US Regional Headhunting
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I can only guess that Cape is having a tough time competing for new blood ? Maybe they see an ab initio program as a way to lock in some people for a while ?
Heck, they'll even take people like us!
https://www.capeairpilots.com/gray-gulls
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I spent nearly six years at a regional wholly owned. Not only was there no flow, but the whole time I was there our mainline "parent" kept shrinking us until they closed us down at the end of September 2012.
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The wholly owned flow through scheme is a scam.
Join a regional, anyone, for they are all pretty much the same.
Do not fall for big jet syndrome until you have made Captain.
Upgrade as soon as possible.
Make sure you pass.
Keep your record clean.
Get your 1000 hours in command.
Then, and only them try to move on.
Try all the tricks in the book.
Work on a masters degree.
Community service is really big now.
Network like hell.
Take any of the top five airlines job offers.
After one year of no joy, widen your search to the top ten.
A year later, top fifteen.
But what ever you do, don’t ever give up trying.
Meant for a mature audience only, parent supervision not required.
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Not much said here lately about Silver Airways but they've been in the news recently for ordering a bunch of ATRs and buying Seaborne Airlines. No idea what this means for pilot hiring:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/trave...ine/556647002/
Their pilot hiring page:
Silver Airways
And from a few years ago, they've got a deal with Frontier. I'm not sure of the status or effectiveness of this arrangement:
https://www.silverairways.com/about-...m?stop_mobi=no
https://www.usatoday.com/story/trave...ine/556647002/
Their pilot hiring page:
Silver Airways
And from a few years ago, they've got a deal with Frontier. I'm not sure of the status or effectiveness of this arrangement:
https://www.silverairways.com/about-...m?stop_mobi=no
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Some time ago, I posted the following about a GoJet-Spirit "flow":
"GoJet has entered into a Pilot Pathway Program with Airbus operator Spirit Airlines that will guarantee GoJet pilots a First Officer position at Spirit in as little as two years. GoJet pilots who are accepted into the Pathway Program will be eligible to transition to Spirit after two years of service."
GoJet Airlines Announces Pilot Pathway Program with Spirit Airlines
PILOT CAREERS
And lately, I found the following about the GoJet-Spirit "flow" arrangement posted on another forum.
(1) I’m I reading this correctly? Does GoJet have a flow through to Spirt?
(2) We have a pipeline agreement with Spirit. You opt in at 24 months of longevity at which point you take Spirit's standardized Talent Assessment Test. Upon successful completion of the test you may transition to Spirit.
(3) Yes you MAY transition to Spirit.
The Spirit Flow is a pure scam. To date there is maybe 1 actual confirmed flow to Spirit while I have spoken to at least a dozen pilots that have been told they wouldn’t be allowed to flow.
In addition to the resounding no’s from Spirit, I have also spoken to Pilots that have had their interviews with Spirit cancelled or been told that they would not be eligible to interview because of the GoJet “Flow”
If you want to keep Spirit as an option in the future then your best chance of getting there is to avoid GoJet entirely.
Feel free to ask the company/recruiter for the actual names of flows since the beginning of the program. They might be able to confirm 1.
(4) Thought the wording was a little off. Unlike PSA, Envoy or PDT where as it’s stated straight out you flow into AA. The GoJet-Spirit “flow” is very vague.
So...what is the status of the GoJet-Spirit "flow" ? Real or smoke and mirrors ?
"GoJet has entered into a Pilot Pathway Program with Airbus operator Spirit Airlines that will guarantee GoJet pilots a First Officer position at Spirit in as little as two years. GoJet pilots who are accepted into the Pathway Program will be eligible to transition to Spirit after two years of service."
GoJet Airlines Announces Pilot Pathway Program with Spirit Airlines
PILOT CAREERS
And lately, I found the following about the GoJet-Spirit "flow" arrangement posted on another forum.
(1) I’m I reading this correctly? Does GoJet have a flow through to Spirt?
(2) We have a pipeline agreement with Spirit. You opt in at 24 months of longevity at which point you take Spirit's standardized Talent Assessment Test. Upon successful completion of the test you may transition to Spirit.
(3) Yes you MAY transition to Spirit.
The Spirit Flow is a pure scam. To date there is maybe 1 actual confirmed flow to Spirit while I have spoken to at least a dozen pilots that have been told they wouldn’t be allowed to flow.
In addition to the resounding no’s from Spirit, I have also spoken to Pilots that have had their interviews with Spirit cancelled or been told that they would not be eligible to interview because of the GoJet “Flow”
If you want to keep Spirit as an option in the future then your best chance of getting there is to avoid GoJet entirely.
Feel free to ask the company/recruiter for the actual names of flows since the beginning of the program. They might be able to confirm 1.
(4) Thought the wording was a little off. Unlike PSA, Envoy or PDT where as it’s stated straight out you flow into AA. The GoJet-Spirit “flow” is very vague.
