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I wonder if the "Yays" are secretly Flight School owners or have invested interest ?
Thanks for considered advice that I will pass on. I liked, in particular,,just giving website info which will be bang up to date. Thread opener did clarify that questions asked of me were related to employment entry, not what I thought of the career or risks involved in pursuing. Of course, those who passionately want to become Airline Pilots will do so via any route. In 1966, having failed BOAC/BEA Hamble (first stage), BUA (First stage) and readying for my second attempt at RAF (Cranwell Cadetship-Yes. Failed but offered Type B entry for Training as Nav. I just said "NO")), I secured employment with Caledonian as a Trainee Crew Rostering Assistant. I quickly befriended the Chief Pilot & then after buying him a Big Mac during lunch break in Crawley, asked if Cally would enter the sponsored pilot training market by sponsoring me to AST Perth. He larfed,and larfed, and larfed. Every time he saw me in the corridor outside Crewing, he larfed and larfed and larfed. Still made it though. |
Originally Posted by Gordomac
(Post 12008937)
ten ; VP did say ""Arguably". Faced with all the above, just getting to the min qual stage of being in a position to apply for a airline job seems daunting. And as to loads of ""Fully sponsored" deals being around-; really ? By whom ? And at what cost ?
My "fully sponsored course" in 1971 was all fees paid, full board and accommodation,full local education authority grant (paid for my petrol getting from Oxford tp Brighton & back almost every week-end !). Pay-back-? We had to come up with one third of the CPL?IR course, repaid to the sponsoring airline over 5 years out of salary. Didn't even feel it. Anything like that around today ? Recently, one UK airline was charging a fee just to have the CV read. Paying for type rating ? Gosh, it was considered unprofessional Until , during one downturn time, bods, well, rich bods, were doing that and securing jobs with people like VA onto the 74. Anyway, past is past. I was interested in the current news and views in order to correctly advise the bunch of keen chaps around. I am loathe to recommend and warn Mum & Dad that they are in for a mighty request. . On a warm note. Just before I succeeded, way back, running out of time, I did ask my Dad for the 5000 quid (ueah, really, 5000). He said he had the money but the answr was no. Rotter. Don't think he liked me. |
Dinamicq : Not gonna be sucked in on that one. Did my time in PPrune rehab Cell.
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Originally Posted by dynamicq
(Post 12009799)
Out of curiosity, what airline did the paid CV reading?
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Originally Posted by Gordomac
(Post 12009860)
Dinamicq : Not gonna be sucked in on that one. Did my time in PPrune rehab Cell.
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Cripes, time in the PPrune Rehab joint, accused of people having to listen to me every night in the pub ( i wish.Clear the joint immediately when I roll up in my old uniform shirts and ask the Ruski bar-maids " Did I ever tell you how I got into flying?') Oh, and ëvery"night (?)- Poor little old has-been Penshi here Dad-.............And, "harping"on.............. Dear Lord.
I see why there is little to recommend this career (sorry Flight School Owners) and Moms & Dads, Pleeeeze, don't even think of it, even though it is dumbed down where even Nav Plotting is, probably, multi choice. Der, Mac Kator, or Stereo Head,, I mean , stereo Graffik- . 25 grand for that with Junior telling you he/she will pay you back...............Really.............. ? Off to Aya Nappa for the Xmas fun. Kids there think Madj Genta is a pop group. |
Jesus
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Originally Posted by Gordomac
(Post 12010304)
Cripes, time in the PPrune Rehab joint, accused of people having to listen to me every night in the pub ( i wish. Clear the joint immediately when I roll up in my old uniform shirts and ask the Ruski bar-maids " Did I ever tell you how I got into flying?') Oh, and ëvery" night (?)- Poor little old has-been Penshi here Dad-.............And, "harping" on.............. Dear Lord.
. As a newly qualified and newly employed pilot, sometimes I feel not only like I live in a different universe but speak an entirely different language to some of the users on this forum. |
Let’s just agree that it isn’t the career it once was. However, there aren’t many occupations that potentially pay what flying does, (if you can get into a big company) for the outlay in time and money. Horses for courses.
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Originally Posted by FatPatsThong
(Post 12010379)
What on earth are you on about?
As a newly qualified and newly employed pilot, sometimes I feel not only like I live in a different universe but speak an entirely different language to some of the users on this forum. |
Originally Posted by Mr Good Cat
(Post 12006986)
You forgot 'wealthy parents'. :)
You don’t even need wealthy parents if you have the determination. Any healthy person with no responsibilities (kids, caring etc) living at home can save to become a pilot. (I know because I did it) Unfortunately social media and TV Shows with the orange bunch advertise it that only people with a leavers hoodie & £120k can do it The good thing for us that were determined is that the work required puts a lot of people off which means more jobs for the rest of us. |
I would just change the "anybody" with "some people".
