Foreign pilots now allowed to apply for a Green Card?
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The overwhelming majority of foreigners flying as airline pilots in the USA did not come in on these visas. They came in because they had dual citizenship through a parent, had a US spouse, or came as students when they were young and did all their higher education and pilot licensing in the USA. The airlines worth working for in the USA are not short of pilots to the degree of needing to start sponsoring significant amounts of pilots to immigrate to the USA.
Just another thing to keep in mind, I speak from the perspective as a “world citizen” whose wife is a foreign national, I’ve worked in several airlines in the USA and the Middle East, now at a major US airline. Be sure living in the USA is really going to be right for you, after having hardly been in the USA for around a decade, it’s really changed and not for the better. I find working with all these former military pilots to be hardly bearable, I constantly get abused by crazy conspiracy theories about Trump or the virus being fake and lambasted about not having been in the US military. Living and working here is like being trapped in some kind of twisted reality tv program.
Just another thing to keep in mind, I speak from the perspective as a “world citizen” whose wife is a foreign national, I’ve worked in several airlines in the USA and the Middle East, now at a major US airline. Be sure living in the USA is really going to be right for you, after having hardly been in the USA for around a decade, it’s really changed and not for the better. I find working with all these former military pilots to be hardly bearable, I constantly get abused by crazy conspiracy theories about Trump or the virus being fake and lambasted about not having been in the US military. Living and working here is like being trapped in some kind of twisted reality tv program.
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From: In the soup
The overwhelming majority of foreigners flying as airline pilots in the USA did not come in on these visas. They came in because they had dual citizenship through a parent, had a US spouse, or came as students when they were young and did all their higher education and pilot licensing in the USA. The airlines worth working for in the USA are not short of pilots to the degree of needing to start sponsoring significant amounts of pilots to immigrate to the USA.
Just another thing to keep in mind, I speak from the perspective as a “world citizen” whose wife is a foreign national, I’ve worked in several airlines in the USA and the Middle East, now at a major US airline. Be sure living in the USA is really going to be right for you, after having hardly been in the USA for around a decade, it’s really changed and not for the better. I find working with all these former military pilots to be hardly bearable, I constantly get abused by crazy conspiracy theories about Trump or the virus being fake and lambasted about not having been in the US military. Living and working here is like being trapped in some kind of twisted reality tv program.
Just another thing to keep in mind, I speak from the perspective as a “world citizen” whose wife is a foreign national, I’ve worked in several airlines in the USA and the Middle East, now at a major US airline. Be sure living in the USA is really going to be right for you, after having hardly been in the USA for around a decade, it’s really changed and not for the better. I find working with all these former military pilots to be hardly bearable, I constantly get abused by crazy conspiracy theories about Trump or the virus being fake and lambasted about not having been in the US military. Living and working here is like being trapped in some kind of twisted reality tv program.
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From: Paramaribo, Suriname
civil conversations
The overwhelming majority of foreigners flying as airline pilots in the USA did not come in on these visas. They came in because they had dual citizenship through a parent, had a US spouse, or came as students when they were young and did all their higher education and pilot licensing in the USA. The airlines worth working for in the USA are not short of pilots to the degree of needing to start sponsoring significant amounts of pilots to immigrate to the USA.
Just another thing to keep in mind, I speak from the perspective as a “world citizen” whose wife is a foreign national, I’ve worked in several airlines in the USA and the Middle East, now at a major US airline. Be sure living in the USA is really going to be right for you, after having hardly been in the USA for around a decade, it’s really changed and not for the better. I find working with all these former military pilots to be hardly bearable, I constantly get abused by crazy conspiracy theories about Trump or the virus being fake and lambasted about not having been in the US military. Living and working here is like being trapped in some kind of twisted reality tv program.
Just another thing to keep in mind, I speak from the perspective as a “world citizen” whose wife is a foreign national, I’ve worked in several airlines in the USA and the Middle East, now at a major US airline. Be sure living in the USA is really going to be right for you, after having hardly been in the USA for around a decade, it’s really changed and not for the better. I find working with all these former military pilots to be hardly bearable, I constantly get abused by crazy conspiracy theories about Trump or the virus being fake and lambasted about not having been in the US military. Living and working here is like being trapped in some kind of twisted reality tv program.