So...what is the status of the GoJet-Spirit "flow" ? Real or smoke and mirrors ?
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Commutair forms alliance with Ohio University flight program:
https://www.prnewswire.com/news-rele...300639215.html
https://www.prnewswire.com/news-rele...300639215.html
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Republic adds three more university av programs to their supply pipeline:
Republic Airline Adds Three Universities As Pilot Development Program Partners | Aero-News Network
Republic Airline Adds Three Universities As Pilot Development Program Partners | Aero-News Network
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From an AA company newsletter, and also reported in Bloomberg, American Airlines will not renew contracts with Trans States Airlines (18 E145s) nor Expressjet (12 CRJ700s) and flying will terminate by April 2019.
Bloomberg reports that the Expressjet flying will be transitioned to parent company SkyWest.
In other news, AA has purchased 15 E175s and 15 CRJ900s which will be operated by Envoy and PSA respectively (plus 15 options of each type).
American’s contracts with regional carriers ExpressJet and Trans States to end next year
In an effort to improve consistency for our customers and simplify our regional operation, we have decided not to renew our contracts with ExpressJet and Trans States when they expire in April 2019. The changes will not affect our capacity or service levels in any of our markets, and we will work closely with all impacted partners to ensure smooth and gradual transitions from ExpressJet and Trans States to other existing American Eagle partners. Once the wind-down of these agreements is completed, American will have seven regional partners, down from 10 we had at the beginning of this year.
In an effort to improve consistency for our customers and simplify our regional operation, we have decided not to renew our contracts with ExpressJet and Trans States when they expire in April 2019. The changes will not affect our capacity or service levels in any of our markets, and we will work closely with all impacted partners to ensure smooth and gradual transitions from ExpressJet and Trans States to other existing American Eagle partners. Once the wind-down of these agreements is completed, American will have seven regional partners, down from 10 we had at the beginning of this year.
In other news, AA has purchased 15 E175s and 15 CRJ900s which will be operated by Envoy and PSA respectively (plus 15 options of each type).
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From an AA company newsletter, and also reported in Bloomberg, American Airlines will not renew contracts with Trans States Airlines (18 E145s) nor Expressjet (12 CRJ700s) and flying will terminate by April 2019.
Bloomberg reports that the Expressjet flying will be transitioned to parent company SkyWest.
In other news, AA has purchased 15 E175s and 15 CRJ900s which will be operated by Envoy and PSA respectively (plus 15 options of each type).
Bloomberg reports that the Expressjet flying will be transitioned to parent company SkyWest.
In other news, AA has purchased 15 E175s and 15 CRJ900s which will be operated by Envoy and PSA respectively (plus 15 options of each type).
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https://worldairlinenews.com/2018/05...tates-in-2019/
Starting to get interesting.
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So why the rationalisation by AA? Thinning the fleet to bring the flying under them? Don't often see insoursing in aviation.
Did any of the carrier's have flow agreements to AA.
Bafanguy, it may appear you are talking to yourself most of the time.....but your not, I'm listening!
Did any of the carrier's have flow agreements to AA.
Bafanguy, it may appear you are talking to yourself most of the time.....but your not, I'm listening!
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Yep, more regional consolidation is not out of the question. Rumors and speculation abound lately. I certainly don't know much about the future of all this.
But, it seems unlikely the legacies will bring all "regional" flying in-house at the legacy level...too expensive. The only statement I've seen was from Delta's CEO, Ed Bastian. He has a feature called Ask Ed Anything on the company website where employees send in questions on a variety of subjects which he answers on a video. About two years ago, someone wrote in asking if Delta would ever bring Endeavor into mainline. The answer was an unequivocal "NO". He said they "...like it..." the way it is, i.e., two separate certificates.
Of course, two years is an eternity in the airline biz but I don't see anything happening to indicate a change is imminent.
And, yes, I talk to myself !
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Horizon and Pen Air shakin' the bushes to see what falls out:
Airlines land in Anchorage in search of pilots - KTVA 11 - The Voice of Alaska
Airlines land in Anchorage in search of pilots - KTVA 11 - The Voice of Alaska
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I can't decipher this stuff. Does it mean Air Wisconsin is requesting 4 H1B visa spots starting in September, 2018...or they've ID's four specific individuals for whom they're requesting H1B visas ?
I-200-18081-995816: Certified :H1B Visa LCA | Myvisajobs.com
Found it here under "search current system" for 2018:
http://www.myvisajobs.com/Visa-Spons...nsin/20095.htm
I-200-18081-995816: Certified :H1B Visa LCA | Myvisajobs.com
Found it here under "search current system" for 2018:
http://www.myvisajobs.com/Visa-Spons...nsin/20095.htm
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I can't decipher this stuff. Does it mean Air Wisconsin is requesting 4 H1b visa spots starting in September, 2018...or they've ID's four specific individuals for whom they're requesting H1b visas ?
