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Madp1lot 10th February 2024 17:31

Any DEC/EU opening up any time soon?
 
Hi everyone.

Any rumours about DEC openings for easyJet Europe anytime soon?
I keep hearing and reading that EZ is short on pilots for summer24, so wondering how that omelet's cooking, and how many eggs will be needed.

Happy landings.

R T Jones 10th February 2024 18:08

It seems there are always new command opportunities in Spain and Portugal, especially the bases that are summer only. I would say as close to zero chance in France and Italy, Germany and Netherlands I would also say was unlikely.

We are told internally that recruitment is complete for summer 24 and attrition is on plan....

dirk85 10th February 2024 19:03


Originally Posted by Madp1lot (Post 11594436)
Hi everyone.

Any rumours about DEC openings for easyJet Europe anytime soon?
I keep hearing and reading that EZ is short on pilots for summer24, so wondering how that omelet's cooking, and how many eggs will be needed.

Happy landings.

Not very likely to open for DEC, if anything just in small numbers in Spain and Portugal. About 200 upgrades per year, and very little to no attrition on the LHS in Europe.

dlcmdrx 10th February 2024 21:15


Originally Posted by Lepo (Post 11450270)
The problem of self sponsored type rating as the "best" possibility for a first job was a monster created by pilots who wanted to fast track to an airline job without going through the "hassle" of hour building. Some airlines wisely realized people were willing to pay for this and started offering this program and freed themselves the responsibility of financing training for their own pilots, which is the rule in most places worldwide.

Now this monster is too big and no one knows how to defeat it, as you can see from posts above. Those who decide to follow the traditional career path of hour building flying small airplanes and/or regional airlines get behind financially compared to those who pay for a type rating right out of flight school and start flying a B737/A320 as their first job.

I honestly don't know how this can be solved since saying "don't pay for it" does not work. People are willing to pay for it. Only a change in regulations would force airlines to pay for the training of their own pilots.

mmm how about imposing a similar rule to the us 1500 hr rule?

thanks to that rule us pilots not only have better pay but much better rosters and a lot more of days off

Mr Good Cat 11th February 2024 10:48


Originally Posted by dlcmdrx (Post 11594518)
mmm how about imposing a similar rule to the us 1500 hr rule?

thanks to that rule us pilots not only have better pay but much better rosters and a lot more of days off

Naughty :=:E

Only problem with that is that there is almost no way in the UK or EU to get 1500 hrs, as there are very few non-airline openings. Plus, in this part of the world a 1500 hr SEP pilot historically hasn't usually been any better a pilot than a 180 hr cadet! It's about training standards not just hours.

de fumo in flammam 11th February 2024 11:04


Originally Posted by Mr Good Cat (Post 11594783)
Naughty :=:E
Plus, in this part of the world a 1500 hr SEP pilot historically hasn't usually been any better a pilot than a 180 hr cadet! It's about training standards not just hours.

That's not my experience, certainly in terms of handling skills and operating spare mental capacity ... and it does seem that more and more serious incidents are of the that variety eg, low speed events, major deviations from profile, prangs and excursions.
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PPRuNe user 103842 11th February 2024 13:13


Originally Posted by R T Jones (Post 11594455)

We are told internally that recruitment is complete for summer 24 and attrition is on plan....

That’s what we get told every year…..

​​​​​…..when reality shows up it rarely indicates they get it right

R T Jones 11th February 2024 15:08

Oh I know… it was very much said with a hint of sarcasm!

Pilotman14 26th June 2024 16:17

Hi all,
I've recently applied to the Easyjet NTR 2025 - (UK). Does anyone know the average time for response?

Cheers

A320LGW 26th June 2024 17:18

Who, with the required experience, is signing up to pay 30k for a type rating with this company? If you've got the required experience, there is a list of companies that would hire you without having to pay. Who is it attracting exactly?

The salary as an FO is quite poor compared to competitors, that's without the "bond" deduction payments. Very bizarre ..

monkey.tennis 26th June 2024 20:11


Originally Posted by A320LGW (Post 11684784)
Who, with the required experience, is signing up to pay 30k for a type rating with this company? If you've got the required experience, there is a list of companies that would hire you without having to pay. Who is it attracting exactly?