)I really enjoy talking politics, religion conspiricies etc. BUT having flown in Europe, Africa and South America i now know that these subjects need to be discussed with people who can have a civil discussion without trying to change the others opinion..... I am contemplating moving there but will try to keep the discussions about politics, gun laws, religion, the military as far away from the flight deck as possible... I will try to stick to the bilboard 100, sports and company policies
( i stole this tip from the jetcareers.com)A difficult task to obtain the greencard, indeed. Also looking forward to receiving more tips.
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From: US via Oz, Honkers & Blighty.
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The overwhelming majority of foreigners flying as airline pilots in the USA did not come in on these visas. They came in because they had dual citizenship through a parent, had a US spouse, or came as students when they were young and did all their higher education and pilot licensing in the USA. The airlines worth working for in the USA are not short of pilots to the degree of needing to start sponsoring significant amounts of pilots to immigrate to the USA.
Just another thing to keep in mind, I speak from the perspective as a “world citizen” whose wife is a foreign national, I’ve worked in several airlines in the USA and the Middle East, now at a major US airline. Be sure living in the USA is really going to be right for you, after having hardly been in the USA for around a decade, it’s really changed and not for the better. I find working with all these former military pilots to be hardly bearable, I constantly get abused by crazy conspiracy theories about Trump or the virus being fake and lambasted about not having been in the US military. Living and working here is like being trapped in some kind of twisted reality tv program.
Just another thing to keep in mind, I speak from the perspective as a “world citizen” whose wife is a foreign national, I’ve worked in several airlines in the USA and the Middle East, now at a major US airline. Be sure living in the USA is really going to be right for you, after having hardly been in the USA for around a decade, it’s really changed and not for the better. I find working with all these former military pilots to be hardly bearable, I constantly get abused by crazy conspiracy theories about Trump or the virus being fake and lambasted about not having been in the US military. Living and working here is like being trapped in some kind of twisted reality tv program.
That's quite a negative picture you paint of your time and personal experience in US airline flying.
Not to be confrontational or impertinent, but why are you still here working under the conditions you describe ?
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From: Mexico City
That’s just 2 examples which are pretty old now but proof that some people will believe anything on Fox/CNN or Facebook. I added CNN because democrats aren’t innocent of peddling crap either.
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From: Perth
"""""""At this stage I see it as more of an experiment for pilots, and its not cheap. The average quotes for the NIW have been anywhere from $5k-$10K plus more IF the NIW is approved then its onto the next step"""""".
thanks for your information mate. Just a few questions; what do you mean by "$5k-$10k"? Is that the lawyers' quotes or self-applicants costs?
Just for my case example: CPL- INS-CFI (EASA ATP Frozen) from ICAO, CASA and EASA, +3500 hours. Master degree MBA, Bachelor of Aeronautics. Any chance for this NIW EB-2?
Thanks all for anyone else's opinions.
thanks for your information mate. Just a few questions; what do you mean by "$5k-$10k"? Is that the lawyers' quotes or self-applicants costs?
Just for my case example: CPL- INS-CFI (EASA ATP Frozen) from ICAO, CASA and EASA, +3500 hours. Master degree MBA, Bachelor of Aeronautics. Any chance for this NIW EB-2?
Thanks all for anyone else's opinions.
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From: Perth
Thanks
Tony
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From: formally Alamo battleground, now the crocodile with palm trees!
You forgot AAL!
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From: Perpetually Commuting
According to a few immigration lawyers, unless you are a test pilot from Airbus, forget it. Ordinary line pilots are nothing special.
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From: Far away from Idiots
I’ve been getting some emails lately asking me to apply for a green card since the pilot shortage in the US is at a very high level. I did however contact their delegated immigration lawyer and was told that it would cost me $12,000 ( paid in 3 installments) and non refundable if rejected for Green card. Not even partial refund wow . Possibly trying to find any way in getting some money from desperate pilots who need to go to the US. I’m not sure but that’s my personal feeling. I mean who in their right mind would part with $12k knowing it’s not a guaranteed process. 🤔
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From: Amantido
Only half a speed-brake
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From: Commuting not home
On the second sentence, agreed as well. A second wrong doesn't fix the first one (re: BananaJoe). A real shortage will drive the packages up, attracting the worldwide US pilots back to home soil. That tide will raise all the boats.
Airlines chasing foreigners only have a singular motivation to secure lower-cost labour while avoiding employment responsibilities normally associated with running their business.
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From: Perpetually Commuting
You can say similar thing about DHL in the U.S. Why are Canadian and European carriers operating through CVG carrying packages sent from the U.S?