Well, having sat in the back a few times on both, even Ryanair clientele are a cut above jet 2s, who mostly are very much C,D and E's, often very new to flying, compared to Ryanair to whom it's like a bus to see friends and family. The notable thing to me was that whereas the fabulous Ryanair crew are very thick skinned and adept at defusing conflict, on two occasions the jet2 crew were incredibly and unnecessarily confrontational with clients who displeased them, one poor woman bawled at for having the temerity to dare to move the CCs bag in the locker!

Any significant pay rises expected this year in Ryanair DAC (UK) ?

Hi all,
I was wondering if anyone could supply information for someone starting as a cadet.

I'm particularly interested in a few things:
Timeline between successful interview and type rating, and between type rating and base training.
The sort of base I can expect with Irish passport and Irish license. I guess Dublin is out. Is it most likely to be the UK?
Actual upgrade times at the moment.

Current TRs being offered are end of July
Seemingly the BT is still happening a week or so after LST, but the wait between BT and LT remains 4-6 months. As far as a base, whilst a UK base seems logical, I’ve seen all sorts so prepare for anything.
also worth adding a group of TRs recently got delayed 8weeks part way through their course, no pay etc

4 to 6 months from base training to line training?! Is this down to the boeing delays or training capacity?

lack of LTC

A lack of trainers on the line, desperately short, and currently talk of a mass resignation of 50 trainers in Spain as well to compound the problem.

In the 2017 great pilot famine, sorry, rostering crisis, base training was the choke point in the pipeline. They have created a lot of base training capts and now also run the days from more airports, but all it did was push the bottle neck further down stream.

I have seen DE FO, rated on the 737, take 6 months in line training to do 40 sectors...

Thanks Singapore777 for the information. Concerning about the long gap between base and line training. Not just the delay and lack of salary, but also skill degradation. Though I am sure Ryanair is not the only airline facing issues.

I think type rated direct entries continue to get salary while they wait. Even so, a small number drift away to other jobs rather than wait.

The 100 or so Non Rated Flybe/Blue Islands P2s that came in over the last year took about 8 months to a year to get rated and checked. They were all on full SFO salary and rating paid for (bonded 12k reducing over three years) from day 1.

Cadets however are a very different story with renumeration until they are line checked. They then enter the CLA like everyone else.

Is the regulator OK with 4-6 months from base training to line training?
There must be some refresher in the simulator... right...? :uhoh:

Yes there is, expect several sim sessions to stay current before line training

Word is they’re going to halt training after the fixed base sim which for me was around the 2 months point. Then restart once they can plan all the way through to LCK1. Hopefully they’ll also not schedule line training as they have been which tends to be something like 2 days on, six days off instead of the the traditional 4/4. Often many more days pass between flights meaning you spend the first day getting back to where you were which is frustrating and wasteful. And when you do line check pray it’s winter and not so busy cos in summer expect to go to 90+ hours in 28 days and stay there. With extra beastings before and after leave. Which they will decide when you have. Big (UK) base flying is brutal and relentless, whereas small bases can more reasonable I believe.

Hi all,

I am a high time pilot, I am considering applying as direct entry captain, any specific advice? Like, is there a high demand at the moment, how does the propect looks?

I meet the minimum criteria (12000 hours including 4000 PIC on more than 30 tons). What I am looking for is stability. I am looking for a base in France, with a french contract. Can I negociate a specific base and contract (I understand there are several types of contracts)? If I am based say in Marseille, can I be sent someplace else to begin a roster, how does it work?

Thank you in advance,

You aboslutely can negoatiate a specific base. Met a lot of directs who did that. But then again, someone who wanted Lissabon didn't get it due to overcrew.
roster is 5/4 for everyone. Floaters( no fix base) get 5/5.

Regards

Thank you. So if I negociate a base I can’t normally be sent somewhere else?

Well of course you can. There is always a point like "for operational reasons", or they close down the base within a month. But the captains i know are happy.

Something to bear in mind is that if you don't get the base you want at the outset (and I doubt you would for France, not helped by Bordeaux closing) - then you will not get a transfer to it for many many years as a direct entry - because upgrading Captains join the transfer list above you. Best hope would be a new French base opening, although it's not the most tax/fees friendly location, which Ryanair are quick to react to in terms of deployment of based aircraft. I assume you're not rated, so your leverage to push for the base you want is limited, and even if you are, direct entries rarely, if ever, get into a base with a long waiting list.

That said, I enjoy going to work each day, the difference mainly being fabulous crews and all staff, who are fun, and natural team players. It's a company blissfully devoid of disingenuous company BS, crocodile smiles, and whinging. Everyone just calls a spade a spade, and just gets on with the job at hand.

Thank you both. So I applied, we’ll see how it goes…I had a 737 TR but expired (but less than 3 years)

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What a load of BS, I've read some ****e in my time and this is right up at the top. What you meant to say was cabin crew who hardly speak to the flight deck and some flight deck first officers who are so busy on their phones they cant verbally communicate, So damn busy on their phones they still do it on line checks!! and fail.