAN UNEMPLOYMENT.
Back to the shock bit, sorry did it come as a big shock that we were not going to get paid on time or at all in many cases, errrm yes, the contract from Arik in London quite clearly said something to the effect of, we get in the plane fly it somewhere and bring it back for 30 days and they put money in our bank.........
Now the contract also has lots of other stuff about transport and accommodation etc, etc we deep down knew that they were never going to give us even half of what was promised, that was a disappointment but not a shock. Now getting paid late by a few days here and there again not really a shocker, annoying but no shock.
Not getting paid at all, having colleagues sacked or suspended on the whim of an incompetent and egotistical Chief Pilot for looking at him in a funny way, wearing a loud shirt in a built up area or having an offensive wife are not at all something that most of us foresaw.
To be honest, I consider myself an educated man and though I am not an expert on the travelling habits of one Private William T Santiago I do know that I expect even Nigerians to pay me for work that I have done.
Seeing however as you can see so clearly into the future perhaps you can tell me where the best place to go from here is please?
VT
For you to have the knowledge of our pay breakdown suggests that you may be more than a Probationary first time poster! Grow a pair and use your usual handle so that we know who you are rather than snipe incendiary rounds into a heated matter which lets be honest is about the abuse of aviators and crews.
Evanelplus
I think all of us here are more than aware of the fact that there are pay issues. We need to come back to the fact that it pays better than unemployment.
The moral of this surely must be don't work for a Nigerian Company
Back to the shock bit, sorry did it come as a big shock that we were not going to get paid on time or at all in many cases, errrm yes, the contract from Arik in London quite clearly said something to the effect of, we get in the plane fly it somewhere and bring it back for 30 days and they put money in our bank.........
Now the contract also has lots of other stuff about transport and accommodation etc, etc we deep down knew that they were never going to give us even half of what was promised, that was a disappointment but not a shock. Now getting paid late by a few days here and there again not really a shocker, annoying but no shock.
Not getting paid at all, having colleagues sacked or suspended on the whim of an incompetent and egotistical Chief Pilot for looking at him in a funny way, wearing a loud shirt in a built up area or having an offensive wife are not at all something that most of us foresaw.
To be honest, I consider myself an educated man and though I am not an expert on the travelling habits of one Private William T Santiago I do know that I expect even Nigerians to pay me for work that I have done.
Seeing however as you can see so clearly into the future perhaps you can tell me where the best place to go from here is please?
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5N-DON, Lagos Tower!
Confirm you can competently deflate a tyre-a-day per aircraft for the next 30 days.
If so, you are cleared for an immediate deflation of one-tyre-per-aircraft-per-day. Expedite!
Report 'Orbit' completed.
Confirm you can competently deflate a tyre-a-day per aircraft for the next 30 days.
If so, you are cleared for an immediate deflation of one-tyre-per-aircraft-per-day. Expedite!
Report 'Orbit' completed.
To be honest, I consider myself an educated man and though I am not an expert on the travelling habits of one Private William T Santiago I do know that I expect even Nigerians to pay me for work that I have done.
Seeing however as you can see so clearly into the future perhaps you can tell me where the best place to go from here is please?
Seeing however as you can see so clearly into the future perhaps you can tell me where the best place to go from here is please?
Obiviously my post has rankled you, it wasn't meant to. I genuinely feel sorry for everyone at ARIK for the situation. I can speak from personal experiences about dealings with Nigerian aviation culture and sadly, they are all bad. I personally would steer well clear of anything Nigerian, that goes from airlines right to the government who are the worst of the lot.
I think your statement about expecting even Nigerians to pay you for work done is at best, hopeful and at worst, naive. Get the hell out of there, do anything, even the dole is better than getting nothing.
I do hope you all get what is owed to you, I really do.
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You are in an unenviable situation that is not going to get any better. You don't have to be a rocket scientist to know that your position there will only get worse. As the previous poster said, get out and get out now. The owner of Arik is taking the piss and you are letting him shake it all over you.
You guys are paid late or not at all. Lets face it, for putting up with living there, you should be paid in ADVANCE.
Arik has a history for late salary and every day that you stay there is another day worked for free. Cut your losses, keep your sanity and get yourself and all your expact friends working for them and get your asses out of there. You might as well be penniless back home than in Lagos.
Your outstanding salary is gone, gone, gone. Deal with it and quit with your dignity. Don't broadcast your intentions, just climb on a flight and go home. If you try play hardball in Nigeria, you will come off second best.
The overwhelmimg majority of adviced given, is for you and your mates to get out and leave those clowns to their own devices. You are having sleepless nights, do you think the owners are?
If you stay it will end in tears and you will only have yourself to blame.
Most advice given is well intended and is from guys who have experienced the way things work in and around the continent.