It's hard when there's a threat of not getting employed and your 100k loan comes due and you're making 1000 euro per month because you didn't get a job in aviation. God forbid if there's a lengthy downturn for a few years then you're house buying money in the red with no house and no significant income. I'm saying this as someone who self financed as well. |
Originally Posted by kundun
(Post 12010911)
I would just change the "anybody" with "some people".
It's hard when there's a threat of not getting employed and your 100k loan comes due and you're making 1000 euro per month because you didn't get a job in aviation. God forbid if there's a lengthy downturn for a few years then you're house buying money in the red with no house and no significant income. I'm saying this as someone who self financed as well. If you take out a 100k loan then more fool you. It’s very easy to do with minimal debt.(In the UK anyway) I worked 3 jobs / 70-80hrs a week between 18-25, qualified with only £20k in debt and get my first pilot job until 3 years later which by that time I was debt free. After I qualified I worked an airline ops job for 6 months (not the company I ended up flying for) and we worked 4 on / 4 off shifts. A good few of younger members of the ops department were aspiring pilots and always commented on how they couldn’t afford to train. The horrified looks I got from them when I suggested maybe taking on a second job for 2-3 of their off days “oh I can’t do that after working 48 hours in 4 days” 😂 |
Originally Posted by FatPatsThong
(Post 12010379)
What on earth are you on about?
As a newly qualified and newly employed pilot, sometimes I feel not only like I live in a different universe but speak an entirely different language to some of the users on this forum. The job market is pretty good - my fear if I did it now is that there are so few airlines as opposed to 30 years ago , that if you screw up a couple of selections , you may have to think tangentially for the next set . As for hard work - yes , all the low cost out and backs are hard work . A lot of people go part time or into Long haul ( this for me has its own issues ), but for £100k a year plus , they’ll want their pound of flesh . |
Probs : Damn, it was good though. I'll close. Tempted to take this offering over to the "Nostalgia" section but can't be arsed to start a new thread.
One of the endless bunch of old boys, I recall driving back up to Oxford in my MG Midget after another week-end off at home in Brighton - pulled in for petrol just south of LHR, using my local Council Further Education Allowance)- alongside pulled up a MGB. Guy in one-stripe- uniform. pax seat occupied by big overnight case. As we eased ourselves back into driving seats, I leaned across and asked :"BOAC ?". "Of course" he replied and looked at my MG version asking "BEA guess !" I let him roar off before getting the chance to correctly inform that my Sponsor was BKS. Nuff said. Thanks for the more worthy advice given for me to steer the wannabees towards..I'll do that and wish them well. |
BKS - haven't heard of that airline name for years so I looked it up:
Key Facts
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A CPL ME/IR and MCC packaged beautifully into a frozen ATPL wrapper. And 25k for a type rating. That’s literally it and has been for years if not decades. |
Originally Posted by Gordomac
(Post 12011604)
Probs : Damn, it was good though. I'll close. Tempted to take this offering over to the "Nostalgia" section but can't be arsed to start a new thread.
One of the endless bunch of old boys, I recall driving back up to Oxford in my MG Midget after another week-end off at home in Brighton - pulled in for petrol just south of LHR, using my local Council Further Education Allowance)- alongside pulled up a MGB. Guy in one-stripe- uniform. pax seat occupied by big overnight case. As we eased ourselves back into driving seats, I leaned across and asked :"BOAC ?". "Of course" he replied and looked at my MG version asking "BEA guess !" I let him roar off before getting the chance to correctly inform that my Sponsor was BKS. Nuff said. Thanks for the more worthy advice given for me to steer the wannabees towards..I'll do that and wish them well. |
Virtually mandatory. I think the only way around getting an MCC is to have 500 hours multi crew experience.
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Elemeno ; Sorry to note that you have difficulty in understanding the enquiry posed in the opener. Look up " Terms"", "Conditions" in your native English dictionary..I thought it reasonable to seek responses that might help those asking questions of me.
I agree, instead of just blasting in, a quick review of other thread titles might have offered better options. Thankfully, on this thread, I still got what I was seeking from other more professional responses. Now, do have an irritated, quick to anger, humourless over-reactionary bash at Shaman for entertaining us with a quick history of BKS. ................................Cripes. did I ever tell you how I won a free PPL under National competition at Shoreham ?............................ ! OK, ok, Sharman,, lets get outa this place |
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