I-200-18081-995816: Certified :H1B Visa LCA Myvisajobs.com
Found it here under "search current system":
Air Wisconsin, Jobs & Salary for Foreign Workers myvisajobs.com
I-200-18081-995816: Certified :H1B Visa LCA Myvisajobs.com
Found it here under "search current system":
Air Wisconsin, Jobs & Salary for Foreign Workers myvisajobs.com
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Thanks. So it's not Canadians stealing Aussie jobs ?
I noticed that looking at the 4 LCAs from 2017, 2 were shown as H1B and 2 as E3s: http://www.myvisajobs.com/Visa-Spons...nsin/20095.htm
The reason I thought it was H1B is the first post from this avcanda thread citing contact with AW and showing their willingness/requirements for help with an H1B:
http://www.avcanada.ca/forums2/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=122708
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havick,
Thanks. So it's not Canadians stealing Aussie jobs ?
I noticed that looking at the 4 LCAs from 2017, 2 were shown as H1B and 2 as E3s: Air Wisconsin, Jobs & Salary for Foreign Workers myvisajobs.com
The reason I thought it was H1B is the first post from this avcanda thread citing contact with AW and showing their willingness/requirements for help with an H1B:
Some U.S. regional airlines are now sponsoring Canadians for the H1B Vis - AVCANADA
Thanks. So it's not Canadians stealing Aussie jobs ?
I noticed that looking at the 4 LCAs from 2017, 2 were shown as H1B and 2 as E3s: Air Wisconsin, Jobs & Salary for Foreign Workers myvisajobs.com
The reason I thought it was H1B is the first post from this avcanda thread citing contact with AW and showing their willingness/requirements for help with an H1B:
Some U.S. regional airlines are now sponsoring Canadians for the H1B Vis - AVCANADA
honestly I have no idea, I just know that on some of the immigration type websites the E3 can appear as a H1B even though it’s still an E3.
doesnt really answer your question it just makes it more confusing for you I guess.
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I work for AA and will venture a guess. Mr. Parker was the first to offer a "flow" program as a legacy major carrier. He believes that a properly constructed "flow" program will attract the necessary talent in the pilot pool without having to resort to a "cash war" for pilots. He has stated so in employee meetings. I believe that the reduction in flying by some contract carriers will allow AA to bring more flying on the "wholly owned", Envoy, Piedmont, & PSA, and increase the flow. Envoy already has direct entry captains.
AA will never bring all regional flying in-house. They will always want some contractors out there to keep a lid on costs. It's just that now with the pilot shortage the most effective way to control pilot costs is with the promise of a flow to mainline. AA management believes that it will reduce the pressure on pilot cost demands at contract time.
AA will never bring all regional flying in-house. They will always want some contractors out there to keep a lid on costs. It's just that now with the pilot shortage the most effective way to control pilot costs is with the promise of a flow to mainline. AA management believes that it will reduce the pressure on pilot cost demands at contract time.
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I work for AA and will venture a guess. Mr. Parker was the first to offer a "flow" program as a legacy major carrier. He believes that a properly constructed "flow" program will attract the necessary talent in the pilot pool without having to resort to a "cash war" for pilots. He has stated so in employee meetings. I believe that the reduction in flying by some contract carriers will allow AA to bring more flying on the "wholly owned", Envoy, Piedmont, & PSA, and increase the flow. Envoy already has direct entry captains.
AA will never bring all regional flying in-house. They will always want some contractors out there to keep a lid on costs. It's just that now with the pilot shortage the most effective way to control pilot costs is with the promise of a flow to mainline. AA management believes that it will reduce the pressure on pilot cost demands at contract time.
AA will never bring all regional flying in-house. They will always want some contractors out there to keep a lid on costs. It's just that now with the pilot shortage the most effective way to control pilot costs is with the promise of a flow to mainline. AA management believes that it will reduce the pressure on pilot cost demands at contract time.
Based on my observations, Parker cracked the code with this "flow" thing. While there's a wild card aspect to the "when" of the flow, it's a pretty big carrot particularly for the young, low-time guys entering the hunt...gets their interest. If they're starting out, they've got to put in the time/years somewhere so why not at a place with a flow and see what happens? They can always take a run at other carriers in the meantime.
The rumor mill says Delta will announce their "University Pathway Program" later this month. My sources tell me they've been cookin' up this thing for quite a while. They even have a dedicated Manager of Pilot Outreach who oversees things like this. I'll be very curious to see how closely it resembles AA's regional-to-mainline flow thingy...if at all.
Interesting times...
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I don't understand why these regionals don't just admit they'll consider/help expats if that's what they're doing anyway. IIRC, it took several of them a long time to put E3 info on their pilot employment websites and admit they were soliciting them. What do they have to lose?
Same for the Canadian thing. If they're having a tough time recruiting, why not just put it out there and see what happens ?
Rejecting applicants doesn't cost them anything so why not shake the bushes really hard and see what falls out ?