We sympathise with you now but if in a few months you are still there complaining about the same then we are going to be laughing at you.
Death, taxes and getting screwed in Nigeria.....the 3 certainties in life.
The ball is in your court...
You guys are paid late or not at all. Lets face it, for putting up with living there, you should be paid in ADVANCE.
Arik has a history for late salary and every day that you stay there is another day worked for free. Cut your losses, keep your sanity and get yourself and all your expact friends working for them and get your asses out of there. You might as well be penniless back home than in Lagos.
Your outstanding salary is gone, gone, gone. Deal with it and quit with your dignity. Don't broadcast your intentions, just climb on a flight and go home. If you try play hardball in Nigeria, you will come off second best.
The overwhelmimg majority of adviced given, is for you and your mates to get out and leave those clowns to their own devices. You are having sleepless nights, do you think the owners are?
If you stay it will end in tears and you will only have yourself to blame.
Most advice given is well intended and is from guys who have experienced the way things work in and around the continent.
We sympathise with you now but if in a few months you are still there complaining about the same then we are going to be laughing at you.
Death, taxes and getting screwed in Nigeria.....the 3 certainties in life.
The ball is in your court...
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These guys really do "give a dog a bad name" by making deals and not sticking to them, much like many other Nigerians in aviation. Have a look in "Rotorheads" here for so-called Caverscam and their antics, Stillwater as was, Barnax, and so on and on. You go to Nigeria, then you play by local rules and get shafted the same way locals do. Maybe you get lucky and get paid, maybe not but a contract with a local operator in the context of Nigeria is largely meaningless. So long as you understand that you should be okay. If you think it's like the USA or Europe, where you haul someone up before an arbritration board, think again!
You really can end up in jail, as the Barnax ex-pats found out to their considerable surprise, even after I had dropped some heavy hints. I met these Barnax guys, all ex-Eastern Airlines, working like beavers on what they took for a serious start-up regional airline, up there on the first floor of a low-rise building in Port Harcourt, its forecourt all crammed with generators and pumps and such.
After observing the level of work they were putting in there I asked them what the deal would be if they didn't get paid on time, when they very stoutly told me that they would down tools forthwith, one even saying, "What are they going to do, lock us up?"
"Err, guys, that is an option here in Nigeria, you know..." Then they just looked at me. That is to say from their US point of view, Mr "Barnax" had signed with ILFC (I think it was) for 2 (two) Boeing 737-200 aircraft, promising to pay some considerable sum of money every month to this well-known leasing firm and had also signed contracts with these professional airmen for their services so that as far as they were concerned this Nigerian would find himself in a whole lot of trouble if he didn't hold up his end of the deal.
Well, there was a whole lot of trouble but mainly for the leasing company, when it took forever to get their damned airplanes back. Barnax got an injunction from some tame local judge that meant the planes were sat there rotting on the ramp for years and the pilots did, indeed, down tools but were then surprised to be put in jail. Only for a little while, after which they went back to the States but I doubt they ever saw any of that money that was promised them.
Did "Barnax" get into any serious trouble over that? Will Arik over what is happening now? Does a chicken have lips?
You really can end up in jail, as the Barnax ex-pats found out to their considerable surprise, even after I had dropped some heavy hints. I met these Barnax guys, all ex-Eastern Airlines, working like beavers on what they took for a serious start-up regional airline, up there on the first floor of a low-rise building in Port Harcourt, its forecourt all crammed with generators and pumps and such.
After observing the level of work they were putting in there I asked them what the deal would be if they didn't get paid on time, when they very stoutly told me that they would down tools forthwith, one even saying, "What are they going to do, lock us up?"
"Err, guys, that is an option here in Nigeria, you know..." Then they just looked at me. That is to say from their US point of view, Mr "Barnax" had signed with ILFC (I think it was) for 2 (two) Boeing 737-200 aircraft, promising to pay some considerable sum of money every month to this well-known leasing firm and had also signed contracts with these professional airmen for their services so that as far as they were concerned this Nigerian would find himself in a whole lot of trouble if he didn't hold up his end of the deal.
Well, there was a whole lot of trouble but mainly for the leasing company, when it took forever to get their damned airplanes back. Barnax got an injunction from some tame local judge that meant the planes were sat there rotting on the ramp for years and the pilots did, indeed, down tools but were then surprised to be put in jail. Only for a little while, after which they went back to the States but I doubt they ever saw any of that money that was promised them.
Did "Barnax" get into any serious trouble over that? Will Arik over what is happening now? Does a chicken have lips?
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Dr Micheal promised pay to be dispensed on the 7th, to be in our accounts on the 8th (not mentioning that both dates are over a week late).
He lied.
No money.
He lied.
No money.
Dr Micheal promised pay to be dispensed on the 7th, to be in our accounts on the 8th (not mentioning that both dates are over a week late).
