I think the people who'll bang on the most about the uselessness of trying to do it "the right way" are those that initially tried to but got bitten very badly.

I include myself on that list, I went for a fully funded first job with a regional op that was less than financially stable (but appeared to be due to the 2019 travel boom). I'd barely started when Covid quickly saw to it that I would be unemployed for the following 3 yrs and my company would cease to exist. Seems Aiming is another victim of "doing it the right way"..

Where did I end up after it all? Back at square 1 on a cadet course with colleagues who were nowhere near even starting their ATPL course at the time I graduated from mine.

My original ATPL colleagues who went the route I have now gone but did it right after we graduated are currently filling in applications for Emirates and Etihad. Meanwhile I'm playing catchup... the few hrs I did build at the defunct airline aren't even worth it from an employment perspective for those jobs so I'm restarting from scratch.

As a side note, is it not true that paid type ratings have been around for a very long time? .. i understand people paid BMI in the 80s for their first type rating, a few of whom now occupy a LHS at BA?

It’s a sad state of the industry, I’m much further on than yourself and was lucky enough to get onto a sponsored scheme years ago but to be honest being a pilot I don’t feel like I have viable career going forward or a ‘real’ job compared to people in other industries, you are constantly walking a tightrope with very few options should you fall off. The job is good for the ‘gram though.

No idea what you’re referring to, but all I see is you posting ill-informed dross all over this forum.

Please do not present yourself as some sort of elder statesman or bastion of knowledge, when you’re only just into the RHS of a 737

TR Costs
 

I applied but ticked the box (disagree with paying for TR £22k upfront costs). They accepted the application and put me through to the psychometric tests. I passed them and then receive a mail..asking if I was willing to pay for the TR. I reiterated “NO”. That’s the end of that then.

DO NOT PAY TO FLY!!

You're digging your own grave. It's 22K. Money you will lose anyway chasing a Turboprop or worse Air Taxi job.

Reapply and put your assigned gender down as female and you will be accepted.

Do you think I’m joking? Try it and come back on here.

Seriously? Don’t make assumptions. I already have a job that has around the same basic as Easy. I’d just like to get into an airline and be UK based and am not willing to pay for a TR.

So, you’re saying that I won’t have to pay for TR if I’m female?

Try a few rereads of what I posted and then maybe engage the brain for a few moments.

Well, aren’t you sweetness and light! Why so bitter?

My brain is perfectly engaged thanks. Why not go mad and just explain what you’re getting at???

Hope you didn’t pay for any of your training at any point from hour zero or you’d be looking a tad hypocritical at this point.

Yeah. The moral high-ground suggests not paying for any of your training or type ratings.

And you would be right - in an ethical context.

But the World has changed. There are low cost airlines now, and even the old guard, legacy airline passengers are saying "hang on......why are we paying £259 when we could pay £59 to another airline to fly to the same city? (Let's face it; some of the LOCOs do a much better and more efficient job than some of the legacy folks. Not saying it's right, but they do) ......The genie is out of the bottle and cannot be put back in.

So......do the maths. OK, it might take up to £125k to get into the RHS of a B737 or A320 in an airline, but how long would it take to repay that from an airline pilot employment position, versus flying around in a C172 or a C406 for years and years and hoping to land an airline job with a CPL?

I don't agree with it either - and, as a very experienced and type rated pilot, I rejected easyJet's "offer" of a non UK base and paying them £8,000 to revalidate my lapsed Airbus A320 rating; but if you are a cadet with no experience, it is the way of the World - think of the hundreds of thousands of university students, having to pay for their own degree courses.
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Ah kendrick, it's great to hear from you as always. I'm flattered you thought I sounded like an elder statesman.
I am curious that you equate new to a 737 as meaning someone doesn't have equal right to the forum? Is that how you view people new to a type? If you're "only just into the RHS of a 737" FO told you you're about to fly into a mountain .. would you dismiss their call on that basis? A very worrying statement from a (I presume) commercial pilot.

It's also a bizarre thing to say due to the fact someone new to the job is arguably THE person to ask because they've just been through the whole system! If I was looking for training advice, I wouldn't be asking a captain nearing retirement, I'd be asking an FO who recently got employed ... that is the most relevant and up to date experience. You've got it back to front my friend.

oh and beware equating new pilot to new to aviation :ok:

This is hugely different to the reply you posted (and deleted) two days ago.
Did it really take you that long to formulate a more appropriate response?

You’ve been called out before on different threads by moderators when you claimed your posts had been deleted… turns out you have/had edited/deleted 20+ of your own posts. Perhaps a little bit more self moderation might be beneficial before you ‘educate’ others on aviation, regulation or, failing recruitment processes 😉

As for you as a new pilot and new to aviation… I’m well aware of the CV of FOs from Flybe moving to Ryanair.

Small world and all that. Happy landings!

Could you two get a room and sort it out in private? Neither of you are winning.

Yes I realised your level of hatred and existence shouldn't go unchecked so I left it until I had time to respond properly. Some of us have lives you know?

What says it all about you is that in the last 3 days I've received 2 PMs from other posters claiming they have reported you to the mods in the past and that you are a largely an unsavoury character on here.

That seems to be a role you enjoy?

I've got just shy of 10 yrs in aviation working from airline ops to ATPL instructor and have a bsc and masters degree in an aviation degree. You can wind your neck in if you think I am new to aviation.

The best bit about your post though is your affirmation that you "are well are of the CV ...", when you haven't an iota of a clue about what's on my CV, neither did I ever work for Flybe. What a way to make a fool of oneself :yuk:

So commercial pilot and making gigantically false presumptions. Combining that with the views you express to new people and I'm genuinely not so sure about the role you fulfill.

All the best :ok:

My apologies for mixing up previous turbo prop operators.

All the best for your next application to BA 😊

This lovers tiff is so sweet…

😂😂

I guess you pull the hair of the one you want the most 🤷🏼‍♂️

I reckon your married to each other.