Foreign pilots flying for US Carriers
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From: Melbourne
Thanks Malc..... im just deciding if i want to try and get a job in the US or just stick to Australia here.
I know i would need to find a company to help me get a green card/Visa, so im just looking around at sites.... havnt seen much to accomodate me... any suggestions. I want corporate, but willing to work my way up! I have around 1000 hours at the moment.
I know i would need to find a company to help me get a green card/Visa, so im just looking around at sites.... havnt seen much to accomodate me... any suggestions. I want corporate, but willing to work my way up! I have around 1000 hours at the moment.
Joined: May 2008
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From: lovely planet
flying us carrier
what was amin said true. if with F1 you can work in local likes university.
its was om happen to me before 911. I got the job part 121 finished all my training except IOE. the checked on the sim was part 142.
the problem was on the department of labour. its to complicated.
because to issue H1B visa from INS is depend approvall from dpt of labour.
now with after 911 even worst they not even think to give a foreigner works as pilot.
but now with major non us carrier I fly to IAD/EWR /JFK/IAH evry month.
even you married with american takes 2 years.
try in middle east or india they plenty jobs in aviation.
its was om happen to me before 911. I got the job part 121 finished all my training except IOE. the checked on the sim was part 142.
the problem was on the department of labour. its to complicated.
because to issue H1B visa from INS is depend approvall from dpt of labour.
now with after 911 even worst they not even think to give a foreigner works as pilot.
but now with major non us carrier I fly to IAD/EWR /JFK/IAH evry month.
even you married with american takes 2 years.
try in middle east or india they plenty jobs in aviation.
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From: Florida USA
If you have the legal right to work here in the US (Green Card). US Airlines will hire you if they like you. Contrary to popular belief, the US does not discriminate against foreigners like the rest of the world does. None of that, only hiring your own kind, stuff.
Although, after what happened on 9-11, and since the whole world comes HERE to learn how to fly, we should "discriminate".
Although, after what happened on 9-11, and since the whole world comes HERE to learn how to fly, we should "discriminate".
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From: Down south, USA.
Weasil:
I hope I did not malign other pilots at airline x or anywhere else in my original post way back in '07.
The former IP there told me that one story and did not have time to explain the context or circumstances in detail etc.
There are so many changes in the US right now, the only thing that can help you is to have a good bit of seniority. Despite that, several small airlines just closed down and numerous other small companies could follow them.
I hope I did not malign other pilots at airline x or anywhere else in my original post way back in '07.
The former IP there told me that one story and did not have time to explain the context or circumstances in detail etc.
There are so many changes in the US right now, the only thing that can help you is to have a good bit of seniority. Despite that, several small airlines just closed down and numerous other small companies could follow them.
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From: Where the Quaboag River flows, USA
Must say, I find it amusing that so many are trying to break into US aviation. There is someone over on the Canada forum seeking to BUY M-E time!!
If you even pay the slightest attention to the news, US airline flying is just about in a depression. Chapter 11 was bypassed by several lines recently, Aloha, for example. UAL (and all the others) are going to furlough big time! Even some corporate operators are shutting down or reducing. Time to dust off that college sheepsking and see what is says-that might be a better future!!
If you even pay the slightest attention to the news, US airline flying is just about in a depression. Chapter 11 was bypassed by several lines recently, Aloha, for example. UAL (and all the others) are going to furlough big time! Even some corporate operators are shutting down or reducing. Time to dust off that college sheepsking and see what is says-that might be a better future!!
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From: usa
Airline Depression !!!!!
The US economy is in a recession, but the airline industry seems to be headed into a depression. The worst part of this down cycle are the contributing factors. OIL will probably stabilize at $200. The Supply
emand equation is irreversible. The trickle down effect of the deficit will stunt tourism and business travel. The reduction of essential service air travel will further squeeze economic travel growth for the airline industry.
emand equation is irreversible. The trickle down effect of the deficit will stunt tourism and business travel. The reduction of essential service air travel will further squeeze economic travel growth for the airline industry.