The salary as an FO is quite poor compared to competitors, that's without the "bond" deduction payments. Very bizarre ..

point of order. The type rating is £22k.

“Type Rating runs for approximately 6-8 weeks and is a self-funded cost of approximately £22,000, or bonded 36-month salary deduction of £611 per month (the exact cost will be confirmed at point of offer).”

A320LGW 27th June 2024 18:48


Originally Posted by monkey.tennis (Post 11684854)
point of order. The type rating is £22k.

“Type Rating runs for approximately 6-8 weeks and is a self-funded cost of approximately £22,000, or bonded 36-month salary deduction of £611 per month (the exact cost will be confirmed at point of offer).”

"Approximately" is the key word there.

Guys who have passed and been offered the course reported a quotation of over 30k in fact, more around 35k. Even more insane.

PENKO 27th June 2024 19:58


Originally Posted by Boeingdriver999 (Post 11456512)
My mates who remain have mostly passed the threshold of moving and now have the golden handcuffs so to speak. Are they happy? Absolutely. As happy as a pilot can be who’s never experienced a world outside of easyJet.

This comment is interesting. So your mates who remained in easyJet are happy. Their golden handcuffs fit them quite well. They chose to stay when you had reason to leave. So may I ask what you base that last comment on? On what basis are you second-guessing their happiness?

Say I’m wearing those golden handcuffs in my preferred home base, home every night just like I wanted etc. What then specifically am I missing not knowing ‘a world outside of easyJet’? Please give me some specifics.

sudden twang 28th June 2024 09:52

40 years of day trips isn’t for me but each to their own.


Denti 28th June 2024 10:46

It is different for different people. And yes, i have done most of my life outside of the low cost world. Still, there is something to be said about having half a year off free time on a full time contract, taking home around 10k a month and just flying 500 to 600 hours. And yes, being home every night, having a chance at a meaningful private life outside of the job. And that at ripe old age of 25.

Scorpape 28th June 2024 13:10


Originally Posted by Denti (Post 11685915)
It is different for different people. And yes, i have done most of my life outside of the low cost world. Still, there is something to be said about having half a year off free time on a full time contract, taking home around 10k a month and just flying 500 to 600 hours. And yes, being home every night, having a chance at a meaningful private life outside of the job. And that at ripe old age of 25.

If your base is the place you call "home", what you described is really winning the game imo, props to you !
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PENKO 28th June 2024 17:02

Denti, a few continental bases are actually not that far off of what you describe. Arguably even better! A great deal for the locals and those who choose to relocate permanently. So yes, there are some good deals around, but we are well aware if that, some just a base change away.

sudden twang 29th June 2024 12:29

Well 6 months on and 6 months off is nice but 10k per month isn’t really enough is it?
And your 6 months on 5-600 hours LCC short haul is going to hurt.

dirk85 29th June 2024 14:08

Continental europe base, in 7 years I have never flown more than 630 hours. Money more than adequate (more than the 10k mentioned) and 180+ days at home per year, full time, between off, lve and unused sby. I decided to live where I am based and never looked back. Life is pretty awesome, and i don’t see a single reason to change.
A lot depends on your tax situation, but enough deals in europe to pay very reasonable amount of taxes for a long time, if you do your research.

Count of Monte Bisto 30th June 2024 05:05

Just for info, under the latest pay deal for easyJet pilots in the UK, there is a 17% increase in all pay dating back to Apr 2024. It is a 3-year deal with next Apr getting RPI + 2% and the subsequent Apr getting RPI + 1%. It means that the total package for a 10-year captain will end up around £200k. It is not exactly the stuff of poverty, but listening to some of our captains you could have been forgiven for believing we had just been robbed at gunpoint.

It means the basic salary for a UK captain from Apr 24 is £137,513 with the company paying a further 7% into your pension (£9,625). All the rest is made up Sector Pay (around £40/sector and flying approx 460 sectors a year - £18,400) and loyalty pay of 15% after 10 years’ service (£20.627 taxable), paid annually in a lump sum. Not included is the occasional 5% profit-related bonus (which looks likely this year). Also they throw £3,000 worth of easyJet shares at you most years (not during Covid surprisingly enough).


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