USA passing level requirement
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USA passing level requirement
Is anyone able to point me to the reference in AIM or anywhere else for this:
Leaving LAX on initial contact with the departure frequency, we report passing level etc. This is standard for all airports.
On first contact with LA centre, they said they want the passing level reported as well as cleared level. They said everyone should state this (passing level once again).
My question is where is this requirement written?
Leaving LAX on initial contact with the departure frequency, we report passing level etc. This is standard for all airports.
On first contact with LA centre, they said they want the passing level reported as well as cleared level. They said everyone should state this (passing level once again).
My question is where is this requirement written?
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Try AIM 5-3-1 (b) ATC Frequency Change Procedures.
Several examples of comms, including altitude passing (climb or descent) and altitude assigned.
It's been my understanding that procedures in the AIM are considered advisory rather than regulatory. (However, if neglect or misuse of advisory procedures resulted in an incident or worse, I suppose the FAR 91.13 "careless/wreckless" clause could be used.)
Several examples of comms, including altitude passing (climb or descent) and altitude assigned.
It's been my understanding that procedures in the AIM are considered advisory rather than regulatory. (However, if neglect or misuse of advisory procedures resulted in an incident or worse, I suppose the FAR 91.13 "careless/wreckless" clause could be used.)
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Is anyone able to point me to the reference in AIM or anywhere else for this:
Leaving LAX on initial contact with the departure frequency, we report passing level etc. This is standard for all airports.
On first contact with LA centre, they said they want the passing level reported as well as cleared level. They said everyone should state this (passing level once again).
My question is where is this requirement written?
Leaving LAX on initial contact with the departure frequency, we report passing level etc. This is standard for all airports.
On first contact with LA centre, they said they want the passing level reported as well as cleared level. They said everyone should state this (passing level once again).
My question is where is this requirement written?
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Originally Posted by Amadis of gaul
Is this such a burden that you need something written to make you do it?
There have been R/T procedures here that have been rewritten/clarified in the regs because pilots have used only the published phrases and not what some ATCO has got into the habit of demanding.
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Is anyone able to point me to the reference in AIM or anywhere else for this:
Leaving LAX on initial contact with the departure frequency, we report passing level etc. This is standard for all airports.
On first contact with LA centre, they said they want the passing level reported as well as cleared level. They said everyone should state this (passing level once again).
My question is where is this requirement written?
Leaving LAX on initial contact with the departure frequency, we report passing level etc. This is standard for all airports.
On first contact with LA centre, they said they want the passing level reported as well as cleared level. They said everyone should state this (passing level once again).
My question is where is this requirement written?
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Originally Posted by B-757
..ICAO Doc4444..(4.11.3)..
):
Originally Posted by ICAO 4444
4.11.3 Radiotelephony procedures for air-ground voice communication channel changeoverWhen so prescribed by the appropriate ATS authority
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Originally Posted by B-757
..Mine is 28 NOV 2024..I really hope you are not flying with a 17yr old manual..
So, what does the current ICAO 4444 say at 4.11.3 and if it says similar to my copy, what does your regulator say?
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Is anyone able to point me to the reference in AIM or anywhere else for this:
Leaving LAX on initial contact with the departure frequency, we report passing level etc. This is standard for all airports.
On first contact with LA centre, they said they want the passing level reported as well as cleared level. They said everyone should state this (passing level once again).
My question is where is this requirement written?
Leaving LAX on initial contact with the departure frequency, we report passing level etc. This is standard for all airports.
On first contact with LA centre, they said they want the passing level reported as well as cleared level. They said everyone should state this (passing level once again).
My question is where is this requirement written?
Your location seems to be the UK. ICAO generic states to always, on initial contact with an ATC unit, state passing level+ cleared level (ATC is supposed to check your reported lvl vs their readout on their screen...)
However, if I am not mistaken, the UK has an exception to this requirement, hence your question? By the way, this is also why UK SIDīs have a note stating that on initial contact with dep.ctrl to state passing altitude+ cleared altitude (again as this is normally not done in the UK).
Rgds,
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Your location seems to be the UK. ICAO generic states to always, on initial contact with an ATC unit, state passing level+ cleared level (ATC is supposed to check your reported lvl vs their readout on their screen...)
However, if I am not mistaken, the UK has an exception to this requirement, hence your question? By the way, this is also why UK SIDīs have a note stating that on initial contact with dep.ctrl to state passing altitude+ cleared altitude (again as this is normally not done in the UK).
Rgds,
However, if I am not mistaken, the UK has an exception to this requirement, hence your question? By the way, this is also why UK SIDīs have a note stating that on initial contact with dep.ctrl to state passing altitude+ cleared altitude (again as this is normally not done in the UK).
Rgds,
Thanks everyone for the info.