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From: USA
"Not totally true. I have seen many aliens get hired instead of citizens."
Well, to clarify this... You're talking about permanent residents ('green card' holders) not just aliens being hired... Same rules apply in Europe where if you are a permanent resident (citizen 'in waiting') you may seek employment just like the citizens can...
Well, to clarify this... You're talking about permanent residents ('green card' holders) not just aliens being hired... Same rules apply in Europe where if you are a permanent resident (citizen 'in waiting') you may seek employment just like the citizens can...
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From: Florida, USA
Some airlines, like Continental and Frontier, will require a US passport as they don't want to mess with the background checks required for non citizens, including Green Card holders. It's expensive and time consuming, needed for all future training events too.
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From: USA
"Some airlines, like Continental and Frontier, will require a US passport as they don't want to mess with the background checks required for non citizens, including Green Card holders. It's expensive and time consuming, needed for all future training events too."
It's also illegal but most of all totally incorrect...
I know 2 pilot at Frontier and 5 at CAL who are yet to obtain a US passport... Know several more that got a US passport many years after being employed there...
I've worked with recruitment issues at several smaller airlines but the process is the same at all airlines. Your statement is simply incorrect. Not sure why you're spreading this false information?
Some airlines might have specific requirements if they have lots of DOT or postal contract flying but even then a US passport is not required. FDX for example wants you to have physically lived in the US 5 years prior to being employed there due to their huge postal contract...
It's also illegal but most of all totally incorrect...
I know 2 pilot at Frontier and 5 at CAL who are yet to obtain a US passport... Know several more that got a US passport many years after being employed there...
I've worked with recruitment issues at several smaller airlines but the process is the same at all airlines. Your statement is simply incorrect. Not sure why you're spreading this false information?
Some airlines might have specific requirements if they have lots of DOT or postal contract flying but even then a US passport is not required. FDX for example wants you to have physically lived in the US 5 years prior to being employed there due to their huge postal contract...
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From: Florida, USA
This was not an airline I had an app with, but check out the link which states "Must possess a US Passport". They've changed it on their current official website ad but it was very specific previously.
Pilot Job :: Part 121 First Officer (Pilot)
Pilot Job :: Part 121 First Officer (Pilot)
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From: USA
Well, look at the phrase just a few sentences above - “Authorized to work in the US” – that’s the one which pertained to you at the time.
Most airlines will combine the two ‘requirements' and list them as “US Citizen or Authorized to Work in the US” or something similar.
IF your personal experience was that you were not hired simply because you were a green card holder – well, you could sue the crap out of them because according to the law you were authorized to work in the US…
Did they actually tell you that's why you weren't hired?
Most airlines will combine the two ‘requirements' and list them as “US Citizen or Authorized to Work in the US” or something similar.
IF your personal experience was that you were not hired simply because you were a green card holder – well, you could sue the crap out of them because according to the law you were authorized to work in the US…
Did they actually tell you that's why you weren't hired?
Last edited by USav8or; 21st July 2009 at 21:39.
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From: Florida, USA
There is no doubt from the ad I posted that you had to have a US passport, it didn't say "or". Read it carefully.
I'm not sure when your friends were hired but in the post 9-11 hiring, US passports became very important with some companies, whether noted upfront or an unofficial policy. It wasn't a problem prior to that. I can't give you details of my experience with certain applications (to protect the inside sources) but I can assure you it's a factor. Suing would be fruitless, hard to prove and would ruin your name with other pursuits. I heard about somebody who already tried that.
I'm not sure when your friends were hired but in the post 9-11 hiring, US passports became very important with some companies, whether noted upfront or an unofficial policy. It wasn't a problem prior to that. I can't give you details of my experience with certain applications (to protect the inside sources) but I can assure you it's a factor. Suing would be fruitless, hard to prove and would ruin your name with other pursuits. I heard about somebody who already tried that.