He lied.
No money.
He lied.
No money.
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Trade In Time coming close
Fact is no Bread YET.We need da 500hrs on type before scramming,things are looking up in da East and Turkish,check da websites guys,He's gonna eat his planes soon,or trade them IN,dats actually da truth anyways,They need da money for the upcoming Elections>>>>da real owners
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For Sale...5 Old 737 !!!
Thats what I heard...five 737's are going.....!!!! A,B,J,K,I....lets see if it is really going to happen. Eyes and ears peeled !!!
....stupid Nigerian Internet....!!!!
....stupid Nigerian Internet....!!!!
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For Sale...5 Old 737 !!!
Thats what I heard...five 737's are going.....!!!! A,B,J,K,I....lets see if it is really going to happen. Eyes and ears peeled !!!
....stupid Nigerian Internet....!!!!
Is this true? Is this where Jimoh Ibrahim is getting his 5 a/c from for VK?
Any confirmation as to if it is true about W3 selling and any update on the VK arrivals - they must be due soon if they want a flet of 10 a/ c by October...
Thats what I heard...five 737's are going.....!!!! A,B,J,K,I....lets see if it is really going to happen. Eyes and ears peeled !!!
....stupid Nigerian Internet....!!!! Is this true? Is this where Jimoh Ibrahim is getting his 5 a/c from for VK?
Any confirmation as to if it is true about W3 selling and any update on the VK arrivals - they must be due soon if they want a flet of 10 a/ c by October...
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Hahaha...the wings are really stalling...or running out of political clout.
The Economic and Financial Crimes Commission, on Tuesday, quizzed the Chairman of Arik Airline, Chief Joseph Arumeni-Ikhide, for several hours over alleged tax evasion.
A cumulative N10bn is involved in the alleged offence. Our correspondent gathered that Arumeni-Ikhide’s interrogation went late into the night before he was released on administrative bail at about 8pm.
A top official of the EFCC told our correspondent that the chairman was initially being investigated over alleged evasion of N5bn tax due to be paid by the airline.
But the commission was said to have stumbled on another N5bn evasion of Ticket Service Charges by Arik in the course of investigating alleged financial scandal in the Nigeria Civil Aviation Authority.
The EFCC had summoned the Arik chairman in continuation of its investigation into the rot in the air transport sector of the economy, particularly to determine the airlines that had been evading tax.
The commission had on September 29, 2009 raided the Lagos office of the airline for about five hours in search of documents to establish the allegations.
Arik Air chairman arrested for evading N10b tax
A cumulative N10bn is involved in the alleged offence. Our correspondent gathered that Arumeni-Ikhide’s interrogation went late into the night before he was released on administrative bail at about 8pm.
A top official of the EFCC told our correspondent that the chairman was initially being investigated over alleged evasion of N5bn tax due to be paid by the airline.
But the commission was said to have stumbled on another N5bn evasion of Ticket Service Charges by Arik in the course of investigating alleged financial scandal in the Nigeria Civil Aviation Authority.
The EFCC had summoned the Arik chairman in continuation of its investigation into the rot in the air transport sector of the economy, particularly to determine the airlines that had been evading tax.
The commission had on September 29, 2009 raided the Lagos office of the airline for about five hours in search of documents to establish the allegations.
Arik Air chairman arrested for evading N10b tax
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Re 5 Old 737 for sale
@ westafricanair........
If I could answer that...this place would be called PPTrune......not PPRune...lol But I dont think they are going to VK, but I could be wrong.
If I could answer that...this place would be called PPTrune......not PPRune...lol But I dont think they are going to VK, but I could be wrong.
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It's interesting to see that Arik allegedly owes N5b in taxes.My question would be how much money is the company making to owe such an amount or perhaps does that figure include fees, fines etc? 
Secondly with regards to the replacement of 737 with A320 I think this would be a big blow to Boeing as it was almost guaranteed that Arik would be a Boeing airline.What does this mean to their fleet management/expansion strategy?
Secondly with regards to the replacement of 737 with A320 I think this would be a big blow to Boeing as it was almost guaranteed that Arik would be a Boeing airline.What does this mean to their fleet management/expansion strategy?
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It's interesting to see that Arik allegedly owes N5b in taxes.My question would be how much money is the company making to owe such an amount or perhaps does that figure include fees, fines etc?
Secondly with regards to the replacement of 737 with A320 I think this would be a big blow to Boeing as it was almost guaranteed that Arik would be a Boeing airline.What does this mean to their fleet management/expansion strategy?
Secondly with regards to the replacement of 737 with A320 I think this would be a big blow to Boeing as it was almost guaranteed that Arik would be a Boeing airline.What does this mean to their fleet management/expansion strategy?