Major/Legacy/LCC Hiring

[bafanguy]

Originally Posted by TinFoilhat2

Is Frontier still hiring E3 visa pilots and/or sponsoring green cards?

T2,

Apparently they are taking E3s but in pretty small numbers. See post # 3006 in this thread:

Australian pilots can work for US regionals.

[bafanguy]

United shakes the bushes a little harder:

https://www.breakingtravelnews.com/n...litary-pilots/

[bafanguy]

So, a little "churn" going on ? Entertaining:

https://airlinegeeks.com/2023/12/20/...ition-problem/

[bafanguy]

Delta mandatory age-65 pilot retirements. Looks pretty good. They've announced a reduction in hiring for 2024; only 80+/- per month:

https://skift.com/2023/12/30/delta-s...ring-for-2024/



Delta retirements as of Dec seniority list:

2024 - 508
2025 - 542
2026 - 521
2027 - 470
2028 - 483
2029 - 513
2030 - 556
2031 - 497
2032 - 478
2033 - 398
2034 - 390
2035 - 353
2036 - 377
2037 - 360
2038 - 374
2039 - 329
2040 - 405
2041 - 383
2042 - 443
2043 - 447
2044 - 531
2045 - 599
2046 - 594
2047 - 564
2048 - 597
2049 - 602
2050 - 506
2051 - 436
2052 - 475
2053 - 441
2054 - 396
2055 - 381
2056 - 298
2057 - 291
2058 - 273
2059 - 272
2060 - 197
2061 - 179
2062 - 149
2063 - 95
2064 - 36
2065 - 13

[bafanguy]

Interesting stats:

"Additionally, American Airlines, Delta Air Lines, and United Airlines hired a combined 57% of all pilots in 2023."


https://simpleflying.com/united-stat...-percent-2023/

[737pilotguy]

Originally Posted by bafanguy

Interesting stats:

"Additionally, American Airlines, Delta Air Lines, and United Airlines hired a combined 57% of all pilots in 2023."


https://simpleflying.com/united-stat...-percent-2023/

Do you have an AA and UA list like that? Any inside details?

[bafanguy]

Originally Posted by 737pilotguy

Do you have an AA and UA list like that? Any inside details?

If you mean a list of mandatory retirements, I'm afraid I don't. I just stumbled across the DL list. Not sure where to look for a current tally of AA or UA retirements. If I find any, I'll put them up here.

It's not exactly what you're looking for but here's some hiring history. They seem to update this regularly:

https://www.fapa.aero/pilot-hiring-history

[737pilotguy]

Originally Posted by bafanguy

If you mean a list of mandatory retirements, I'm afraid I don't. I just stumbled across the DL list. Not sure where to look for a current tally of AA or UA retirements. If I find any, I'll put them up here.

It's not exactly what you're looking for but here's some hiring history. They seem to update this regularly:

https://www.fapa.aero/pilot-hiring-history

I appreciate it nonetheless. I found this at airline pilot central: https://www.airlinepilotcentral.com/...rican_airlines
I don't know if it's up to date or where the information comes from. It seems that hiring these days is largely to replace the retirement numbers.

[bafanguy]

737pg,

Yes, I get the impression the data from APC isn't undated very often and therefore might not be accurate. I did a search of the AA threads on APC looking for a recent set of data but came up empty (or just have poor search skills).

[Sunrig]

Originally Posted by 737pilotguy

I don't know if it's up to date or where the information comes from. It seems that hiring these days is largely to replace the retirement numbers.

It looks like Delta is slowing down hiring. The plan for United is to keep hiring big numbers for the next years both for retirements and significant growth. We’re planning to bring a lot of regional flying to mainline. In 2024 we are supposed to get every 2.6 days a narrow body aircraft. And starting in 2025 approximately 24 787 per year to a total of 150 787s. Those are replacements and growth for the 767s and the smaller 777s. The 757 will be replaced by 321s.

[Boomhauer]

Looks like Southwest is slowing down for the moment as well. Some new-hires had their classes pushed back, and upcoming interviews were canceled. Not sure yet when they'll resume.

[bafanguy]

Originally Posted by Sunrig

It looks like Delta is slowing down hiring.

Sunrig,


Yes, apparently so. But judging from the number of calls my son gets for premium trips on his days off (sometimes several a day), they still need a lot more bodies. The frenetic pace of hiring in past years can't go on forever. But, cutting back to 1000/1100 a year is still pretty good; 2000/2200 a year is just nuts...but wonderful.

[bafanguy]

Not sure how important it is to post this Delta tidbit here but...why not. There's a new website for people to apply to Delta, replacing airlineapps.com:

https://delta.avature.net/pilotcareers

[Check Airman]

Originally Posted by bafanguy

737pg,

Yes, I get the impression the data from APC isn't undated very often and therefore might not be accurate. I did a search of the AA threads on APC looking for a recent set of data but came up empty (or just have poor search skills).

I have it on good authority that this data from APC is correct

Mandatory Retirements (Based on pilots turning 65 in the given year)

• 2020 - 323
• 2021 - 542
• 2022 - 624
• 2023 - 828
• 2024 - 911
• 2025 - 941
• 2026 - 904
• 2027 - 772
• 2028 - 688
• 2029 - 647
• 2030 - 568
• 2031 - 584
• 2032 - 523
• 2033 - 498
• 2034 - 435
• 2035 - 395
• 2036 - 307
• 2037 - 256
• 2038 - 267
• 2039 - 248
• 2040 - 255

https://www.airlinepilotcentral.com/...rican_airlines


The pay scales on APC are notoriously out of date, but as American, Delta and United have the same hourly rate for each type of aircraft until at least 2026, the highest of the 3 on APC should be close to accurate.

[bafanguy]

CA,

Thanks for the info. Those are still impressive numbers.

[bafanguy]

One CEO's opinion of current hiring situation:

https://airlinegeeks.com/2025/05/02/...hortage-over/#